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Muslim Lantern Exposed AGAIN for lying about Aisha's Age of Marriage | Christian Prince Debates
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Muslim Struggles Under Pressure To Prove Allah's Existence😭 | Christian Prince Debates
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Islam is A Demonic Cult CONFIRMED!! Muslim Ends Up Leaving After Debate | Christian Prince
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Muslim Vs CP On The Similarities Between Allah And The Dajjal(AntiChrist) | Christian Prince
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CP Destroys DESTINY on Israel-Palestine | Christian Prince Debates
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Does Islam Mean "Peace"?: Muslim Leaves Islam after learning the Truth | Christian Prince Debates
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Brainwashed Muslimah Can't Stop Lying to Defend Islam's Satanic Heaven | Christian Prince Debates
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A Muslim Tries To Prove Angel Jibreel is the HOLY SPIRIT | Christian Prince Debates
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Who Actually Wrote the Quran? : Allah😈 or Umar? | Christian Prince Debates
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Muslim Questions the TRINITY but exposes Allah as a Fake God | Christian Prince debates
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Muslim admits the Quran is NOT preserved & doesn't know the meaning of "Allah" | Christian Prince
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Muslim can't explain away the Quran supporting FLAT Earth | Christian Prince Debates
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Muslim runs from debate after realizing Allah Can't Create ANYTHING | Christian Prince debates
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Confused Muslim can't deal with Muhammad being a FAKE Prophet | Christian Prince Debates
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Muhammad Prophesied in the Bible (Isaiah 42) DEBUNKED | Christian Prince Debates
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Shia Muslim finally opens His Eyes and leaves Islam [Part 2] | Christian Prince Debates
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Shia Muslim finally opens His Eyes and leaves Islam [Part 2] | Christian Prince Debates
Shia Muslim on discord Solos 4 Sunni Muslims at the same time🔥[Part 1] | Christian Prince Debates
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Shia Muslim on discord Solos 4 Sunni Muslims at the same time🔥[Part 1] | Christian Prince Debates
Why are Muslims Obsessed with Kissing the Black Stone at the Kaaba? | Christian Prince Debates
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Why are Muslims Obsessed with Kissing the Black Stone at the Kaaba? | Christian Prince Debates
Muslim sees nothing Wrong with Muhammad Receiving Satanic Verses | Christian Prince Debates
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Muslim sees nothing Wrong with Muhammad Receiving Satanic Verses | Christian Prince Debates
2 Muslims Fail to prove that Islam Makes Sense! | Christian Prince debates
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2 Muslims Fail to prove that Islam Makes Sense! | Christian Prince debates
Amazing Ethics of Prophet Muhammad | Muslim activates Taqiyya to cover his Prophets Immoral Ways
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Amazing Ethics of Prophet Muhammad | Muslim activates Taqiyya to cover his Prophets Immoral Ways
CP and Godlogic cook ISLAM💀🔥 + Allah created Adam in his OWN IMAGE?! | Christian Prince debates
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CP and Godlogic cook ISLAM💀🔥 Allah created Adam in his OWN IMAGE?! | Christian Prince debates
There is no FREE WILL in islam since Allah pre-destined everything | Christian Prince Debates
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There is no FREE WILL in islam since Allah pre-destined everything | Christian Prince Debates
Muslimah Clueless about Tawhid gets exposed | Christian Prince
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Muslimah Clueless about Tawhid gets exposed | Christian Prince
Muslim says Muhammad dying from Poison was a "Miracle" lol | Christian Prince
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Muslim says Muhammad dying from Poison was a "Miracle" lol | Christian Prince
Muslim refuses to read the verse about Allah being the "Best of Creators"🤣 | Christian Prince
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Muslim refuses to read the verse about Allah being the "Best of Creators"🤣 | Christian Prince
Muslim tries to defend the most obvious scientific ERROR in the Quran | Christian Prince
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Muslim tries to defend the most obvious scientific ERROR in the Quran | Christian Prince
Arab Muslim can't defend the Qurans Satanic Origins
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Arab Muslim can't defend the Qurans Satanic Origins
Muslim can't explain why Muhammad Had ZERO Miracles | Christian Prince
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Muslim can't explain why Muhammad Had ZERO Miracles | Christian Prince
Allah never Spoke to Muhammad | 2 Muslims get COOKED💀 | Christian Prince
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Allah never Spoke to Muhammad | 2 Muslims get COOKED💀 | Christian Prince

