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Miss Belvedere: The World's Most Disappointing Time Capsule
Imagine a brand-new Plymouth Belvedere, buried in 1957 as a symbol of hope and progress, waiting 50 years to be unearthed-only to emerge as a rusted relic of shattered dreams.
Meet Miss Belvedere, Tulsa's most infamous time capsule, a car-turned-monument to the unpredictable toll of time. This video dives into the fascinating story of the car, the competition that surrounded it, and its ultimate fate as a bittersweet piece of automotive history. From anticipation to restoration and its final resting place, discover the story of Miss Belvedere and the lesson she left behind.
Meet Miss Belvedere, Tulsa's most infamous time capsule, a car-turned-monument to the unpredictable toll of time. This video dives into the fascinating story of the car, the competition that surrounded it, and its ultimate fate as a bittersweet piece of automotive history. From anticipation to restoration and its final resting place, discover the story of Miss Belvedere and the lesson she left behind.
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Was the Corvair Really Unsafe at Any Speed?
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Was the Corvair Really Unsafe at Any Speed?
Take a Ride in My Nova!
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This is my Nova. I've had it for well over 25 years now. While it's no Crusher Camaro, it is on it's 3'rd engine with me. It's a lot of fun. #nova #novas #classiccars #musclecar #chevelle #automobile
Goodbye Camaro: (Facts and Highlights of a Life Well Lived)
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We're saying goodbye to the Camaro by taking a look at some of the more obscure facts and trivia that you may or may not know about the car. Thanks for watching! #camaro #classiccars #musclecar
Chevy Nova: GM's Best Small Car
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The history of the Chevy Nova. From it's humble beginnings as the Chevy II, Nova survived and even thrived for 17 model years. The first generation (1962-1965) Nova was a compact car made to compete with the Ford Falcon, and copied (and improved on) its design in a lot of ways. The second generation (1966-1967) saw the Nova stay true to it's original design philosophy. It got a more elegant loo...
Well intentioned Nader thought regulatory agencies would help. His elections attorney said no because of agency capture. Through revolving doors, friends and family favors and campaign assistance that lawyer is was correct. He is co-council with several RFK Jr. lawsuits.
Fox Chevrolet in Baltimore added an anti freeze charge to the sticker price of its Corvairs. My dad asked why and staff said it was added to all cars. He bought a Falcon instead.
I’m probably the only guy that liked the 4 door nova just as much if not more. Still the same car but a lot cheaper. Not sure on that today since I haven’t looked for one in quite a while
If you added weight to the front they handled great
I think it was Duntov who said that the Corvair "had just enough lift to be a bad airplane". But it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Nader said. It didn't matter much in the end, the Corvair had about run it's course anyway.
I owned several Corvairs, and loved them. VW, Porsche good; Corvair bad? Chevy should have sued Nader and made him a laughing stock.
Easily engineering corrections would have fixed issues. Nader was a hack who had never touched grass.
Having read 'Unsafe at Any Speed,' I see Nader's biggest gripe was GM was aware of the problems with the Corvair, and what to do about them, but didn't fix them before they let the car go into production and offered it for sale. In other words, he accused the giant automaker of negligence. It was similar to the DC-10. McDonnell-Douglas was aware of the problems with the DC-10's rear cargo door, but did nothing to fix them before the plane went into production. Nader admitted the '64 and '65 models were vast improvements over the early Corvairs.
Nope! Just Nader making a name for himself like Michael Moore and his quest against GM. Same old commies...we thought we were done with them, nope!
Sitting across the table at a monthly Atlanta Region SCCA meeting from the original official starter of the Sebring 12-Hour race, he told me GM paid Porsche $70M to let its engineers work there to learn about the workings of the 356 and the use of parents Porsche held. Both Porsche and Corvair went to fully independent rear suspension in 1964 for 1965 models. If you knew how to drive swing axle cars you were unlikely to have problems. I never had problems with either my ‘60 356B Roadster or my ‘64 SC coupe but two years before wrecked my father’s Karmann Ghia after backing off in a curve.
