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He's just heavy on the fore, and doesn't collect and bring his hind end under to use as the motor. If he stays there longer, and he learns to collect and drive correctly up under himself, that lope will smooth out. If the trainer where you're at cannot address that, maybe try another. Horses are built different and do ride differently, but until he's taught how to use his motor and to get lighter on his front end - don't make any decisions. If you compete now you're going to be amateur for a while. Brutal honesty here - I have a horse that I bought as a weanling and was 35K - he's 4 now and worth way more than that. He is bred for performance and has an amazing quiet mind, is good looking, etc. He is not a trail horse because he wears sliders and we cannot risk an injury at all. I pay a lot for training. I pay A LOT for shows. I pay a lot to keep this athlete competitive without pushing his body or mind being blown. You can enjoy your horse as a trail horse at a walk trot horse. You can even show him in ranch classes that are walk trot only, ranch tail, halter, etc. You can put money into a new horse and more money into that horse, or keep him and put money into him to see what happens in 6 months with both of you. Worse case, he isn't what you need or want, he is more trained, and can sell for more. But if you don't want to get more attached or just want to start with a new horse - by all means, do what makes you happy. Don't be swayed into thinking triggers need to be pulled now.

Are you sure he does not have shivers? I have not followed you for long so you may have covered this already.

What you should look for is a aqha gelding that was shown by someone who is selling due to heading off to college.You need a horse that’s done showmanship ,western pleasure,trail or even some english if you wanted to go that route as well.Performance horses are not what you need as u have so much to learn. I watched u on the grey horse in ur lesson video and that horse was not loping but shuffling in front and trotting in back and ur trainer allowed that so sad .And while on Black Jack you were in the wrong lead second direction.Look around ur area for a western show barn and see what’s around,if you cant find any trainers I will be glad to send u in the right direction as I know a ton of aqha judges and trainers as u need a packer and they aren’t hard to find.

If I were you, I would totally wait getting another horse till you retire. Spend those years educating yourself on horses and getting better at riding. Once you have a better understanding and knowledge of horsemanship, caring for horses, their health etc., you are better equipped for choosing the right horse. Until then, get to know different types of horses; don't just ride one, ride a LOT of various types and try out many different riding styles. 🙂 I wish you all the best with your and Black Jack's future.

Yep it looks like he has a dent in his right pin bone area and not on his left

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If horsemanship is your goal, Black Jack is perfect. Competition is about competing. So plan on spending 6 figures for a horse and training. It takes decades of learning to truly understand the horse and good trainers who know how to train a novice. Horses have taught me more from the ground than the saddle. Stay focused on the basics.

Ive just looked on Horse plus website to see what is ready for adoption and there is at least 2 horses that would be great…….esp with the trainers you have supporting you. 1 x ‘Barney’ a 3yr old quarter horse is just right to bring on with help. The other one is a 9 yr old mustang that looks lovely and again ready to go forward with the correct help

It’s great that you can accept Black Jack with the limitations he has, and still see his qualities and worth, even as a secondary horse. You are to be commended for that. For your new horse, I would proceed with caution because life in retirement is very costly, you don’t know how much so until you are there. I should write a survival manual. What I am saying is proceed with caution financially on your next horse. Don’t focus on blood lines, registration papers, and competition. I think it will drain you financially rapidly. You can enjoy these sports without doing these sports. Especially if they go on at your barn. These are just some of my thoughts from hard lessons learned from having show dogs in my retirement years. And although it’s great you are keeping Black Jack, remember he will be a big cost factor going forward as long as you own him.

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Your trainer sounds realistic and its refreshing. You said I think Black Jack failed his exam on his hocks/ back end aswell?? did he get treatment for them? Hock arthritis is so common and some arthamid gel in the joint, osphos or steroid can help make them more comfortable. I agree he is in pain and should only do the most gentle work if not getting further treatment. His reticence to move is really telling. A bute trial might show if he is sore as he may liven up some if given for a few weeks, its inexpensive and can be added to the feed. Its obvious you are a planner but horses make planning anything very hard as you've found! I definately think a cheap older horse could do exactly what you want from a rescue or a lease option. I would avoid the whole competition scene until you really get comfortable in the saddle. Riding the trails is the most natural comfortable thing and might be all you want to do. With treatment Black Jack could possibly be fine for that job. If he improves in himself he may naturally get fitter and the canter will be fine on the trails up gentle slopes, best place to practice. If you have physical issues too you might bump along together just fine. Its hard when at a performance place to look at the holistic picture, performance horses are produced and trained like factory farming, longevity and their longterm soundness is not the priority. If you want a friend to bimble along on the trails twice a week and go exploring you dont need to spend big money.