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  • @miltonmartinez6698
    @miltonmartinez6698 2 години тому

    Thanks for uploading 🙏🏼

  • @georgeislander
    @georgeislander 2 години тому

    ….islam ; enough is enough, Change your and learn honesty, jesus love you!🙏

  • @georgeislander
    @georgeislander 2 години тому

    Can imagine , one is alloud to lie! Realy people van lie? What kind of religion is that? Having sex with children? What kind imorality is that?

  • @georgeislander
    @georgeislander 3 години тому

    Can imagine , one is alloud to lie! Realy people van lie? What kind of religion is that? Having sex with children? What kind imorality is that?

  • @georgeislander
    @georgeislander 3 години тому

    Can imagine👀realy!👀 This world is scary, we’re not fighting the devil ouy ,when we know who they are! Please let us go out and weed out our home,! Our sweet home where our father has place and given to us to live! We need to weed out those weed( islam)

  • @danny.odonoghu.8362
    @danny.odonoghu.8362 3 години тому

    Sahih al-Bukhari (691): The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Does the one who raises his head before the imam not fear that Allah will turn his head into the head of a donkey?"

  • @Stan-w3h
    @Stan-w3h 4 години тому

    hard to believe since dude on cross with his last breath cried out ' Allaha Allaha why have thou forsaken me '

    • @villasenor5
      @villasenor5 2 години тому

      Stop it You don’t want the explanation so stop it

  • @Stan-w3h
    @Stan-w3h 4 години тому

    according to the bible ' antichrist will be a gay one eyed j-- living in Jerusalem ' anyone check bibi eyesight recently ?

  • @Stan-w3h
    @Stan-w3h 4 години тому

    unfortunately for your argument even dude on cross cried out ' Allaha Allaha why have thou forsaken me ' with his last breath on cross seems roman pagan trinity was foreign to Jesus

    • @-BigIi-
      @-BigIi- 2 години тому

      No he didn't. Stop lying. The Jews\Hebrews standing around him state what they believed he said when he used the word ''Eli Eli...''. Eli is both short for Elijah - which means *My-Elohim-is-YHWH* and also Elohim (which means God and obviously would refer to *YHWH* the God of Israel, just as the *YHWH-theophoric* name Elijah states). It does not refer to your dumb idol. And so this is why the reader is told: *"When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.”* (Mattew 27:47) It would benefit Muslims a lot if many of them actually did some reading and not just listen to other liars.

    • @-BigIi-
      @-BigIi- 2 години тому

      No he didn't. Stop lying. The Jews\Hebrews standing around him state what they believed he said when he used the word ''Eli Eli...''. Eli is both short for Elijah - which means *My-Elohim-is-YHWH* and also Elohim (which means God and obviously would refer to *YHWH* the God of Israel, just as the *YHWH-theophoric* name Elijah states). It does not refer to your dumb idol. And so this is why the reader is told: *"When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.”* (Mattew 27:47) It would benefit Muslims a lot if many of them actually did some reading and not just listen to other liars..