Painfully absent from this Nova historical overview is the fact that the Chevy Nova was offered to police, sheriff and other departments as a police package vehicle. Upon the newly redesigned Nova in 1975, the Nova "9C1" police interceptor was introduced. Following the oil embargo of the early 70's, police departments sought to reduce fuel and maintenance costs associated with their vehicle fleets. The Nova 9C1 Police Car was offered through 1978 and sold 13,800 units during the four year stretch. GM pulled from their Z28 parts bin to design the Nova 9C1, with such features as F41 suspension, heavy duty transmission, 350 ci small block V8 engine, 120 mph speedometer, Rochester quadrajet 4 bbl carburetor, heavy duty shocks, rear positraction, front and rear stabilizer bars, and many other heavy duty features. GM was very proud of the success of the Nova 9C1 program. Today, less than 30 Nova 9C1's are known to have survived. I run the "Nova 9C1 Police Cars" group on FB, come join and learn more about this iconic police car.
In 1967 my mom was driving one home from Houston and a tire blew she rolled it 3 times nearly killing us all. I was in the floor ( the safest place) and received the worst injuries
In 1962, a family friend was killed in an accident while driving a Corvair. His brother and parents were also in the car, but they received only minor injuries. As the driver, he was impaled by the non-collapsible steering column, the far end of which extended further forward than any other structural part of the car except the front bumper. Thus, when the car impacted the other vehicle, the steering column had nowhere to go but into his chest.
A friend was working on one and we went for a test drive. Going a bit fast down a neighborhood street a kid on a bicycle pulled in front of us, I thought we might run him over but my friend did a maneuver that would have been tough to do in a Corvette. We kept cruising down the street.
My stepfather fell asleep at the wheel of a Corvair in 1968 hitting a telephone pole totaled the car broke both legs had pins put in, spent nearly 6 months in the hospital.
I think Ralph was on speed.
I down shifted, going up a hill and the motor fell out . motor mounts broke .
Yes it needed to stopped from production
No. In fact it made a dandy slalom racer.
Yenko had converted 125 1966 Corvairs for racing. All were top performers. They were called "Sprinters."
*No ... **_but the_** VEGA **_was unsafe when parked._*
The steering column was an issue, one piece would not telescope or fold in a head on. At significantly lower speeds than other cars it would crush the driver, because also from the light build of the front of the car.
We had a '61 Corvair that we drove for years. My Dad cut down a Volkswagen van down to just it's A-Frame and built a buggy that looked much like the Volkswagen Thing with angle iron and aluminum sheet metal body and powered it with a Corvair engine. That Buggy was totally unsafe with no seatbelts or roll bar but it would climb better than any other buggy up slopes that were nearly vertical. Even in the 1970s, the Corvair was considered a collector's items and my Dad sold our Corvair for about $5000 in 1975.
I learned to drive in a 61 Corvair. Later, I Lost control in a turn and went sideways with my friends in the car. We were lucky nothing else happened.
Actually it is Ralph Nader who is unwanted at any speed.
it had the same suspension that the VW bug did
No it wasn’t.
Drove a Monza. Can’t remember the year. One of the nicest driving cars out there. ( if you knew how to drive)
The VW was far worse but Nader had a ploitical base that drove VW's. I had a VW roll over whem I made a quick avoidance maneuver on the freeway. I later found out that the rear axle would raise up and lever over the car. It was a commen problem.
It needed a sway bar and strength of rear end. To prevent wheels buckling under. The VW was the same. But for some reason the VW was spared.
In the mid-60s I was in a car following a Corvair on a major divided arterial highway when it(the Corvair) suffered a rear tire failure. It swerved onto the shoulder and onto its side. We and others stopped and got the passengers (a mother and two kids as I recall) out the doors - they are heavy when opening vertically. A bunch of us then pushed the car back onto its wheels and changed the tire. After reviewing the event with a police officer who came by during the recovery, we all proceeded on our way - including the Corvair. Cars were tougher back then.
This was bunk! I had friends who drove Corsair’s…
its amazing i road in one several times and im still alive, much like global warming.