Thanks for doing right by BlackJack! Maybe consider leasing a horse-- for performance or just in general, that way if it turns out performance it's not your thing, no harm done (or big money lost). I also think you might concentrate on increasing your general riding skills (that's where I'm at), and see where that takes you. My horse plans have changed over the last year, they really can change the more you're exposed to. My (very limited) childhood exposure was mostly Western--just doing trails, but as an adult I found I enjoyed trying to improve my seat and connection to the horse, and am riding English. Low-key dressage (but no interest in showing), and then back to trail riding (in English gear) and other English pleasure activities. Just give yourself grace, and remember: patience is a virtue! 💞

I am so happy that Black Jack found you because you are so compassionate and want what is best for him. He is a lucky guy.

I really commend you on all of the hard work that you have put into Blackjack and that you are still going to keep him. I really cross fingers that the next horse you buy is going to be the right horse to give you the confidence you need to grow as a rider.

Check out BUCKEYE ACRE FARM... apparently they are honest and always have well trained horses.. traveling to find your next horse to get one that is perfect in your eyes..why not?

imo, some of the grade horses end up being the best horses, mindset is less 'on' for performance and they just don't make QH's like they use to - since the late 80's the QH lost all hoof & personality - again, only my opinion. Competition can be tough at the higher level but local fun shows are always a blast, if there are any around by you. Blessings always & so happy BlackJack found his forever part-retirement home.

…horse plus have got some great prospects getting ready for adoption - many are younger horses that have not really been started and because you seem to have a great network with you - you could have a great project that together could be brought on exactly for what you want to acheive ….

PLEASE DO NOT GET DIS HEARTENED. IF YOU HAVE A SPARE ROOM WILL POP ACROSS SPRING, NO CHARGE FOR EQUINE HELP. THE ONE USA PERSON I WOULD POSSIBLY TRUST,,,,,, I Say possibly trust WOULD BE clever cow girl. DO NOT THINK SHE HAS anything you want, but she knows lots of people. Who are not going to charge you a ton of silly prices. Quiet sensible, with love and fun, AND NOT COMPLICATED, AND SAFE, MOST OF ALL SAFE, AND please please STOP SAYING UR NOT CAPABLE NOVICE ETC. IM AROUND SPRING, YOU have more knowlege, are more caring and your riding ok xx last time i got on a horse, was on backwords, asked for a mirror to see where i was going,,, joking lol xx i will always make you laugh, as you are adorable with horses. Huggs to BLACK JACK XX

Yey !!! How exciting!!! I’m so so glad with the help of your trainers that you came to the conclusion that your just not really moving forward and frankly I don’t think you enjoy him really that much. Walking him around and watching him in the Walker wouldn’t be any fun to me but if that’s what you like but I think you’d rather be riding ? And yes, 10k isn’t a bad price and it’s what I’m looking to spend. No more. And probably no less. It’s a lot but I want something good. Best of luck ! I’m so happy for you !

Lope is canter, canter is lope. 👌 3 beat gait. I'd say that a Western "lope" is slower & flatter (less suspension) than an English "canter", but it should be a 3 beat gait. Something you can do off saddle is equestrian fitness exercises to build up your muscles, plus work on balance off saddle. Can sit on one of those yoga balls. There are UA-cam channels that have examples, plus books. It's hard to get enough saddle time to build up the necessary seat muscles. Work on your core, hip adductors, and balance off saddle will benefit you when you get riding lesson time. -- If you can be lead around on BlackJack then you can do some additional practice on building up your seat. It's confidence building to know you are more in physical control of yourself, then you are more able to focus on control of the horse. Good seat will give you calm hands too, which a horse will appreciate (not hanging on reins etc). -- You might consider a gaited breed if you want some forward movement that is also smooth. Western Pleasure trained horses can lope at a snail's pace too, if that is your interest. I don't see anything wrong with his cantering. - It's not the horse that is the problem, btw. It's your seat! Work on your riding seat & the horse's canter will be fine.

