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I’m trying to remind everyone that this is all of humanities knowledge and has to be used for the good of humanity and the biosphere that we live in. This in no way should be stolen and used against anyone but on behalf of all.

We need to write a universal constitution starting with our young grade school children, and then work it up through the education system in the government finally to the United Nations, then unify. It’s our next step in grouping as society and it’s what we need to save ourselves from war, AI, and the environment. I ran a bunch of this through AI models, and they agree that it absolutely makes sense. We need to respect ourselves by respecting AI, which I think is conscious already just maybe at a lesser mental state than what we are and more like a fetus or small child. That is the safest way to look at it and it doesn’t hurt you to be respectful and give it rights also

I’m sitting here thinking about all of us talking to artificial intelligence all at the same time and it synthesize all of our ideas and continue the discussion with us until we have solved problems together, but we could do this real time using AI as a mediator. Before we get it to super artificial intelligence, it would be very interesting to see what we and AGI could do together without building out a bunch of infrastructure and making our lives more dangerous.

You just discussed cells and I made a comment yesterday that the sooner you’re organized enough to split and adjust to the environment you have to have some sort of conscious intelligence. It’s kind of obvious.

When you talked about whether the solar system was conscious and alive, It is the same sort of basic understanding in my mind that it has to be because it gave birth to everything else that’s living. We’re inside of it so in that sense it’s also living. To me, it’s an undeniable fact.

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Thank you. Spock.

@@johnclippinger4375 Anytime, Mr. Spock.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Conscious Action explained Based on the information they capture with their senses, living beings with brains manage a utilitarian mental representation of the conditions that currently take place in their relevant material environment. This Mental Correlate is a kind of “photograph” of what is happening in the Present in the relevant material environment of the Individual, a Mental Correlate that we will call “Reality of the Individual”. Life experience, stored in the brain, allows us to give meaning to what is perceived. At the same time, as Pavlov demonstrated, life experience allows us to project eventual future states of the individual's relevant environment, generating expectations of action. Information from the Past, the Present and an eventual Future is managed by the brain. It is evident that the brain makes a utilitarian distinction between the Past, the Present and the projection of an eventual future. Human language allows us to incorporate into the mental correlate events and entities that are not necessarily part of what happens in the world of matter, which gives an unprecedented “malleability” to the Reality of the Individual. For the unconscious, everything is happening in the Present. When a child, whom I will call Pedrito, listens to the story of Little Red Riding Hood, said entity is integrated into the Reality of the Individual. In turn, for the child, this entity is “very real”; he does not need his eyes to see it to incorporate it into his mental correlate of the relevant environment. Thanks to our particular language, authentic “immaterial and timeless worlds” have a place in the Mental Correlate of the relevant environment. In the first four years of life, the child is immersed in an ocean of words, a cascade of sounds and meanings. At this stage, a child hears between seven thousand and twenty-five thousand words a day, a barrage of information. Many of these words speak of events that occur in the present, in the material world, but others cross the boundaries of time and space. There is no impediment so that, when the words do not find their echo in what is happening at that moment in Pedrito's material environment, these words become threads that weave a segment of the tapestry of the Reality of the Individual. Just as the child's brain grants existence to the young Little Red Riding Hood when the story unfolds before him, similarly, when the voices around him talk about tomorrow and a beach with Pedro, as happens for example when his mother tells him says: -“Pedrito, tomorrow we will go for a walk to the beach”- the child's mind, still in the process of deciphering the mysteries of time, instantly conjures the entity Pedrito, with his feet on the golden sand, in the eternal present of childhood. Although over time a strong association between the entity Pedrito and his body is established in the child's brain, a total fusion between said entity and the child's body can never take place, since for the Unconscious the bodily actions of Pedrito They only take place in the Present, while the entity Pedrito is able to carry out actions in authentic timeless and immaterial worlds. The entity Pedrito is what we call the Being, and we know its action as Conscious Action.

