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It wasn't a suggestion - it was an observation of reality. LLMs are now generating code and so humans are generating less code.

It was a pleasure having you on the show Bharat!

If there's a short run transactional relationship that's mutually beneficial for both parties, then that makes sense. Business networking should normally be a bit longer term and therefore relationship focused.

Hours of work for a chance at next steps? You better be offering me life changing money for that.

Take home assessments have been very common, but not at the start of the process as they're a lot of work for everyone involved. Companies seem to be doing them less now because they think candidates will just use an LLM to solve. But is that even an issue? From your end, why would you prefer this approach?

@@aloobatests I make six figures as a dev. If you asked me to do hours of work for a chance at your job I'd straight up ask you when your daughter was coming over to go to work on me. No one worth hiring is going to sit through that. Have fun with your chat bots.

@@aloobatests Let me preface by saying that I know nothing about coding, but I just stumbled upon this video and found it interesting. Like you said, if you give someone a task to take home, and they complete it in a satisfactory way, does it matter what tools they used? Granted a broken clock is right twice a day and more examples of proficiency are needed but it's a start. Give them an assignment with a deadline. This will also speak to their time management skills. Then go over their process with them. If you're satisfied, win-win. I think in a general sense with hiring, I'd prefer a take home test that's an actual use case scenario than the usual "Tell us about a time you faced conflict in the workplace and how you handled it." then waiting around for weeks without a response. It's more upfront information for everyone involved on how work will actually work.

Right this isn't school if chatgpt can help you do your work faster its bad for the company if you don't us it

That's a fresh perspective. Probably there's an overconfidence bias at play - we think we're much more effective interviewers than we really are? You mentioned your team currently has a longwinded process - do you think you can get it changed?

@aloobatests probably not. It's very standard in software engineering. Most companies I've interviewed with have at least a 4 step process. And most are roughly an hour at least. I've had my fair share of 6+ hour long single stage interviews.

Probably depends on the work environment. Sounds like you've worked in some toxic ones?

@@aloobatests evevryone is a hr karen until there a heavy thing that needs to be moved

What makes you believe they are overconfident?

I don't think many recruiters are saying that. It's more that AI has developed so rapidly, and candidates have adopted it much faster than organisations, so they're ahead of the game. The technology is so profound that it has broken legacy hiring processes that will now have to be reinvented. Interesting times!

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@@aloobatestsI’m imitating bevis.

Indeed it is. Early days so far but it looks to be far more promising than manual human CV screening.

There are indeed some markets like the US where litigation risk is always lurking in the background. In most countries, this is less of a factor, especially in smaller organisations.

Thanks for joining Tim on the show Anthony. It was a pleasure to have your expertise!

It's our pleasure - Faye was a great guest!

That's great to hear and it's such a powerful technology, so it's good that you're getting the most out of it.

Alexey points out that most applicants to any job are irrelevant. And if you do have relevant skills and experience now, it's actually easy to tailor your CV to the job, as ChatGPT or other LLMs can help with this adjustment. From our recent conversations with many hiring managers, it seems like now it is expected to have a tailored CV, especially because they're all reporting being bombarded with many very strong looking CVs, so if you didn't tailor it yourself, you're unlikely to be shortlisted for any interview. It's a tough hiring market out there, so we appreciate this might be hard to hear.

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Thanks for joining Tim on the show Praveen. It was a pleasure having you as an expert guest.

That's not what Humberto said. The issue was the candidate not being motivated to excel in the role and already had their head elsewhere.

People are allowed to have other goals and ambitions. It's just the nature of jobs now. People realize there is much more to gain by moving companies more often, since corporations don't tend to give proper raises or incentives to stay. Sounds like the guy picked up real quick that it wasn't worth sticking around, and should be more of a reflection of the company, not the employee.

Thanks for joining us Artur!

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It could be that for some of them. Also for others who are very introverted, working in an office can be a struggle. It would be tough for anybody who was an introvert and then started their careers working from during Covid, which would only have exacerbated this introversion. It's a great tip from Matt to try to avoid being overly closed off at work and engage with your peers - good things will happen!

@@aloobatests That is true too, I should have been a little more kind than just describing them as self absorbed. Thanks for adding this to the comment. =)

All data related roles involve a lot of human interaction and every hiring manager would place value in softer skills for this reason.

@@aloobatests I goes very wrong when all you do is to think about how people interact, dress them selves and act. It does not help on bit to actually solve the problems. I work as an engineer in a hospital and I am quite good at figuring out the departments needs and fix their problems without offending them, doctors have very fragil egos. It is often easier to get the truth and correct information from under nurses. Well, the biggest problem it the leadership that has no idea what we actually do and therefor ONLY fokus on what the ar good at. Numbers and human relations. So we have a management program that is so ill suited for the task and so slow it takes mush longer than the actual work to report it. Then we need to internally bill everything with pretend money that takes even more time. So basically we are working 25% fixing things, 25% to document what we did, then 50% producing meaningless numbers to meaningless people playing with pretend money. I am living in Sweden with state health care, so we are not really billing anyone. Throw out all the bosses, consultants and pretend economic people and we cost half the money for the taxpayer and do 2 times the work easy. Not stressfull as hell like now.

Interesting take and thanks for your contribution - what are the supposed tax benefits of posting job ads? Also, is there any evidence to share around 95% of job adverts being fake?

It does seem that both sides of the market are using AI increasingly, and it's got a bit of a race to the bottom feel about it.