I agree that keeping blackjack in work is in his best interest. If his canter is unpleasant then don’t do it. Another possibility you should consider is leasing a horse. Get out and ride as much as you possibly can and build your skills before making a major investment.

Am not criticizing but why would you not allow Black Jack in the pasture just because it was wet and muddy?

You are getting way too far ahead of yourself . Spinning a horse is not riding . Learning to ride English will give you the grounding of how to ride a horse properly ,and from there you can choose what ever discipline / direction you want to go in . Buying another horse sounds good , Just retire BJ . i think he deserves to just become a paddock ornament with very light riding to keep him physically and mentally fit, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that . The Q is can you afford to keep two horses ?. Perhaps leasing another horse for six months maybe an option before you consider actually buying another horse . People forget that buying a horse is the least of the expenses .It is the expenses that come after with buying/owning a horse . And getting a horse that is suited to the level of riding that you are at right now . Too many people get a horse way beyond their capability of their riding ability .

Take your time. Secondly do you want to lope? If you decide to show, try small open show. I'm a senior rider and ridden all my life as well as showing. I found I enjoyed the small open shows as well as trail riding. But most of a horse you have a connection with. That's puts a smile on your face and feel safe on. I think your budget allows that. You might find a less expensive horse that fits what you want. My 2 cents worth

Why don't you lease a horse to learn the basics . You need lots of groundwork, girl! And loose some weight to help your balance!

Stay away from auctions unless you go see the horse and ride before you start bidding. DO NOT rely on a video. Professional trainers can make the crappiest horse look good, not to mention tricky editing. Find a trainer you can trust to find horses for you to go look at. They charge about 10% the cost of the purchased horse. Don't forget a comprehensive prepurchase exam, including a drug screen. Good luck.

I quit this channel ,too depressing to watch

That trainer is making money off of you that’s why she answered in that way , use your own common sense , that horse is not for you , so unfair to the horse , u hated to canter .?come on now

Since when in the history off horses that a horse can’t be out in the rain. I watch numerous utube horse channels that do not have barns , why is that horse inside a stall , sell the horse he is too much of a horse for you , please accept that and buy yourself an old gentle horse

Some of the largest classes are walk jog classes. Yo can do pleasure, trail and horsemanship. Take your time finding another horse and be sure what direction you want to go in. Go to a few AQHA SHOWS SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA of what each class does. I to got a horse just to ride, but then decided I wanted to show. We show walk jog and it’s fun

Do get a registered horse. Save some money to get a good horse. Decide if you want western pleasure or a ranch type horse. Can you keep this horse in training? Blackjack looks lik3 he hits the ground hard and he also looks like he does not pick his back up which causes a rough ride at a lope.

If I were in your place I’d let Black Jack be your teacher. So many people I’ve known have gone from horse to horse but never look at themselves. You, yourself need training in the basics. It takes a long time to get that down. I would concentrate on yourself with Jack and get to be more knowledgeable about what is good riding. At this point you are not helping your horse but are pretty much dead weight (I don’t mean that in a deragetory way, just being blunt. You are rushing way ahead of yourself. When you are at a competitive level you can decide. Twenty grand won’t buy you a properly trained horse.

You can improve a horses canter. I don’t know if his can be improved but you can make horses carry their body better. He may also not be sure footed because he’s not used to being on trails. Any horse you buy needs to be in current work with cantering and in current work and not need to be put into shape. Personally I think you should I walk trot your horse and see if he can handle some baby level shows so you learn what you might enjoy. Your horse might be able to be trained on trails to be a good trail horse but that would involve someone taking him on trails though. In the end you know best of course!!! But make sure the horse you buy can do more then you want to do so you have options. Heck go hand walk blackjack on trails! Would get him used to it. You can get a great workout just walk/trotting. If you have access to some nice big green horse safe fields you could ride in the fields instead of the ring.

The best riders adapt to get the best from any horse. Just focus on learning to ride. Buy another horse when you can handle Black Jack's canter.

His canter is stiff. He needs training to make him supple, many transitions and suppling through shoulder in, haunches in, etc. He was never given that kind of training.

