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The answer is free will, God gave us free will. Now it’s time to try some Piers Anthony…

I have my doubts that you read a thousand plus page book in one day

I like the Stanley’s Parable

god, thank you for reminding me these books exist. have a sub, that 45 minute video fuckin earned it

Every body misses something from the gunslinger. Roland clearly says that this telling of the story is his 5th time through the cycle. I don't believe Roland is being punished necessarily but that his journey has to take place to keep the gears turning. He himself is just another cog in the machine. Kind of like Neo from the matrix. He is not a hero. He is a necessity.

My takeaway was that Roland's only escape is to turn away from his quest for the tower. Which is something he can not do.

I know how addictive a good Stephen King book can be. I read the four novel collection "The Bachman Books" in a single day in 1986. Took me 3 weeks t o read all seven Dark Towers in succession. That sounds like a long time for fast readers but it averages 195 pages a day.

I had to write my own ending to the series so I'd stop feeling nausea over the terrible, gimmicky, cowardly way King decided to give the middle finger to his fans! Seriously, it made me physically ill for weeks...I contemplated finding some antidepressants...just a sucker punch the undercarriage. I never so much wanted for King to drive the couple of hours from Bangor to Woodstock, get in a car accident where I find him, save him, then force him to do a rewrite in an isolated cabin. There's being artistically unique and existential and then there is what King did...nothing...he did nothing.

All SK books have messed up endings. I assumed they were in a time loop but may have broke it finally.

Deadpool aint got shit on Roland. Best anti hero ever! 🤘

I agree that this is Hell for him but I believe that each time he’s given the same choices, he has the opportunity to change them. Whether or not he ever does, is another story. 😎

I love how the dark tower is the center of the stephen king universe and all books connect to either directly or indirectly to the dark tower like in It we have the turtle beam and the Stand they actually go into that world in the dark tower novels then the biggest connection Salems lot with the preacher and vampires.

"Ask yourself, if Hell is a real place, do you think this man deserves to escape from it?" Yes. For the same reason I dont believe in Christianity. Infinite punishment for a crime committed in a finite lifespan is definitionally cruel. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Your theory is he is in Hell which insinuates a Heaven and God exist in this theory. Any God who would allow his creation to suffer eternally for being deceived in a finite human lifespan by an entity even GOD calls the "Great Deceiver"(whom he created knowing he would deceive) is worthy themselves of that Hell. There can be no God who is both loving and creates this scenario and traps his creation into it. The cavalier way you said that line is itself more sinister than you realize. Eternal suffering is a punishment for which no crime can warrant. To think so is to not have put much thought into it.

I still can't believe some people didn't like Idris Elba in this role. I mean I get it they didn't want s black guy but look at him. He's handsome. If the choices were Idris, or say, Ron Howard's brother, who would be the better choice?

Nice try disciple of The Crimson King.

Circle series by Ted Dekker. Thomas Hunter gets the Roland Loop.

Your Theory sucks. You're linking this story to some other story.

Ending sucked. King has trouble sticking the ending often. Love the first two acts, the third not so much. Walter being wrote off sucked too.

Was soooooooo disappointed with the movie...they asked Stephen King in some interview about what he thought about the actor playing Roland. He said that was how he always imagined him looking....so why all the character art in the books of the gunslinger looking like Clint Eastwood?! In Kings defense..what else could he have said?

yes it sounds familiar, it sounds like SK is dressing the same thing up in new clothes and sells it to all his fans, and the fans drink it as if it is the newest thing each time.

Everytime Roland goes through the loop it's a little different, that alone implies an end to the loop is possible. Also as far as letting jake die, or betraying his friends, yes it's incredibly tragic, but ultimately one or a handful of lives doesn't outweigh the world let alone the multiverse

Roland should be thankful he is not aware of the loop. If he were aware of the loop, his hair would be gray and his eyes hollow shells as of a man who was infinitely older than his age. Because he would know that the journey to the tower, as long as it seems, is really nothing more than, I suppose… A jaunt. You know why, don’t you? The amount of time that the loop has been looping is, simply… “Longer than you think, Dad. Longer than you think!!!”

It's a mistake to think King points out the horn is nessissary>missed>then reconciled in the opening of "The End". AND! So much of your damnation is tied to Jake's death. Jake gives consent: "Go...there are other worlds..." and what about risking EVERYTHING to save the Calla from the wolves? Roland IS A GOOD GUY; who does the dirty work. That's my take anyway.

