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kinda crazy to not even mention that cade is 3rd league-wide in assists and triple doubles this year...

Gradey, baby!!

It’s insane to have Mobley ahead of Chet. Chet has the ceiling of being a near All NBA player strictly on offense. He combines that with DPOY level defense. His archetype is the most valuable in the league behind A+ offensive initiator. Cher broke two bones after never having an injury pre NBA. The foot is worrying. The hip is not. I’d worry more about Mobley’s meniscus than Chet’s injuries.

yee yr 2 of this boston team still had jb jt n tro on rookie deals, kyrie, gordon, al, smart, rob williams n a ton of picks. that team was the championship favorite. they massively under achieved and we lost kyrie for nothing that summer (couldnt have seen that coming to start the yr) ....we still went to 4 more ecfs n 2 titles in the 5 yrs since. n btw we still have a 5-10 yr window of contention a head of us along w 6 firsts n a bunch of seconds to help sustain the winning run relative to this okc team i think this boston team did a better job of managing the 2 timeline thing while retaining picks n flexibility. and then okc being in the west... its not clear to me that okc wins more than the current celtics run. its all potential rn

I had this idea while listening to your description of Sarr’s shooting, or lack thereof - it would be fun to see a segment where you dig up old clips of your descriptions of teams or players, then have you guys listen and try to guess who you were describing. It could be a good segue into retrospectives. Anyway, great pod as always!!

That's a bad man!

More game footage please, I like seeing the plays you're talking about when you analyze them

The hustle!

Great commentary as always!

hearing danny say luka played v good defense threw me there a lil lol. good defense for luka maybe. he did a good job digging down as the low man but wasnt covering a ton of ground in rotation. n i thought he did his best to be physical at the poa but even then guys got by eventually so mavs were sending the big over early which led to some great looks for the thunder. late in the game the effort waned n he didnt provide much resistance at all. could never understand where the narrative that luka was a good defender came from last yr. no1 corrected it early enough so eventually seeped into the nba zeitgeist but that was crazy as hell to me. i get it we all root for luka but like yall say w trae theres a big difference between improved and good

yooo that pause and confusion😭

12:51 that’s straight out of comedy movie 😂😂😂 they just stop talking and stare at each other while vast amounts of barking ensues 😂😂😂

this Giannis disrespect is frankly bizarre

Doesn’t win enough. You can’t have a double standard for Jokic this year when you said that about Luka last year.

How long will it take for the duncd on team to realize strong castle is good? I believe Danny had him 20 on the board and Nate hated him as well

Well I have no clue where Danny stands on this cuz he caves to Nate’s opinion 100% of the time. It’s a flaw of having this in my rotation for nba content. Idc honestly cuz they are both flawed (Nate I guess). They will laugh and make crazy declarations 15 games into any season.

Fox News: 2024-25 NBA MVP odds: Nikola Jokic: +180 (bet $10 to win $28 total) Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: +320 (bet $10 to win $42 total) Jayson Tatum: +500 (bet $10 to win $60 total) Giannis Antetokounmpo: +700 (bet $10 to win $80 total) Anthony Davis: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total)

The true MVP is Kevin Durant. 11-2 with him and 1-7 without him. They already gave jokic the 2022 MVP that should have gone to kd. I always hear jokic fans use the argument that without Jokic their team sucks. Well that's true but they aren't that great with him either. In comparison with kd the suns are actually a top 3 seed and when be doesn't play they are pretty much the wizards.

basically im skeptical bc at the end of the day the on/off concept is essentially a sample of total game/szn/career data that overlaps with an individual players minutes - it doesnt prove causation. where as i know for sure that a player's ts% is influenced directly by that players performance. factoring a stat like ts% into a players impact on winning is a much more transparent process. i feel that the on/off stats can add an unnecessary layer of opacity that can easily lead to misinterpretation if ppl lean n them too much. on/off can hint at value hidden by the traditional box score but ultimately you still have to discover it watching the game. i feel the in game discoveries are a more valuable and convincing discussion point than these stats that ppl seem to jump to immediately now days to build or defend their view again thats how i see it from my limited perspective. is there anything im missing?

When regular stats said someone else, you use advance stats to say Jokic. When someone is winning, you say Jokic has no help. Jokic is not MVP. We need to start looking at Giannis or a player on a team with a better record. Giannis leads the league in PERS.