Get a Pivo, it changed my life. It's able to track horses, so you can record all your rides!!

The thing about this, the man sold you a bad horse, absolutely have no respect for him at all😡

Watch, clever cowgirl she takes in older horses, and that’s all you need, someone who will feed him, letting him be.

I would encourage you to retire, blackjack, get a younger horse that’s been well-trained and wants to have fun. you will have your own riding style, basically you want to enjoy your horse and not fall off..

Seriously consider getting a rescue ….

You freely admit that you don’t have a clue about looking for a new horse yet your goal is to start showing. Im going to be gentle, but blunt as I ask you…do you consider yourself to be a horsewoman? Are you a true barn rat aka enthusiast who shovels poop, pee and changes bedding, scrubs feeders and water bucket, cleans out his feet daily, administers wormer, and lastly, taken care of a sick horse in the middle f the night into the next day and beyond? You are a very balanced, pretty rider for being a newbie, but there’s so much more involved in having horses. If your horse has physical limitations please do both of you a favor, and be kind to him by setting up an awesome retirement plan. Seems like he’s given you all he has to give. I know that I’m going to get “hate” responses, but this is just my opinion. As you move forward, take your time, get over the back of a horse all that you can, and hopefully the right horse will come to you.

Your story is almost Exactly like my story! My horse even looks like Black Jack, but she's a mare. I don't like her lope, but I have a fantastic time with her as a trail horse. We just walk/trot through the beautiful Minnesota woods. Please don't give up on Black Jack. I almost gave up on my horse too, and I'm so glad I didn't. She's 19 now and the perfect trail horse . Best wishes!🐎❤️ I should add that I paid $500 for my horse in 2011. She's now worth 10x that. IMHO.

Free spirit equestrian she has many small fee classes on how to buy from auctions, she raises and trains pleasure and trail horses, find her channel you may learn even more from her even how to age a horse as well as finding the right fit for you, and you won’t have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a well rounded horse. Look into this. Could be what you’re looking for. Tfs big hugs for blackjack. ❤😊

I was born in 1953 to two older and completely non- horsey city parents. My first spoken word was “‘orsie” which I learned when my dad would drive me around the countryside, pointing out the farm animals in the fields. I was bitten for life. Don’t know why. We couldn’t afford a horse, but I got riding lessons at a big Western hire-to-ride barn when I was nine. Had a big fight with my mother, who wanted to meet to wear one of those party dresses that tied in the back to my first lesson. I prevailed and wore jeans. We had no safety equipment of any kind. No helmets, rode in sneakers, not even hard-heeled shoes. When I was about 13, I was given a pair of cheap Western boots for my birthday present, and you would’ve thought somebody had given me the Taj Mahal. Every Saturday from 11 AM to 4 PM we got together in a group of about 30 and rode all over the country roads-to the county fairgrounds and other destinations. We rode in a long line on the roads, which were fairly rural back then. One of my friends took somebody’s mailbox off its post with her foot, and our trail guide made her take the mailbox all the way up to the house and apologize. These Saturday excursions cost a total of three dollars, plus the guide threw in a brown bag lunch of bologna sandwiches and chips. When we were not riding on the roads, we went to semi-forested acreage on the barn’s back 40. There, riding in halters and bareback, we would play Cowboys and Indians. If you were on a solid horse, you were a cowboy. If you were on a spotted horse, you were an Indian. We would ride around through all these nasty trees, stumps, brambles, and dangerous obstacles, trying to grab each other’s bridles. If we succeeded, the person on the captured horse had to get down and get up on your horse with you, double bareback, and you had to lead the captured horse by the reins with one hand, until another mounted participant pulled the hostage off your horse and rescued her so that she could shinny up her own horse’s leg, and start over. The horses put up with this craziness with no complaint. The key thing was that no adults supervised us. They knew what we were doing, but they only wanted to know if we fell off and broke a bone. That’s freedom. We also learned to run barrels and kegs, and sometimes we would have a little barn horse shows, at which a large span of girls of all ages competed against one another. It was extremely friendly. In my 20s, I started riding again at a different place. I was working and single but could not afford a horse. Nonetheless, I gained a lot to good experience, riding different horses and doing different things. At 40, I got myself an off the track thoroughbred. I had no business with him, but over the next 12 years, he taught me a lot. Luckily, he put up with my mistakes and was a very sweet horse who taught my own daughter to ride. Although I loved riding, I did not love boarding. I live in a large city-by the time you drive out to a boarding establishment for an hour each way, only to find that they haven’t been taking care of of your horse properly, I had had enough. I found a place closer to my house with so-so care but only seven minutes from my house. That meant that I could go out there seven days a week and take care of him myself. So that’s what I did. Eventually, I had a group of four or five friends who formed an informal co-op. We all chipped in taking care of each other sources, making sure they had good water, turning them out on a regular basis, Etc. The bar owner didn’t care what we did as long as we didn’t cause trouble or ask him to do much, which was perfect. We had 50 acres to ride on. In the meantime, my daughter grew up and learned to ride. I never pushed it on her, but when she was about seven, she got interested. As a teenager, she showed my thoroughbred in 4-H, dressage, hunters, and basically did everything with him that you can do with a horse. He was all in for it. She ended up going to an equestrian college and becoming most interested in dressage. She has owned an Oldenburg mare and although currently horseless, she’s on the look for her next mount. The next generation has been bitten by this fatal bug. My husband is non-horsey, but I give him tons of credit for supporting both of us. He would do everything for the horses, but ride them. He said he preferred bicycles, or any other kind of transportation that did not have a mind of its own. That’s my story. I have tried to develop other interests, but the truth is, I will drop everything I’m doing in order to talk to someone about their farrier or what they feed their horse or what kind of spray do they use. I’m just hopeless. I would seldom ride, because my knees are crap, but I have gone riding anyway. I stay on by sheer balance nowadays. Oh, and yes, I am nursed myself in the black stallion series, Black Beauty, and Misty of Chincoteague in my youth.

