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Richard Moore - Engineering at Home
United Kingdom
Приєднався 21 вер 2021
Welcome to my channel! I'm Richard Moore and I enjoy creating and repairing things using a variety of techniques and disciplines. What's more I enjoy sharing what I do with you here on UA-cam so you can join me on the journey.
A trained engineer by profession, I have been lucky enough to work in all kinds of engineering disciplines over the past 40 years from machine shop to electrical shop to electronics and software engineering.
My channel is about Engineering at Home. Using readily available and affordable tools and materials to make interesting things and to generally have some fun in the workshop.
A trained engineer by profession, I have been lucky enough to work in all kinds of engineering disciplines over the past 40 years from machine shop to electrical shop to electronics and software engineering.
My channel is about Engineering at Home. Using readily available and affordable tools and materials to make interesting things and to generally have some fun in the workshop.
Should you flatten your wood planes with the iron fitted?
Many people say that when you flatten the sole of your woodworking plane that you should do so with the iron fitted. The idea being that if you remove the iron to flatten the plane, when you re-fit it the sole of the plane might be distorted by it.
What do you think?
In this video I take 3 different planes, flatten them to within a few ten thousandths of an inch with the irons out, re-fit the irons and re-check them for flatness.
Checkout the follow up video short here that directly measures the visible differences between the before and after blue patterns in ten thousandths of an inch. ua-cam.com/users/shortsSgJ8aznef1w?feature=share
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What do you think?
In this video I take 3 different planes, flatten them to within a few ten thousandths of an inch with the irons out, re-fit the irons and re-check them for flatness.
Checkout the follow up video short here that directly measures the visible differences between the before and after blue patterns in ten thousandths of an inch. ua-cam.com/users/shortsSgJ8aznef1w?feature=share
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Surface Plate - ebay.us/2yrNIh
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How flat are my hand scraped woodworking planes after a year of use?
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I have a couple of woodworking planes that I hand scraped flat to within about 0.0002" of an inch of flatness about a year ago. I thought it would be interesting to measure just how flat they still are and put a number on it. 👍 A huge thank you to my Patreon subscribers - you help make this channel possible! patreon.com/RadBoogie Handy Links Engineers Blue - amzn.to/3XoBMSM Rubber Roller - ebay...
Restoring the Hand Shaper Part 3 - And there was much hand scraping of iron!
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I was lucky enough to pickup this awesome 70 year old hand shaper on facebook marketplace only a 40 minute drive from me and for £120. It's going to need a bit of a cleanup but is in great working condition so join me as I show you how it works and then devise a plan to restore it (but with no chrome wing mirrors). In Part 3 I get down to some serious hand scraping of the iron bed and table, so...
Accurate to 0.0001" for less than $50
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If you want an instrument that can measure the height of a part from 3/8" to 12" down to 1/10,000 of an inch then have a look at getting a height micrometer. Often known as a Cadillac Gage, a Pla-Chek or a Height Master these amazingly precise tools are available for next to no money on eBay and facebook marketplace. Once the preserve of inspection departments, the advent of digital height gaug...
Restoring a Woodworking Bench - Part 5
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I recently acquired a fine little woodworking bench from facebook marketplace and intend to do a mild restoration to tidy it up and make it useable. In Part 5 the vices get installed into the bench, I make a new set of Beech vice jaws using hand tools and make a start on fixing up the bench tops. ✅ SUPPORT THE CHANNEL ON PATREON - patreon.com/RadBoogie ✅ ⭐ ITEMS I USED ⭐ Gunk Ultra Degreaser - ...
Restoring a Woodworking Bench - Part 4
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I recently acquired a fine little woodworking bench from facebook marketplace and intend to do a mild restoration to tidy it up and make it useable. In Part 4 it's time to get the two No.52 Record Vices restored to their former glory and get them ready to re-attach to the bench. ⭐ ITEMS I USED ⭐ Gunk Ultra Degreaser - amzn.to/4eoEhfd Bartoline TX10 Paint Stripper - amzn.to/3ZL2RT5 Deox-C Derust...
The best derusting solution I have found - full demo and conclusions...
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I've used a lot of derusting solutions over the years, some commercially available, some homebrewed from household items. But this one is the best I have found so far. Only costs about £1 GBP per litre, very effective, non toxic, bio-degradable - what's not to like? ✅ Buy it on Amazon - amzn.to/4dOKa41 ⚠️ DO NOT DRINK ⚠️ THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC! Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): uppbeat...
