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Why does evil seem to outweigh good?
Can we ever make up for our 'wrongdoings'?
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Відео

Ann Leckie and gender.
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Insights from an award-winning SciFi author.
Sometimes Christians get it right.
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In theory, at least, if not in practice.
Synchronicity.
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Carl Jung and spooky coincidences.
'You're on your own kid', by Taylor Swift.
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Live from the Eras Tour: ua-cam.com/video/65UDW7tzvro/v-deo.htmlsi=C2AG3_uTF3Mjo3qa
I can't choose to believe or not believe ... can I?
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Well, maybe I can. Maybe I even have to.
Wiccan wickedness.
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There are other stories out there that we can tell ourselves.
Can we actually agree to disagree?
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In some cases, definitely not.
Are both theists and atheists missing the point?
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Talking at cross purposes, perhaps? Previous videos: What is truth?: ua-cam.com/video/mxC-nYqApVo/v-deo.html Was the resurrection an historical event: ua-cam.com/video/QKZ_UX4_RUQ/v-deo.htmlsi=qd2dIczJJgcVOm42
A story can be true, even if it isn't.
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The importance of story and myth.
Good art, bad people.
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Separating the art from the artist.
Yep, the rapture and all that.
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10.15 am, Australian Eastern Summer Time, 3 December 2024. I swear it's right this time!
What's the purpose of Christian apologetics?
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Who are Christian apologists trying to convince?
Original sin ...
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... is basically a bunch of nonsense.
The origin of racism.
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The origin of racism.
Belief in God does not provide a basis for objective morality.
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Belief in God does not provide a basis for objective morality.
I don't connect with that.
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I don't connect with that.
What is truth?
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What is truth?
Understanding Shakespeare.
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Understanding Shakespeare.
Leave God out of it!
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Leave God out of it!
Paradigm shifts.
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Paradigm shifts.
Was the resurrection of Jesus an historical event?
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Was the resurrection of Jesus an historical event?
The Light and the Dark.
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The Light and the Dark.
Copy cat music.
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Copy cat music.
Atheistic Judaism.
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Atheistic Judaism.
Does Taylor Swift lip-sync during the Eras Tour?
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Does Taylor Swift lip-sync during the Eras Tour?
Jonah in the belly of the whale.
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Jonah in the belly of the whale.

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  • @NYandAZ
    @NYandAZ 10 хвилин тому

    She is so genuine, kind and intelligent. Her lyricism is really astounding. She doesn’t need any fancy stages to make a fantastic performance. Just Taylor and an instrument is pure perfection. Thank you, Phil. Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃🍁

  • @ivtch51
    @ivtch51 12 годин тому

    Wasn't it said, "In everything we do there are good and bad/evil consequences. All we can do is err towards the good." We are both flawed and noble.

  • @lapatichita2006
    @lapatichita2006 20 годин тому

    Lo quiero mucho señor que me enseñó referencias que no me sabía, como la de la hamburguesa y las papas (BFF)

  • @lapatichita2006
    @lapatichita2006 22 години тому

    Lo quiero mucho señor que hizo que me diera cuenta de que esta canción me representa mucho. ❤

  • @josemerino6765
    @josemerino6765 23 години тому

    Kylie forever

  • @tamarawyatt9360
    @tamarawyatt9360 День тому

    I think the 2 fatalities is their love dying for both of them and she is the one with gun pulling the trigger to leave the relationship. Just my thoughts.

  • @strategistmahedi
    @strategistmahedi День тому

    Hey Phil. Congrats on reaching 882 subscribers and many views with just 392 videos-impressive progress! To keep growing, optimizing your video titles, tags, and descriptions can really boost visibility. I’d love to support you with UA-cam SEO and channel management so you can focus on creating content. I noticed your website isn’t responding, which could impact how viewers connect with you outside of UA-cam. Let me know if you'd like a hand with this!

  • @ian-o2e
    @ian-o2e День тому

    Having watched you comment on Taylor Swift in an intelligent and positive way I shouldn't have been surprised at your take on these books. But I was surprised that you had chosen them to talk about when it popped up on the YT home screen . I really enjoyed them and have them stored on my kindle for a re read at some point. I get your point completely about the removal of gender becoming so refreshing after my initial confusion but I then became slightly obsessed with her emphasis on the importance of tea drinking and special tea sets etc . I don't have any patience for 'hard' science fiction , the tech and science is usually far too boring and completely over my head but Anne Leckie's books are so much more interesting than all that stuff, just as challenging perhaps but they make you think about your own world and surely that's the purpose of good science fiction writing. I'm hoping your video brings new readers to Leckie's work .