I know someone who had a dressage horse and after a few years he felt the horse was not happy. He did his work but his heart was not into it. So turned him out to pasture with an older horse and got a pony for fun. The pony would get the horses running and playing and the owner would go out and play with them. They were outside most of the time and his horse loved this, especially rolling in dirty places. Three years later he got a feeling that the horse wanted more and he started riding him in the arena and around the neighborhood. He seemed to love this time together. Conclusion was that he did not like dressage. Also, he was sore somewhere that heled during his pasture romps. Finding the best life for your horse is a process.

Good for you for keeping Black Jack's best interests in mind! I really only wanted a horse for trails and light riding. I'm terrified of loping too. 🤣 I think things sometimes happen for a reason... So maybe the right next horse will appear when it's time. Until then, keep enjoying Black Jack. ❤️

I”m a sharer of a 23 year old horse, a year ago I had an accident which meant that I was no longer ride for about a month. When I did return to riding the character of the horse had changed, I was struggling physically and the horse really didn’t seem to enjoy going out on trails or school. It really wasn’t looking good, I was close to giving up on him and the owner was looking to retire him. However my love for the horse meant that I decided to persevere and he is now even better than before, a happy horse that enjoys his work again. Some horses especially older ones need regular work to keep their weight down and fitness and mobility up and you really can’t judge things like a horses canter when they are unfit and have lost the muscle structure to properly carry a person in a canter. For Black Jack it is way too early in my opinion to judge what he’d be like after say 6 months of regular work. Give him time, build up his fitness and maybe he will surprise you. Imagine the satisfaction if you turn him around.

I did dressage many, many years ago-1985-1987, and it cost a FORTUNE, even AFTER paying for the $45,000 horse (yes, you read that right. Now that same horse would probably be upwards of $100,000). I had to stop. Entry fees, trailering, overnight boarding, training, tack (for the horse AND for you!) Yoy! Make sure you count all the costs-not just the usual horse costs.

He's a lovely horse.❤❤❤ He's a very lucky horse being in your care. I'm so sorry you were lied to. Unfortunately there are crappy people in the horse world, the world in general. so I have total empathy for you in your mistrust. I hope he recovers well for you. There is a comment from someone offering to help you find your next horse should you want to. I would seriously take them up on their offer.

I’ve noticed, along with some other people that blackjack seems to drag his left hind foot. I watched every video. He’s a beautiful horse, but I don’t think he’s ever going to be 100% sound.