Roland is, ultimately, selfish. There is no doubt about that. But I think your interpretation is incorrect as most are. Roland is not selfish in that he is willing to sacrifice everything to obtain the tower for the sake of the Tower. Rather, Roland is selfish in his pursuit of absolution. Witness Jake. Roland let Jake die, yes. But he risked the Tower to save him and love hin as his son. Witness Eddie. Eddie, in his addiction, was a direct threat to Roland's journey. Yet Roland risks the Tower to heal him. Witness Susannah/Mia. Like Eddie, she is a threat to the Journey but Roland and the others risk the Journey to make her whole. And why? Because Roland is seeking and, bit by bit, earning absolution for his sins in a previous and long distant life. This is ulutimately represented at the end of the final novel when Roland begins his journey with the Horn of Eld. He was literally correcting a very self-serving error in a previous cycle by doing so. Furthermore, King (in the book itself) clearly states that as the Beams repair themselves, so will the world reset itself. Thus resetting the entire chain of events but always allowing for moments of absolution. In short, is Roland selfish? Yes. But with each turning of the wheel of Ka, he becomes less so bit by bit. Which leads me to this theory: Roland is not who we think he is; a tortured, ill fated Gunslinger. No. Rather Roland is Arthur of Eld himself journeying through Purgatory seeking absolution for his single minded pursuit of the Grail i.e. represented by the Black Tower which ultimately led to the destruction of his kingdom/the world via neglect of his duties as a King.

In real life every generation must "save the dark tower all over again". Not gonna back up this read. I just like it, if I have to make a positive out of a not so positive book ending that's how I'd do it.

Roland is Always going to make the wrong choices. Hubris is one of the main concepts you're supposed to take away from this.

He said so many times before the accident that it would take at least 23 books to tell the story right. Total cope that peopl ate this nonsense end.

You mean Nobel Prize in pigeon shit.

You're no Robin Furth, homie. You know? The person Stephen King said knew more about Dark Tower lore than he does? And bro, pop those "p's" a little more gently.

Doesn’t the fact that Roland having the horn at the End/New Beginning undermine the infinite casualty loop? Your argument is based on other story references wherein the author “damns” the characters to reliving their lives WITHOUT the hope of the possibility of change, to right their wrongs, and thus earn redemption. This contrast is hard to ignore and dismiss given the fact that something DOES change in Roland’s next purgatorial sequence, thus defeating your argument.

Wait you only got 1 video on your channel on this series?? You did such a good job on this I assumed you had made dozens of other videos on the tower haha

I always saw the circle of ka as the Buddhist wheel of Samsara. Roland is proceeding through countless lifetimes of death and rebirth. Each time, if he lives a virtuous life, he comes closer to transcending the wheel into nirvana. Having the horn of eld into the next iteration brings him incrementally closer to this end.

After all of these years people are still trying to defend King's MASSIVE fumble. In the last 2 books King destroyed almost everything he built in the series. King lost the plot when he put himself in the books.

While I am a fan, isn't it a little pretentious for King to say his view of hell is different? Seems like it is just the punishment of Sisyphus.

Yes the typical King fan.."Family Guy, is also great writing.." 🤣

I read the gunslinger and the drawing of the 3 in 1989 when I was 11, on a trip to Cozumel Mexico. I was sold immediately. I read the wastle lands, and wizard and glass first chance I got, and I bought wolves of the calla the day it came out. I scratched my head a little but enjoyed it. Then song of susannah came out, and the series jumped the shark for me. I still read song of susannah and the dark tower, and still enjoyed it, but it just wasn’t the same. I didn’t even know until today that their was a book after the dark tower, nor do I care, ill read it at some point, but just because that’s what I do

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Good vid, don't fully agree with everything but I think that is the beauty of it, and I think we are both right in our assumptions. Ld, pn my friend.

The first book was the only thing that was great in the whole series. I read the whole series, and I hated every other book after it.

This would make an incredible bloodbourne/soulslike video. With a ton of replay value

Very interesting watch. My personal interpretation of the ending was formed by King interjecting before the last part, almost urging the reader to stop there. I thought of this as if the reader is tied to the story. Almost as if we are some outside force in the story in a subtle way, we are part of the story just as King wrote himself in.To me the only way to truly end the loop is for the reader to stop when Roland entered his tower. Im not the best at explaining concepts like this but hopefully Ive made sense.