Is there supposed to be a video with this audio? Cuz I've got nothing but a blank screen
The Corvair was not particularly unsafe, especially compared to the VW Beetle that had a worse front-rear weight ratio for the SAME reason - or the many Porsche models that were also rear-engine like the 911. Nader just wanted to make a name for himself, and ONE specific type of Corvair had some issues he took exception with and went OVERBOARD about. His book was about as full of "facts" as the famed "Pintos are very dangerous in a rear end crash (which applied EQUALLY to all small cars due to lack of space for the gastank anywhere BUT the rear" or the famed "dangerous saddle side tanks" garbage that was later shown to have used ROCKET ENGINES (small ones, Estes-type) to ignite the tank in the video.
Tragic ending of innovative idea. Victim of radical ideology. People should have known that automobile is a product of gradual evolution not rocket science. It could have been American Porsche and could have incentived many new ideas. Too sad.😢
I didn't think so. I had 2 of them and would like to have another.
Owned a 62 and really liked it, but when the rear shocks wore out it would do a 180 in a heartbeat.
The first Corvairs were just an all around bad car. It was marketed like it was going to be the American Porsche, because of the rear engine layout but it was actually more like an American beetle, but worse. It wasn't a bad idea just terrible engineering and execution.
The first generation corsair weren't safe, however the next generation, we're perfectly safe.
My '63 Corvair was superb, best handling small car I ever drove.
Ralph Nader was a fear mongerer. He had no real experience with the majority of things he ranted and raved about.
Ralph Nader was the speaker at my college graduation. Talk about boring? He droned on and on. After waking up for third time I got up a walked out. I picked up my diploma a week later.
The big mistake GM made was sending private detectives after Nader to find some personal scandal that could be used to discredit him instead of directly answering his criticisms. It backfired, and ended with GM paying Nader $425,000 in an invasion-of-privacy lawsuit, the company president making a humiliating public apology to a Senate committee, and the auto industry in general getting a black eye from the media. People forget Nader also lambasted the Volkswagen as a rolling death-trap in his book. Volkswagen chose to ignore him and suffered no reputation or sales problems. Would the same strategy have worked for GM I wonder?
Maybe Nader was funded by Ford or another company.
Had a 1964 Corvair Monza. Put 99,000 miles on it. Only problem was I had a push rod punch a hole in the rocker arm one time. Ran like a top the whole time we had it.
My parents bought a new '63 4dr and we drove it on a tour of the southeast US. Down from OK to TX then across the southern US. Then up to DC then west across through TN and KY to MO. Up through MO to St. Louis, visiting family. From St. Louis west through Springfield to Joplin and back into OK. Drove like a dream and never missed a lick. Handled well even in the Appalachias according to my dad. Nadar based a lot of his opinion (flawed) of the Corvair on test films produced by Ford. A frame by frame analysis of the film some years later found that the driver for Ford was deliberately overdriving the Corvair to cause many of the handling problems seen in the film. Ford made a marketing film to show to it's dealers. They had no interest in producing a fair and honest film about the Corvair. Nadar was a biased writer who's only interest was in writing a book that would make him money. He started out with an flawed opinion and selected only those "facts" that supported his beliefs. A total hatchet job. The man was not an automotive engineer and was not qualified to render an opinion on the car. Not to say the Corvair was flawless, far from it. But no American car made in that time period was. Nothing made is idiot-proof. The best tech made can be screwed up by an idiot. As the saying goes: God must love idiots, he makes so many of them. Everytime something is made better, they come out with a better idiot to screw it up.
An attention get scam by Nader. The VW was more dangerous.
I had my father's old (3 years then was old) '65 Corvair Corsa when I was in college. By far the best car I ever had. Most of what was complained about was the same in most cars then, and by '65 had been fixed in Corvairs. As for weight distribution, it was great in the snow! And my brother's Mustang had the opposite problem, all the weight up front, he had to put cement blocks in the truck for the winter. I still miss my Corsa!
I owned one and loved it?
When the SCHLITZ beer is the best thing in the reveal, you know it’s bad.
Schlitz was a lot better than Schmitz, that was cow piss!