    • @Quijote-Salvaje
      @Quijote-Salvaje Годину тому

      He did not claim Al-Lah moon god when he was on the cross. ‭‭ Jesus said: Elí, Elí, ¿lama sabactani? Not Al-Lah moon god! Your religion is a counterfeit

  • @drakowrld-k5e
    @drakowrld-k5e 4 години тому

    lmao CP cooked this clown🤣🤣🤣

    • @Vee9990
      @Vee9990 3 години тому

      as usual😌💯

  • @shortcircuitbrainENT
    @shortcircuitbrainENT 5 годин тому

    Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen. roman 3-7Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner

  • @RafikKhan-ol4zk
    @RafikKhan-ol4zk 5 годин тому

    Go and debate Sheilk uthman you will get your answers

    • @woodyharrelson2624
      @woodyharrelson2624 2 години тому

      Sheikh who faked his stabbing and called out by San Diego Police for no report made and no hospital record of stabbing?😂😂😂

    • @-BigIi-
      @-BigIi- 2 години тому

      @@woodyharrelson2624 They all rely on a bunch of liars for their confidence.

  • @Somerandomguy8989
    @Somerandomguy8989 5 годин тому

    Christian Prince's claim that Allah and Satan share characteristics is based on selective readings and decontextualized interpretations of the Qur'an and Islamic teachings. Refuting this claim requires an understanding of the distinct attributes of Allah (God) and Satan (Iblis) as described in the Qur'an and broader Islamic theology. Here’s a systematic refutation: 1. The Core of the Claim Christian Prince often alleges that: Allah and Satan share characteristics like "misguiding people" or "causing harm." These claims rely on Qur'anic verses or concepts taken out of context, such as Allah allowing people to stray (e.g., Surah Al-Baqarah 2:26) or testing humans. 2. Refutation: Allah’s Attributes Are Perfect Allah’s Attributes (Asma’ul Husna): Allah is described in the Qur'an with 99 names, all reflecting perfect, just, and merciful attributes. Example: Ar-Rahman (The Most Merciful), Al-Hadi (The Guide), Al-Adl (The Just). Satan’s Role in Islam: Satan (Iblis) is a rebellious creation of Allah who actively seeks to deceive and harm humans. Satan’s attributes are inherently evil and self-serving, while Allah’s actions are rooted in wisdom and justice. 3. Claim: Allah "Misguides" People Misrepresentation of “Misguiding”: Christian Prince often cites verses like Surah Al-Baqarah 2:26: “Allah does not misguide except the defiantly disobedient.” Contextual Refutation: Allah’s “misguidance” is not arbitrary or unjust. It is a consequence of a person’s deliberate rejection of truth and guidance. Allah provides guidance to all, but those who persist in arrogance and sin are left to their own choices (Surah Al-Kahf 18:29): “Let him who wills believe, and let him who wills disbelieve.” Satan, by contrast, actively deceives and misleads without justification, aiming to destroy human souls (Surah Al-A'raf 7:16-17). The claim that Allah and Satan share characteristics is rooted in a superficial and decontextualized reading of Islamic texts. Allah is described as the Creator, Sustainer, and ultimate guide whose actions are rooted in wisdom, mercy, and justice. Satan, on the other hand, is a rebellious creation whose intent is purely malicious and self-serving. Proper understanding of the Qur'an and Islamic theology clearly demonstrates that Allah and Satan are fundamentally opposite in nature, purpose, and attributes. By addressing the linguistic, contextual, and theological flaws in Christian Prince’s argument, it becomes evident that such claims lack substance and misrepresent Islam’s core teachings. YAWN !

  • @rostomsegon523
    @rostomsegon523 6 годин тому

    ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION TO THE WILL.OF GOD. HOW COME THAT ISLAM IS A DEMONIC CULT? as muslim, i believed ISLAM is the true or perfect religion, of course all unbelievers denied, so what is the true religion? Any Christians can answer?