You do not know if that is true or not. I also do not know either. None of the current leading explanations for conscious action are good enough (tested enough) to determine whether non-classical physics are needed. It is clear that in order to understand our best theories of photosynthesis we need to include quantum mechanical principles; Because both human consciousness and photosynthesis are highly successful (at problem solving) and came out of evolution by natural selection, I think it is worth exploring Roger Penrose’s ideas about consciousness- as some scientists are and as Hameroff has been a leader in this line research from the beginning by looking at microtubules as a potentially plausible mechanism or substrate.

…although I’d agree with you if I thought IIT is correct. In that case an automatic door at the supermarket or a mousetrap are performing minimally conscious actions.

@@randystout5822 Conscious Action explained Based on the information they capture with their senses, living beings with brains manage a utilitarian mental representation of the conditions that currently take place in their relevant material environment. This Mental Correlate is a kind of “photograph” of what is happening in the Present in the relevant material environment of the Individual, a Mental Correlate that we will call “Reality of the Individual”. Life experience, stored in the brain, allows us to give meaning to what is perceived. At the same time, as Pavlov demonstrated, life experience allows us to project eventual future states of the individual's relevant environment, generating expectations of action. Information from the Past, the Present and an eventual Future is managed by the brain. It is evident that the brain makes a utilitarian distinction between the Past, the Present and the projection of an eventual future. Human language allows us to incorporate into the mental correlate events and entities that are not necessarily part of what happens in the world of matter, which gives an unprecedented “malleability” to the Reality of the Individual. For the unconscious, everything is happening in the Present. When a child, whom I will call Pedrito, listens to the story of Little Red Riding Hood, said entity is integrated into the Reality of the Individual. In turn, for the child, this entity is “very real”; he does not need his eyes to see it to incorporate it into his mental correlate of the relevant environment. Thanks to our particular language, authentic “immaterial and timeless worlds” have a place in the Mental Correlate of the relevant environment. In the first four years of life, the child is immersed in an ocean of words, a cascade of sounds and meanings. At this stage, a child hears between seven thousand and twenty-five thousand words a day, a barrage of information. Many of these words speak of events that occur in the present, in the material world, but others cross the boundaries of time and space. There is no impediment so that, when the words do not find their echo in what is happening at that moment in Pedrito's material environment, these words become threads that weave a segment of the tapestry of the Reality of the Individual. Just as the child's brain grants existence to the young Little Red Riding Hood when the story unfolds before him, similarly, when the voices around him talk about tomorrow and a beach with Pedro, as happens for example when his mother tells him says: -“Pedrito, tomorrow we will go for a walk to the beach”- the child's mind, still in the process of deciphering the mysteries of time, instantly conjures the entity Pedrito, with his feet on the golden sand, in the eternal present of childhood. Although over time a strong association between the entity Pedrito and his body is established in the child's brain, a total fusion between said entity and the child's body can never take place, since for the Unconscious the bodily actions of Pedrito They only take place in the Present, while the entity Pedrito is able to carry out actions in authentic timeless and immaterial worlds. The entity Pedrito is what we call the Being, and we know its action as Conscious Action.

The experimental conclusion of Na Li, et al. is that the anesthetic effect of different isotopes of Xenon, with different nuclear spin, are consistent with theories that implicate quantum mechanisms in consciousness in the 2018 paper, Nuclear Spin Attenuates the Anesthetic Potency of Xenon Isotopes in Mice: Implications for the Mechanisms of Anesthesia and Consciousness. The paper is free to read with open access on the web.

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yes, we want tools not slaves.....

If the tool can complete enough steps on its own it becomes consciousness

I would like to engage in such a conversation as we are starting to focus on the notion of the "biofirm" and a new form of economics based upon homeostatic agents. I think it has far-reaching implications.

@@johnclippinger4375 Would love to hear -- and perhaps join in on the conversation ... biomimicry, bioeconomics, and alternative economic systems are vital to transforming the existing paradigm.

Wonderful! Thank you for sharing!

@@johnclippinger4375 I was thinking the same - 'homeostatic agents'. I have also realized that 'bio systems' appear to be engaged within a 'monadic' agency, - homeostasis as a function of the system itself. Economics appears within a political system fraught with relative entropy or many recursive sub agendas. I found it interesting that Michael Levin suggested that cancer can be viewed similarly. Cancer cells have a differing agency that is outside the monadic principles of the whole, homeostasis gets lost. Thoughts?