Is it any good on metal paint?
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A mini review of Bartoline TX10 paint and varnish stripper for use on metal parts. When looking for a decent paint stripper to use on metal I found mixed reviews of this product. Many people said it worked well, others were not so complimentary. So I thought I'd try it and share my findings so that if you're also looking for a paint stripper to use on metal parts you can watch this and see for ...
Low Odour Degreaser - See it in action and judge for yourself.
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Recently I was looking for a low odour degreasing solution for my home workshop and came across Gunk Ultra. The reviews on Amazon looked pretty good but I couldn't find a video here on UA-cam showing what it was like to use so I decided to make one myself. So if you're wondering whether Gunk Ultra will be a good degreasing solution for you, check out this video and you can judge for yourself. G...
Restoring a woodworking bench - Part 3
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I recently acquired this fine little woodworking bench from facebook marketplace and intend to do a mild restoration to tidy it up and make it useable. Part 3 is where we get to clean up the tired old exterior surfaces and come up with a way of raising the height of the bench with a minimum of complexity. I'm using hand tools throughout this series, all powered by tea and elbow grease. Good exe...
Restoring the Hand Shaper Part 2 - Testing the accuracy and stripping it down.
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Restoring the Hand Shaper Part 2 - Testing the accuracy and stripping it down.
Restoring a woodworking bench - Part 2
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Restoring a woodworking bench - Part 2
Restoring a woodworking bench - Part 1
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70 Years old and still cutting it!
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70 Years old and still cutting it!
Make a Cast Iron Straight Edge for £20
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Make a Cast Iron Straight Edge for £20
Not what you think... Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Part 5
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Not what you think... Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Part 5
Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Flattening the Ski Jump - Part 4
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Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Flattening the Ski Jump - Part 4
Taking some shavings with a super flat plane...
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Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Down the rabbit hole - Part 3
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Flat to 0.0002" - Stanley No.5 Jackplane hand scraped...
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Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Still Hand Scraping - Part 2
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Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Still Hand Scraping - Part 2
Fixing the Mini Lathe Saddle - Hand Scraping - Part 1
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Upgrade your mini lathe to have friction dials in 5 minutes flat.
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Upgrade your mini lathe to have friction dials in 5 minutes flat.
A quick and easy way to set the tool height on your lathe using only basic tools.
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A quick and easy way to set the tool height on your lathe using only basic tools.
Mini Lathe Reverse Gear Noise Problem Fix - Part 4 Finale
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World's Smallest and Tallest Woodworking Bench...
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We used to use 'mil' in Australia to mean 0.001" as well when referring to the thickness of paint films in the days we used imperial units. I was working in the paint industry at the time Australia was switching to the metric system, so a lot of the old stagers would use imperial units. As a result I am quite 'bi-lingual'. I knew instantly what that bloke from NASA meant in the clip you showed. 5 mil in an o ring had to be 0.005". I never had any problems knowing which unit was meant when someone talked about a 'mil'; I could always tell from context.
@@jeffarmstrong1308 thanks for the info Jeff, interesting to hear the Aussie perspective on it 👍
Kindly, sir I'm arranging all the components; if I run into any problems while working on this project, could you please guide me..
Feel free to join the RadBoogie Discord server and ask any questions you may have in there - discord.gg/FJxYdzYCaG
This series was great! My lathe is having the same issue but in reverse of yours it's real tight near the chuck. You did a great job working your way through it. Perseverance pays off. Thank you for doing this. I'm sure this helped a lot of people👍
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it 👍 Best of luck with sorting out the problems on your lathe.
Sweet machine!
Very useful, and quick tutorial, it's what i searching for, thank you so much!
This is a terrific series; it made me feel like a student being taught by a master machinist!
Thanks John, really glad you enjoyed it 👍
Thank you so much, this saved me hours!
I don’t have a surface plate. I flatten my planes with sandpaper bonded to a piece of mdf. I am sure it isn’t “flat” to your specifications. I would be interested in seeing how flat the sole is after using common flattening techniques.
Yes, it would be interesting as a comparison. Lapping on MDF though I reckon should get you more than flat enough. It'd certainly get you to the point where you can plane something as flat as the MDF.