    • @Quijote-Salvaje
      @Quijote-Salvaje Годину тому

      It means 'surrender' not submission; learn from the master in Arabic Christian Prince

    • @kbipdenis4640
      @kbipdenis4640 19 хвилин тому

      Just take a note write down or ask any person to write down ten things that you think god would like us to be or good to make heaven, ask two people to at least one Muslim one Christian nd one unbeliever like me

  • @Somerandomguy8989
    @Somerandomguy8989 6 годин тому

    Why is Aishas Age a Problem to start with Lowest Historical Ages of Consent in Western History: Roman Empire: No age of consent, but girls could marry as young as 12. Medieval Europe: Typically 12 for girls, tied to marriage eligibility. 19th-Century England: Age of consent was 10 (prior to the 1875 increase). 19th Century (1800s): Early Laws: During the early to mid-19th century, the age of consent was typically 10 or 12 years old in most states. Lowest Recorded Age: Delaware famously had an age of consent of 7 years old between 1871 and 1880, the lowest recorded in the United States. Common Trends: By 1880, most states had an age of consent set at either 10 or 12 years old. Not sure why you discussing this issue where as you will be humiliated by your own Historical Christian legislators 😂 then again Your Church are the Greatest Child abusers on the planet From Australian country towns to schools in Ireland and cities across the US, the Catholic Church has faced an avalanche of child sexual abuse accusations in the last few decades. High-profile cases and harrowing testimony given to public inquiries have continued to keep the issue in the headlines. In the most recent development, a damning inquiry found that some 216,000 children in France had been sexually abused by members of the clergy since 1950. So dont act morally correct father Christmas worshippers

    • @Vee9990
      @Vee9990 5 годин тому

      Jumping through hoops to defend pxdophilia is crazy to me💀

  • @collybever
    @collybever 7 годин тому

    So many of these hadiths, including "sahih"., so rated as authentic by top Islamic scholars, back in history and still, are ridiculous and humourous, Allah sitting on a rooster in heaven, for instance. Possibly Mohammed was used like "Mullah Nasruddin" as a source of humour, as in maybe the rulers thought it was all fake, but a useful fiction to support their power as caliphs, alleged dynasties set up to rule after Mohammed, and so were OK with invention of their hadith authors, mocking ras'ullah, to amuse themselves. Islam in the 7C seems to really begin politically in the 690s under Abd-El-Malik, not 630, so it would seem considerable invention took place to support the political ambitions of the early caliphs, drunk on earthly power by the 690s.

  • @Somerandomguy8989
    @Somerandomguy8989 7 годин тому

    Cp 😂 the wannabe boogeyman of Father Christmas worshippers , his approach to critiquing Islam appeals to certain audiences due to its confrontational style, use of sarcasm, and seemingly detailed references to Islamic texts. However, upon closer examination, his arguments often rely on misinterpretations, cherry-picking, and a lack of contextual understanding. By addressing his claims thoughtfully and systematically, it becomes evident that many of his critiques can be refuted through a proper understanding of Islamic teachings, historical context, and linguistic nuances. Hello dere Cp how ya doing? 😂

    • @ogloc8845
      @ogloc8845 5 годин тому

      are you in drugs?!😂😂😂

  • @collybever
    @collybever 7 годин тому

    Surah 13.27 at 14:13 could be just the general biblical dilettantism, and convenience use of ideas in a slipshod fashion, by the all-too-human Quran author. "Allah leads astray whomever He wills, and He guides to Himself whoever repents". So he gets himself into an extreme predestination worldview, denying free will, that would make Allah amoral, and unfit to demand good and bad behaviour from us, since He was the Determiner of our conduct, anyway.