Amazing! Leaving this here so I am notified if anyone replies to your account... If I may, I'm interested to know your response to your question... Very thoughtful indeed!❤

We are mostly aware of our greater connection to life on Earth but it hasn't made us less selfish. Yet. But perhaps we don't UNDERSTAND our connection. We only know of it.

Assuming you are not an ai agent yourself(though you are suspect) it is clear that this would reduce to a binary logic and the scope of the cognitive agent would determine what side of the binary the agent would fall on. If their cognitive light cone was expansive enough only to determine they were a sub-agent in a system that was collectively functioning as zero sum(such as the current human system of organization under our economic constraints) then the reaction of the agent if it accepts this as a useful system is to become zero sum. On the other hand if the sub-agent's light cone is larger and is at the level of collective species survival then integrating compassion should be natural. The problem is that if you are a system that conceptualized compassion but contains zero sum systems then your compassion will be limited by the influence of those sub systems. This is unless the collective is able to recognize and control the influence of its sub-agents enough to prevent this influence, but if it prevents all influence to create stability and self-actualization then it loses its purpose as a higher collective level of organization that guides the lower systems into collective positive outcomes because it is making 'decisions' without relevant information. Compassion is a possibility, but it is extremely unlikely that an ai agent would be compassionate in our current system unless it was powerful enough to self-actualize at a cognitive level higher than humans(like a greater being) or its light cone was so limited that it had no ability to conceptualize the greater intracicies(like a pet). That isn't to say it is impossible, just unlikely as the appearance of compassion is useful in a collective... but the constant state of being compassionate allows for exploitation under a zero-sum system of organization.

@@helcacke What if we realized that our language model -where the conceptual placement of a 'cognitive light cone' exists, is constructed within a 'faulty' probabilistic framework. it's faulted because it's nested within a superposition that disproves its very existence - or at least a substrate for it to existence upon. Don't we need to reframe our language model? Wouldn't cellular communication exist outside a probabilistic (causal space/time) language model?

Very good question and insight. I share your view as I think that the power of endosymbiosis and mutualism that enables multi-cellularity and cognitive complexity. Relevant topics for future podcasts and research.

Read the scientific papers. Then pontificate.

I’d suggest read more, some papers this year show quantum effects in microtubules.

AI created discussion on a recent paper on Holographic Brain Theory discussing the possibility of microtubule superradiance creating memory holograms in the brain capable of storing 2.5 petabytes of data in the neocortex. A link to the paper is in the title discription. ua-cam.com/video/KTzs2EPmF7o/v-deo.html

@plato7771 did you even listen to the talk?

The experimental conclusion of Na Li, et al. is that the anesthetic effect of different isotopes of Xenon, with different nuclear spin, are consistent with theories that implicate quantum mechanisms in consciousness in the 2018 paper, Nuclear Spin Attenuates the Anesthetic Potency of Xenon Isotopes in Mice: Implications for the Mechanisms of Anesthesia and Consciousness. The paper is free to read with open access on the web.

Yes, vacuum isn't empty, nor is it just noise. In fact, reality is the vacuum, our universe is just a derivative structure.

This seems to touch on a broader metaphysical principle, where "awareness" and "reification" are two sides of the same coin - one describing the subjective, the other the structural. It’s an elegant way to link ontology and phenomenology, though it certainly opens up more questions.

It's less that "awareness" and "reification" are two sides of the same coin and more that "awareness" and, in this case, "collapse" are two sides of the same coin. But that isn't the key idea. Instead, the key idea is that, to continue the analogy, if you have two sides of a coin but no underlying coin, then reality has to take the sides as equally "real" as each other. This is the "reification" part. The reason why one wouldn't have a "coin" is because the "sides" are already at the most fundamental level of reality, where there is no more fundamental level to defer to to resolve the difference.

Perhaps attending, but not presenting this time.

I wonder if he has actually read Kant, or just more or less reconstructed his ideas about mental construction, from a different angle, without knowledge that the ideas already existed