I think the wood is generally more bumpy than the metal!
Absolutely. The flatness of the plane is about 10 times smaller than the thickness of a super thin shaving.
I bought a No 5 second hand but unused. The sole was bowed like yours. Tried scraping it with a scraper made from an old file but gave up because the constant sharpening was tedious. You make me want return to it. BTW be very careful grinding carbide, the cobalt binder is toxic - heavy metal disease - dust collection at source and wear a mask.
I know how you feel. I scraped my first plane with a steel scraper, having to re-hone it after every pass was tedious in the extreme. I paid about £70 for my carbide scraper and I reckon it'd easily do two entire planes before a re-hone - totally worth it.
Love it 👌 thank you. Have you seen how the Japanese Kanna planes are set up to use? Very cool hollows to remove any effect a high spot might have on the surface areas. Jamie
Cheers mate. I've never had my hands on a Kanna plane but was watching a Jim Kingshott video the other day where he was talking about the hollows in the sole. I might have to try replicating that on a Stanley as it'd be relatively easy to achieve via metal scraping 👍
Those changes won’t matter. They’re so small. In fact I’d love to see you use the same setup on an actual piece of wood (maybe pine or beechwood) and I’ll bet the wood would show how uneven a freshly planed piece is proving that even the wood itself has inconsistency. I hope that made sense.
Checkout the follow up video short here that directly measures the visible differences between the before and after blue patterns in ten thousandths of an inch. ua-cam.com/users/shortsSgJ8aznef1w?feature=share
Hi Richard. I love that you've made this video. I'm at 8:23 and I'd say the heavier amount of blue behind the mouth shows that there actually is more contact in that area and it dies pay to flatten the soles with the frog and iron in. Also worth noting is some people set thd frogs up with the iron just touching (or very close to) the rear bevel if the mouth. In clamping the iron, this could (and I've examples) crack the casting. So it's about the set up, as well as the general pressure in my opinion. I'll continue to lap the soles with everything in place.. Why? Because it's familiar. We push planes around in their complete form, so why not. Great video BTW. I'll watch the rest now. Jamie
So another point worth mentioning is you got more behind the mouth on all three examples. So I'd say there is a very slight movement. But if the plane was slightly bowed and as tested you rocked very slightly on the area behind the mouth. Then that would show as the results. I think we need a part Two. Not just looking at the blue coverage. But a straight line from toe to heel and see if the mouth area is higher. I believe it would be. I love this stuff. Keep up the brilliant videos, your doing amazing. You've got this 👍 Jamie
Cheers Jamie, thanks for joining the discussion and bringing your expertise and experience mate 👍 It was a tough call when making the video to play down the visible changes but my experience in scraping and surface plate suggested the changes were negligible. To illustrate this I've just uploaded a quick short using a different setup where we can directly measure the distortion - ua-cam.com/users/shortsSgJ8aznef1w?feature=share The plane isn't bowed as the scraping process prevents this from being an issue, it's difficult to explain but as you scrape the metal down you get a feel for the 3D shape you are flattening and once you get blue all over you know you are pretty much dead flat. When setting up for the short I ran the test indicator over the whole surface and it was all within about 0.0003" of flatness. I reckon you're spot on about the frog and that is probably the cause of most people's woes. If the frog isn't perfectly mated to the sole it's likely to bend it when tightened or even adjusted. Having the frog too far back and the iron resting on the back of the mouth would definitely cause problems, maybe I'll have to do a video on frog in vs frog out vs frog too far back 👍
Hi Richard @@radboogie I didn't get a notification of this message 🤔 Weird. Anyhow yes. I'll look at the short. Also, 1, the tightness of the frog 2, the mating of frog too as you said. I don't think there's much in it at all. But it might come down to the end user. One of my guys had planing problems, and that was super fine adjustment made too much difference. That caused me to stop him trying to plane the wood and find out what was wrong. And that was the symptom to the flat sole problem. So after all the lapping, if you've got complete control in your adjusting then it's not far off perfect 👌 Jamie
@@radboogie "you get a feel for the 3D shape you are flattening". A precision woodworker (youtuber Edgar Russ) observed that most of his work can be automated or done by assistants but the more time he spends working hands-on with an instrument the better his feel for it and the better the results.