  • @ellinaskypros4433
    @ellinaskypros4433 7 годин тому

    muslim lantern biggest abdool certified donkey

  • @Vee9990
    @Vee9990 8 годин тому

    ◇sunnah.com/bukhari:3254

  • @Somerandomguy8989
    @Somerandomguy8989 9 годин тому

    Cp the Father Christmas son of himself worshipper approach to critiquing Islam appeals to certain audiences due to its confrontational style, use of sarcasm, and seemingly detailed references to Islamic texts. However, upon closer examination, his arguments often rely on misinterpretations, cherry-picking, and a lack of contextual understanding. By addressing his claims thoughtfully and systematically, it becomes evident that many of his critiques can be refuted through a proper understanding of Islamic teachings, historical context, and linguistic nuances. The Core Issue with Christian Prince’s Arguments 1. Deliberate Distortions: • Many of his claims are built on misrepresenting verses and Hadith, often twisting their meanings to portray Islam negatively. For instance, his interpretation of Surah At-Tawbah (9:5) as a call for violence ignores the historical context of treaties being broken and the defensive nature of the verse. • Similarly, his critiques of concepts like temporary marriage or slavery are presented without acknowledgment of their historical backdrop and Islam’s progressive movement toward abolishing such practices. 2. Mistranslations and Decontextualization: • His frequent reliance on flawed translations or decontextualized readings highlights either a lack of linguistic competence or a deliberate attempt to mislead his audience. For example, in discussions about marriage and the role of women in Islam, he overlooks verses that promote equality, compassion, and mutual respect, focusing instead on isolated phrases. 3. Superficial Understanding: • While Christian Prince may have familiarity with Islamic texts, his lack of engagement with scholarly interpretations (Tafsir), authentic Arabic linguistic analysis, and historical nuances renders his critiques shallow and often misleading. Easy to dissect this old mans mental issues 😂

    • @cornstar1253
      @cornstar1253 3 години тому

      Yah...keep telling yourself that 😅

    • @Somerandomguy8989
      @Somerandomguy8989 2 години тому

      @ hey corny man 😂 how ya doin my guy ?? Fuhggedaboutit

  • @freshstart-p8t
    @freshstart-p8t 9 годин тому

    in the quran ALLAH swt declares he is the creator over 2000 times, but not once does jesus pbuh say it once. end of debate.

    • @collybever
      @collybever 7 годин тому

      But Mohammed said Allah was "the best of the creators", so is there suggesting ther are many, possibly one could put that down to Mohammed's general verbal ineptitude. He's also when he has Allah supposedly speak, usually giving him the personal pronoun "We", so a plural (although that seems to me a mental trick, as if using "I" the imposture of it being a statement from God is clearer.) Also one has Surah 72 written by djinn, so it the Quran is uncreated and on tablets in heaven, djinn co-created with Allah, back in eternity, co-creators with Allah. But the content of the Quran cannot really be from the Creatpr, there are too many mistakes (such as a 7C semi-educated person would make.)

    • @freshstart-p8t
      @freshstart-p8t 6 годин тому

      @@collybever djinn are demons, but if you are a religious person no matter the religion then you know demons exist, why would the creator not mention his creation whether it's demons or not? in many surahs he mentions that he created hell specifically for demons and those who follow them enter therein. Of course the once who created demons also known as jinns will be mentioned. that's that. and when you said " we" or " us" ALLAH swt is referring to him and his angels. ALLAH is one. Angels have a significant part in creation for the angel gabriel took the dirt from earth to ALLAH swt. as well as the angels have a significant role in creating parts of the heavens. as well as we believe angels are the ones who blow the spirit into the womb. Also the angels will also play a role on the day of judgement with records being recorded by angels. This concept of "we" and "us" is referring to ALLAH swt and his angels hope that answers your questions.

    • @Nola-2000
      @Nola-2000 4 години тому

      If he is the Creator he wouldn't have said errors on Creation. We don't have such errors in our Bible. He encountered what you call an high ranking "djinn" or "sheitan" himself. They love to be called either God or Angel of God but they don't have the knowledge of the Almighty.

  • @davisnicholls8714
    @davisnicholls8714 9 годин тому

    Satan pissed in Muhammads tongue.

  • @yekyekregis9748
    @yekyekregis9748 10 годин тому

    It is true.

  • @FerdinandKroukamp
    @FerdinandKroukamp 12 годин тому

    a scholar is a person who has not yet completed school.