Eh nah roland in hell seems like a copout and bad storytelling. Kinda like all stories written now days younger peoplemseem to have no imagination and just rely on tropes

The entire story is a metaphor for "if you don't change, your life won't change" he keeps getting to the tower and it keeps resetting him. it's all a metaphor (imo) of addiction. How Eddie was a heroin addict an that was his main problem that needed fixing is King writing himself into possibly. Addicts hit rock bottom and have to restart their lives, slightly differently than the previous breakdown, they do horrible acts chasing the high. And the only way to break the cycle is to not do the things that lead you down that path. But that's just my opinion. There's so many more things going on. Its an amazing story and I loved the ending.

I feel like Stephan King homself said in the book that the tower became to heavey and the ending says it all.....the mad king story ended pointless....esp for his hype amd buld up to it.....Jake...His death also left a kinda frown...a sad frown but still i suppoe he lived to safe Stephan King i guess....and then the tower it self......the build up to a few pages leading us to the restart this time with the Horn......man...i feel these books have been with me for years...and now the end just left me....feeli g pointless.....its crazy...BUT....SK did say that its the story its self that is brilliand not just the end...and for that i tap my throught three times and take a bow.......KA is a wheel....

The Horn of Eld is from Elric of Melabone - The Eternal Champion Series by Micheal Moorcock who had a similar Order vs. Chaos in a Multiverse situation. It's called The Horn of Fate in that story which predates it by at least 2o years.

Oy, is a bird like creature not dog like . ( just saying )

There is the view that Adam fell so that men might be. That God saw man in a state of naïve ignorance, living in a state of unknowing bliss in The Garden Of Eden. They knew only God's presence and his will, and lacked the power to even conceive of acting against it. They couldn't conceive of it because in The Garden, it didn't exist, the possibility of temptation to disobey God didn't exist. In a sense, Adam and Eve didn't have a choice, didn't have free will. There awareness was limited by their limited perception, a consequence of the paradigm they existed in. Like someone who was born blind unable comprehend color. God saw this, and, wanting man to ascend to more profound degrees of spiritual awareness, knew that man must be tempted to disobey Him. They must have a knowledge of good and evil and be left to choose on their own. The Serpent serves this purpose, tempting Adam and Eve to eat the fruit from Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. This was by design. You could say that Lucifer fell that he might tempt Adam, and Adam fell, that men might be. In the Book Of Nephi in the Book Of Mormon, we read " Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.". Thus begins the series of events of The Plan Of Salvation, where Jesus takes up the flesh and eventually, having lived his life as a sinless man, accepts the full cost and weight of all mankind's sins in the Garden Of Gethsemane, that all believe in faith might be redeemed from their fallen state and return to the presence of God. This was in order for man to have a chance at achieving greater spiritual depth beyond his (Adam's) previous state of ignorance, and live in a greater degree of joy as a result. All by design. This also necessarily means that man must be given free will, the ability to choose. Lucifer's plan was that he would redeem all, irrespective of their choices, which necessarily precludes free will, and thus would deprive man of the painful but necessary growth that comes through wisdom and awareness gained in a difficult world filled with temptation, pain and death. It would be difficult for man to endure this but through faith in Christ, he could do it, surviving the World and returning to God with greater spiritual growth than Adam and Eve ever could have had. You could call this life a test of temptation and faith, survival of which leads to eternal life. But it hinges on free will. This life must be difficult and we must be allowed free will in order to choose faith or not. Otherwise it doesn't work - free will requires faith, proof of God's existence and His will negates it, and thus is negated the opportunity for spiritual growth. Man must be able to choose. Both free will and spiritual ascendancy would have been the main causalities under Lucifer's plan. Free will and the shot at an eternal reward living in the presence of The Creator, or the removal of free will and spiritual damnation. It's interesting to note, to "damn" means to stop, or limit. In a sense, Adam and Eve's spiritual awareness was stopped or "damned" per their ignorance, knowing only God's presence and never knowing temptation, sin and pain. God intervening in any way jeopardizes everything He sacrificed for man's sake. Whatever you personally believe is irrelevant and I'm not pushing an agenda here, it's just interesting. I'm not a theological scholar or missionary for the LDS church, I spent years playing in death metal bands, fucking everything that moved, drinking anything that could give me a buzz and in general being fairly cunty. I only point this out because it's an interesting answer to the question, "why does God allow evil", the answer being - because he must.

When Mordred and self inserts entered the picture as plot lines the story took a nose dive.

Wrong, he had the horn of eld in the next version. Something had happened and he had learned something he didn't know previously.