Spot on, I think it's the process of becoming at one with the tool that I find so rewarding 👍
When you set the plane up to check with the test indicator (4:27) , you do a lot of fixturing work, since you're supporting it from the irregular side. It's (much) easier to fixture it with the sole downwards - I use a V block at one end and a small screw jack at the other, which provides adjustable angle 3 support. You then run your test indicator on the underside. This is MUCH less clear for expositional purposes, but a lot easier to set up.
Thanks Paul. I used that technique in the original video where I scraped it but limited space only allowed me to sweep the edges.
It’s interesting that the changes or lack of them is of a magnitude that the woodworker is not working to. I had a Stanley number 6 that was unusable. After watching videos about flattening the sole I put a ruler to it and the sole was concave. I put an old sanding belt on my edge sander. After sparks flying for a while I got it as flat as the metal rule showed. We are not talking thous here. It’s been perfectly usable ever since. It says a lot for my edge sander too😀.
Ideal 👍 Yes, the reason for measuring down to ten thousandths was to be way below the usual tolerance for wood planes. Crazy levels of flatness aren't required but also don't hurt, but at the end of the day flat enough is good enough.
Beautiful work! I've got a couple of old Stanley planes that could use the same treatment. Do you mind sharing where you sourced your scraper blades and scraper itself?
Thanks 👍 No problem, the scraper and inserts came from a British UA-camr @ImpracticalMachinist who sells them on ebay: Carbide Hand Scrapers - ebay.us/uKTQmc Carbide Scraper Inserts - ebay.us/FZUxmO There's a full length video about the scraping of the plane here - ua-cam.com/video/z0ACMMm-ZGc/v-deo.html
@@radboogie Brilliant, thanks very much for the links. Much appreciated!
RTX on!
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Bro this is awesome
Please, make one for me :)
What are you using to scrape?
It's a carbide metal scraping tool. ebay.us/uKTQmc
Thanks Richard, that looks like a great vice eventually, let's say it has potential ! 😉
Cheers, I got it restored and there's a couple of pictures of it over on the community page.
Thanks Richard, the bench is coming along nicely, looking forward to seeing the end result. So glad you managed to remove some of the staining, I was thinking it's such shame that after all your hard work there is still that big oil stain at the end, if you have any stubborn remaining stains you could try some Oxalic acid (available from chemists or online) or you could try some bar-keepers friend (widely available) as that contains Oxalic acid too !
Thanks Andy, yes most of the oil stain has gone along with the horrible smell of stale oil. I don't mind grease monkeying around with engines but when oil gets that manky it's pretty off-putting. Cheers for the tip on the Oxalic acid, I might have to get hold of some as the other slab will need a similar treatment 👍
Thanks Richard, they came out well, without doing an over-the-top restoration, when I did mine I got away without repainting the front jaw either and I quite like the aged look, mine was a little older and the blue was slightly darker (and surprisingly soft) so I just cleaned it up with steel-wool and solvent and then waxed it. If you want to avoid any further mushrooming from the Tommy bar banging around you can wrap a thick elastic band ( or an offset of inner tube ) around each end !
Cheers Andy, that's a good idea about the bar. I might see about getting some O-Rings cheap off eBay which should do the trick 👍
So you are saying that when I surface grind my planes, I don't need to have my irons in? 😅
I wouldn't want to vouch for the frog though 😂
Thanks Richard, somehow I lost you for a couple of months but glad I'm back, the bench is starting to take shape now, looking forward to seeing the end result. The Brace and bits were a great find, they're often in poor condition and badly in need of sharpening, which is another skill to learn !
Welcome back Andy - thanks 👍
Too much room for error in translating a measure through the dial gauge instead of a direct reading.
That was fascinating! Thanks for sharing your expertise
Ii would suggest that flattening blade in would cause no harm. While a poor casting might move more than a good one. And even a slightly cracked sided coul cause real trouble. So on balance I would do it blade in anyway. It is no extra trouble.
As you've mentioned, flattening a plane to the tolerances you have is quite unnecessary in terms of flatness. However, having a "slippery" finish so the plane will move more freely on the wood is a huge advantage.(some woodworkers will even apply a hard wax to the sole) Also, a lot of hand tool woodworkers use a plane on a shooting board, which requires the plane to slide on its side. So having the side flat, "slippery" and perpendicular to the sole is an advantage.
