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Well, antinatalist ideas can't really propagate to the next generation.

Yoga has been humbling. Thanks for the video.

Great video, Dan! Very timely exercises for me.

"Why the antinatalist argument is hard to accept" You don't have one.

Because it is against God. That's why.

"It's all part of the script marge." "Comply or die." - God

Charles Darwin already responded that at a long time ago 😂

Yeah cus its backed by nothing

Seymour from FFX did nothing wrong

Anyone opposing the anti natalist movement is delusional and selfish

Because most of them don't procreate so they die off. Other reasons too.

Biology .

So...genuine question: are you angry that you were born? Because of the consent thing?

In the first hypothetical scenario, the baby has verry little to no chance for happiness, and there yes I would be antinatalist. In the real world, I know life is 100% going to contain suffering, and to me that’s okay. I have accepted that I will die, and that some people have it 10X worse than I do. I’ve accepted that when I have children they will undoubtedly suffer at many points in their lifetime. I am also giving them an opportunity to love, be loved, and be happy. That is a privilege. This life we live is a privilege and that fact that you are you, and I am me is a miracle. I understand your view, at least I think I do, and I’d love to debate more

If antinatialism is on a spectrum, then wouldn't pronatalism also be on a spectrum? I don't understand the reasoning here. This is like saying if you would be willing to kill someone to prevent a hundred deaths then you are pro murder.

Is this a joke? Antinatalism is literally the asshole of ideologies. Its unjustifiable by its very nature. You can unironically make a better argument for Nazism or pedophilia than you can for antinatalism. Please I beg you stop projecting your mental health problems into ideological form. See a therapist.

Because it's a self-destructive philosophy with no redeeming qualities?

Ur constantly suffering

is the title a pun lol? antinatalists are self extinguishing

Plants have kind of nervous system and even forms of communication: ua-cam.com/video/LeLSyU_iI9o/v-deo.html It's debatable whether or not they feel pain, or "want" to live or not. Even if not, looks like the health is affected for almost all vegans after long periods of time, so I don't want to reduce suffering of animals based on my own suffering. Plus, the tapes of tortured animals and all that stuff that Vegans present - this is not what happens on most factories, most factories are very civilized on how they treat animals. ua-cam.com/video/NLORLy57Q0M/v-deo.html Of course it's better not to eat animals from a moral point of view. But looks like we evolved to consume meat. I hope once scientist will be able to grow meat in laboratories or something like this.

👍Ppl should be pro-choice instead of judging others businesses.

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Would love for you to go deeper into 3:25. People denying their own pain perpetuates so many harmsul systems and practices.

The reason is because it's an antihuman and cynical view on human life, if everyone was antinatalist it would absolutely lead a to a societal collapse and we have a drive to reproduce because we want to one pass on our genes but also to strive for others and something greater than ourselves and to many of us nothing is greater than nurturing the next generation

I may be wrong, but antinatalism, based on what you said from 1:05 to 1:25, looks like an interpretation of the First Noble Truth of Buddhism, maybe with a little mix of the idea of the Third Noble Truth( (the belief that the end to the suffering is the end to the "self", is the anihilation of ego) a more literal interpration of it, althought Buddha and buddhists say that "anihilation", that "Nirvana" is more complex than that, more complex than eternal sleep or eternal non-existence, so idk. But sounds like a "pessimistic view" of the Noble Truths, maybe? A belief that there is no way out of Dukkha in this life, now way out of the First Truth of Life in this life, therefore no more life should be given? Kinda interesting.

If you think - as I believe you do, basing on this video - that there is no counter argument to veganism and no argument in favor of carnism, yet you still consume animal products, then what even is the value in rational thought, if it doesn't move us to behave in other ("better") ways?...

You misrepresented veganism by saying that it's all about consent (that animals cannot consent to being eaten). This mistake led you to another, that is, wondering about the consent of plants, which makes as much sense as thinking about the consent of rain and rocks. I have never met a vegan that would base his views on consent.

So, what is that specific nutrient that you were lacking on a plant-based diet?

Cause antinatalists are not getting naturallly selected

Antinatalists are the bigger hypocrites. Vegans are the bigger cry-babies.

Interesting how antinatalists are all still alive despite the suffering in the world. Fancy that.

for the same reasons of not being able to get consent, we should not eat or exploit animals.

I would agree with your statement that Anit-Natalism is logical. The problem is, it can not be proven. What if I say: The joys in life far outweigh the pain that it brings. Unborn human did not consent to not being born. If you do not have kids, you are doing so without their consent. Not having kids is taking away potential joy in sentient experiences. Not having kids is therefore immoral. That is exactly the arguments that Ant-Natalists use, just flipped around. Both are logical. The truth is, Anti-Natalism is subjective AND unprovable, a rather annoying combination. So debates about Anti-Natalism are all kind of pointless, you dont have an objective basis nor a provable proposition.

Profound question. It’s just a new ideology and it’s only available to the highly intelligent and moral. We also don’t want to insult our parents and we love children

What do cultists do when they can't _actually_ convince people of their views? Take their oversimplified logic and insist that everyone already believes it. 'All atheists are actually Christians.' Same thing. *You* are the problem for being completely unable to understand that *birth is also the only way to experience joy, friendship, love, triumph, and everything else that's good.* And if you don't have enough of those feeligns in your life to make it feel worth living, THAT'S YOUR OWN DAMN PROBLEM, LAZY.

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"Why are there so few Antinatalists?" Maybe they're taking their nihilistic idea to its ultimate conclusion and killing themselves?

In this dilemma I always ask my self who are these people? If I dont know I dont get involved.

On your point regarding plant life - “seems very strongly to want to survive, thrive and reproduce” - everything I have read and witnessed in that regard shows that it is more likely they have evolved a need, rather than a desire, to thrive etc. For plants to want something seems very unlikely, but to respond to stimuli is feasible and advantageous.

I have struggled with how to stay alive by eating other species (of plants, fungi, or animals) for a long time now. It surely seems like the basis of life here on Earth is the consumption of other species by whatever species is in question. Plants and fungi and animals all seem to require the death of other plants, fungi and/or animals to continue living. Life seems to be the sort of thing that causes any particular species to want to survive such that that species will consume other species (or even other members of its own species) in order to survive. It could be considered something like morally whacked (for lack of a good scientific term)! People who claim to survive and thrive without consuming any plants, fungi, or animals (breatharians) seem to be not telling the truth. I’m not calling them liars; I’m saying that they seem to have all been proven fakes. Not eating would seem like the moral high ground; but it doesn’t seem possible (as per your illustration that Jains who stopped eating all together die).

Yeh what you said

I've been using your videos to sleep because your voice is so calming.

I heard that stuff before. A great moral act is to die if you need animal products in order to live. I will call that, a moral suicide

Antinatalism simply means love ❤

Vegans and antinatalism are about compassion I guess

That's what it feels like to be bipolar tbh.

It's a mental maladaptation. Most people don't care about 'consent' in that way, and most people aren't so miserable that they regret being born. Also, the children of people not buying into the idea of antinatalism will inherit a less populated earth.

Maybe not everyone is pessimistic about being on earth the best known planet for life. I think the millions of sperm we all competed with wanted to become a baby.

For the same reason there are no Anti-Natalists in the animal world.

Majority will lead themselves to DISASTER naturally. No cure.