  • @Fastbenefits-y4p
    @Fastbenefits-y4p 13 годин тому

    Islam is a dirty joke.

  • @zeze-x123
    @zeze-x123 18 годин тому

    wow this is gold!!😮🔥

  • @RyanGazling
    @RyanGazling 18 годин тому

    😂 This is hilarious!

  • @Vee9990
    @Vee9990 22 години тому

    》sunnah.com/bukhari:5134 》sunnah.com/bukhari:6130 》sunnah.com/muslim:715f

  • @oknahh
    @oknahh День тому

    Who told cp destiny was part of the pro palistinian mess. He spent the last year defending Israel,he went all the way to Israel to help them with pr despite the death threat for supporting Israel. He's got hundreds of hours of him on live reading documents,books,foot notes, etc.

  • @clydewaldo3144
    @clydewaldo3144 4 дні тому

    Kissing stones and zum zum water belief absolutely ridiculous and false

  • @lyft4238
    @lyft4238 5 днів тому

    7:11 Career ended 14:07 Second death of career

  • @minidig523
    @minidig523 10 днів тому

    Islam ,stay away, violence religion

  • @Ma1q444
    @Ma1q444 11 днів тому

    CP should have had been more peaceful it could have been a better conversation destiny is not like the abdols.

  • @pressanykey3228
    @pressanykey3228 12 днів тому

    destroyed the soy

  • @titaniumgamer_10
    @titaniumgamer_10 13 днів тому

    God I love cp

  • @stevenalvarez2924
    @stevenalvarez2924 14 днів тому

    Well you see, when you want to make peace with a bully and decide we will meet at X neutral location to discuss peace, yet refuse to go to the location for peace... Why, it's safe to assume you refused the Olive Branch because it was never your objective to have peace in the first place. Wow, it's almost like cartoons and movies discussed this simple topic of mental exercise so many times before....

  • @Hamdan999-w2u
    @Hamdan999-w2u 15 днів тому

    If you read the Quran you will be proud of being a muslim but if you really understand the Quran you are proud of being an ex muslim I'm an ex muslim from Malaysia

  • @hitv6435
    @hitv6435 17 днів тому

    JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY

  • @bvon5630
    @bvon5630 19 днів тому

    Chicken defending KFC. Islam heaven is brothel

  • @jccurtis9431
    @jccurtis9431 19 днів тому

    Destiny= "Is this fun for you" ( Showing everyone how you do nothing but twist the truth to fit your narrative, Yes, I'm sure it is fun for him.)

  • @TheAbele992
    @TheAbele992 19 днів тому

    CP is a fool, so is Destiny too, but when he's yapping about Palestinians wanting to kill everyone who does not believe in Islam, is he deliberately ignoring about the significant Palestinian Christian population? Imagine throwing your fellow Christian brothers, Arab christians, for a bunch of rat-faced juden.

    • @TheAbele992
      @TheAbele992 19 днів тому

      By the way, I'm far more freightned of the jewish world order, which we already live under and is only getting stronger, than I am the muslim one. However both are shit, I agree, and I want a CHRISTIAN world order

  • @TheAbele992
    @TheAbele992 19 днів тому

    To be honest both don't really know what they're talking about in regards to this issue.

    • @Vee9990
      @Vee9990 19 днів тому

      @@TheAbele992 I'm sure you have all the answers right!!😃😃

    • @TheAbele992
      @TheAbele992 19 днів тому

      @Vee9990 I know more about it than these two fools

  • @sultanahamed2484
    @sultanahamed2484 20 днів тому

    People say cp is not biological being he is like jibreal cp knows all fabricated manipulated false fake knowledge to land himself in hell

  • @ladyt3405
    @ladyt3405 20 днів тому

    😂

  • @Melay-b4x
    @Melay-b4x 20 днів тому

    Hahahahahahahaha call up on me I will respond to you.....WHAT????????