Such an engineering flex to flattening them by scraping instead of just using 220 sandpaper...
Lol, I use the technique on planes mainly for scraping practice. Plus I really don't enjoy lapping on sandpaper 😂
@@radboogie I wonder how flat 220 paper would be comparatively.
It would depend mostly on how flat the surface your resting on is. Float glass is supposed to be very flat. I'd be surprised if you couldn't get to half a thousandth with abrasive paper on a flat surface.
@@radboogie I've used a granite windowsill before, it's nice and long. seemed flat enough.
Flat enough is good enough 👍
Love this, but it's left me horribly conflicted. I have a huge urge to give it a go, but I know my planes are flat enough! Perhaps one to add to the "Projects to do when all the other projects are done" list.
It's way over the top in terms of accuracy, for me though it was a great opportunity to practice the technique on something that didn't matter too much. And I really love the end result 👍 A good way to start is to get hold of a cheap rusty old plane at a flea market or car boot sale.
@@radboogie First step is to get a scraper :)
@@robnichols9331 that can be harder than it sounds 😉
Maybe not on regular bench plane. But the lever cap does affects shoulder plane sole flatness
Interesting.
dude i feel stupid now too just had this happen to me lol
thank ya
Crazy that this is till an issue in Blender! Glad it helped 👍
great thing to consider, now excuse me i need to resharpen my blades on all wooden planes that i use hopefully few thousands wont kill me with humidity expading wood
The "tension" myth is just a hangover from the time of wooden planes. I would be interested in seeing a flatness comparison of wood planes with and without the irons.
I’m interested too. But to be fair it also depends on how well the wooden wedge is fitted.
AFAIK hand/manual shapers were only ever used in the hobby/model side of engineering.
This particular model was definitely aimed at the model engineering market, but other makes may have seen professional use in earlier times and in different parts of the World.
Would be a cool display piece to have in the shop 😎
It's make a great talking point. We just had the inlaws visit and the father in law used to be a machinist. He was quite fascinated by it - had never seen one before 👍
Yeah, this is the kind of content I subscribed for 👌
Nice one - thanks 👍
Thanks for this! I too was sceptical but did flattening with the iron in just in case. I wont in the future though! I wonder how much difference having the frog installed makes? I believe that would be more relevant yet likely not enough to worry about still.
I reckon the frog could make a much bigger difference if you adjust it. Either re-positioning it or slackening and re-tightening the screws. The mating surface between frog and sole is going to be very variable between different planes and might well be out of flatness which would create stress.
Excellent. I believe that's the most accurate demonstration of accuracy exposing the "lack of accuracy in a flattened assembled plane body" myth I've seen! 🙂
Thanks Andy, hopefully people will find it useful to see the results with their own eyes rather than relying on hearsay 👍
@@radboogie To most it should be clear but the naysayers will still say the blue isn't perfectly laid or varies in thickness or you didn't wave one leg in the air when testing or whatever. You'll never convince them that being flat to 1/10 of the thickness of the finest cell wall of the material you are trying to smooth is good enough!
@andygardiner6526 😂
Never believed this myth, but I'd always flatten a plane with the blade in so it's a little heavier. Personal preference for the feel. Interesting vid.
Thanks Jason, as you say it's a matter of preference really.
Lets face it, we all use planes in workshops that vary in temperature and humidity from just above zero to plus 20s. That will have more effect than anything. If you take humidity readings on a plank of wood the HC will vary from one part to the other, so no matter how flat your sole is it makes little to no difference.
I think temperature is more of a factor as you say. As long as the sole is "flat enough" and doesn't have any sharp edges it's more down to the sharpness of the blade.
5:10 maybe the cause for that high spot behind the mouth is that the frog rocks on the plane body and only touches on 3 points instead of all 4. Thanks for clarifying, I suspected that it was bs, maybe wooden planes are a different story though.
I agree, most of the problems people encounter with flatness are more likely to be caused by adjusting the frog where the frog doesn't mate perfectly with the sole.
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Fascinating study. Thank you for bridging the divide between the precision of metal machining and the close-enough of wood working.
Thanks Elaine, I really enjoy bringing the two disciplines together 👍
Hi Richard, I personally don,t think it matters too much, another great vid, stay well mate Regards Mike
Cheers Mike, glad you enjoyed it 👍