You don't even have to go to advanced stats really. Jokic is 3rd in scoring, leading the league in rebounding at 13, 2nd in assists at 10.4, 8th in steals (a Center!). He's 2nd in the league in 3pt % at .522. And his team is so bad when he's not on the court that they struggle to beat the worst teams in the league. To say that he's the runaway MVP by any sane measure is an understatement. He's having an elite Hall of Fame season. And he's doing it because his teammates are trash without him and he has to play 37 minutes a night for the Nuggets to have any chance! Nobody in NBA history besides Oscar Robertson in 1962 and Russell Westbrook's MVP season has averaged a 30pt triple double, but Jokic is doing it! It's just absolutely nuts that he's improved his game from his 3rd MVP season last year but we're witnessing it!

Thanks again for answering the question guys! What I heard was: look for a solid sample size before trusting, be skeptical of outlier numbers - they require extraordinary explanations, and use your brain - which is fair! lol. I have a few follow up thoughts/questions: -are some metrics better at isolating a players impact on winning than others (do some account for more relevant context than others) n why? - do you feel there are a couple metrics that when used together, accurately rank players within a 85/90% confidence interval? - are there fool proof tells, statistically or when watching, that let you know not to trust the data? - do y’all have a mental framework that separates what all-in-one metrics are good at and bad at?

Burying ayton like ya’ll did from a 15 game sample size on contest % which will normalize (he was also injured) while he averages 15/10/1/1/1 is crazy and just straight mean spirited .

love these discussions. id say esp when it comes to awards itd be helpful to talk through how yall use and value the "advanced" stats or on/off based stuff. bc i think many dont fully understand them whether they believe in them or not

i like danny consider what the most important skillset for a players position when evaluating. so how do yall think abt jokics rim protection specifically?

Probably the worst thing that happened to NBA discourse is the absurd reliance of on/off indicator, which take as long or longer thab 3-pt% to normalize. It takes at least a season. You two are supposed to be intelligent enough to ask the question: How big a sample size do I need for my +/- numbers to become increasingly valid?

Danny with the shower curtains kills me 😂

Love your stuff....enjoy the stats stuff

The fact that the Spurs have a chance to “win and you’re in” is amazing. If the spurs win this group that would be absolutely shocking

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Duncan’s hate boner for Harden is irritating.

It’s kind of off putting you hysterically laugh at a totally serviceable center like Ayton based on one statistic.

Firs... shoot. Second!

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Was this shot making metric (eerily similar to lockes PAC he wouldn’t stop talking about for yesrs) actually pioneered by him? Is this the progression of something he made or am I tripping?

Take a shot every time Danny creates a run-on sentence with "and."

Anybody flying into Dulles deserves what they get lol it’s not that much cheaper

My face when Clingan gets more blocks in a game than ayton has this season and it's by 3. 😂

I’d really like to ask Nate how he truly feels, the reception he’s gotten in the basketball community in the last 3yrs and how his business is doing. Nate was undeniably the most ardent Jokic skeptic. Everyone can be wrong, the issue I had with his takes pre-title was it was devoid of context(esp. with Nuggets injuries) and entirely dismissive of his playoff performances which were historic even then.

Why does everyone keep calling Jokic the best "regular season" player in the league? If I recall, during their championship run, Jokic was breaking Wilt Chamberlain records, and setting many other all time post season records. Unfortunately, with the exception of that championship team which was all about chemistry, Jokic mostly plays with a bunch of bums that would be average players on every other team in the league. He's just as dominate in the playoffs, but he doesn't have the supporting cast for consistent playoff success as a team.

0 mention of Christian Braun and how well hes played. Genuinely how?

Please watch the games guys. The numbers tell 5% of the story

They need to watch the game to see those unbelievable passes

Do you think Stefon castle is the best player in the 2024 draft?

This seems like two guys looking at the stat boxes only (and even then not even the ones current thru the Mavs game) rather than watching ANY of the actual games?

2:14 peyton watson’s shooting 39% from 3 fam

Greetings from Serbia. Joker is excellent player.

Was the biggest complaint with darvin ham his rotations or his schemes?

Injuries are skewing things early. Hard to get reads on the injury riddled teams. Don't care about the cup.