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey День тому

      I will have to re-read them again soon too.

  • @bettis247
    @bettis247 День тому

    Thanks Phil!

  • @JohnSpencer90
    @JohnSpencer90 2 дні тому

    Phil, I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on why theists and atheists might be talking past each other. In some ways, you may be right. However, the issue, as I think you also touched on, is that the theist believes their worldview best aligns with reality, and they often feel that everyone else is ignoring the truth. The idea that the Bible should be interpreted metaphorically-especially because its core teachings are unfalsifiable-is something that many theists simply can't accept.

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 2 дні тому

      I think that what you say at the end is true of the theism that most atheists see themselves combatting today. When I studied theology, the theologians that I paid most attention to were German theologians and bible scholars from the mid twentieth century and up into about the 1970s. These were theologians like Rudolph Bultmann, Paul Tillich, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Jurgen Moltmann who would have found the literalism of many modern theists (particularly in the USA) incomprehensible or laughable.

  • @Sharon_85
    @Sharon_85 2 дні тому

    I very much enjoyed your take on this theme! Love listening to your insights. Thank you so much ❤

  • @deb5123
    @deb5123 2 дні тому

    I love this song even though it’s not a fan favorite

  • @alexiafrench254
    @alexiafrench254 2 дні тому

    Thank you for your time for this video❤👍🏻

  • @alexiafrench254
    @alexiafrench254 2 дні тому

    I don’t understand why some fans get so upset if some songs are lip synched? It’s an over three hour show? It’s a lot for her. There are bigger songs that need her full vocals, so it makes sense she save her voice for those songs and maybe lip sync a little on a few others again it’s not for the whole show. So I see no issue with it 💖

  • @alexiafrench254
    @alexiafrench254 2 дні тому

    Thank you so much for this video! You really have a knack for this!

  • @micaelakedhammar5066
    @micaelakedhammar5066 2 дні тому

    Thank you for an excellent breakdown! This song is so beautiful and just so full of emotion. I always thought of the blood soaked gown as a Carrie reference; she's trying to fulfill her dreams, starves herself and listens to people's bad jokes, but when she thinks she's finally won everybody's approval they just want to humiliate her. It's not hard to imagine that the stage incident when she won her first VMA in 2009 could be just another version of Carrie getting drenched in pigs blood.

  • @Sharon_85
    @Sharon_85 2 дні тому

    Beautiful reaction and lyric breakdown. I just found your channel and am really enjoying your Taylor reactions ❤ I really enjoy hearing a person’s view that doesn’t know much about the lore or at least doesn’t focus so much on it and focuses on the song itself.

  • @Sharon_85
    @Sharon_85 2 дні тому

    Great breakdown ❤ thanks

  • @andrewjenkinson7052
    @andrewjenkinson7052 3 дні тому

    Given the political state of the US and Trump declaring that he HATES Taylor Swift I wonder if she might leave the USA for at least 4 years. Travis and Taylor can live anywhere. If they choose the UK I am sure we will more than welcome her.

  • @user-to2sc3cm6m
    @user-to2sc3cm6m 3 дні тому

    I love this. A few things. So tea is slang for gossip or if you 'spill the tea' it's telling the secret details. So 'at tea time'--when people start gossiping about her private life issues--everyone agrees she's the problem. And then on the Joe possible affair thing... people don't fully know but in another song on this album she says he's with her in his dreams. She also says she's thinking of someone else too lol. SO they're both thinking of other people. SO perhaps more an emotional affair as their relationship is already collapsing. For two graves one gun I always thought of murd#r / Suic1de... like one of them is going to have to go ahead and pull the trigger on their relationship (murd#r it) and end the drawn out hurt that's been happening... their own individual hurt (suic1de)

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 3 дні тому

      Yes, so 'Guilty as Sin?', right?

  • @JesseMadrigal-q4z
    @JesseMadrigal-q4z 3 дні тому

    WOW!! Well done I loved the way you broke this down when you did the explanation I was able to close my eyes and picture what you were saying and than hear the song from a different view. It made me love this song even more.

  • @pakhisharma5394
    @pakhisharma5394 3 дні тому

    Loved it ❤ thank you.

  • @EmilyExcitedlyAnalyzes
    @EmilyExcitedlyAnalyzes 3 дні тому

    I've never really seen the live Eras Tour version before so thank you so much for analyzing this version of it! 5:57 when you point out the emotion in her face you didn't mention what I thought was the most obvious part of that which is she's singing about her Origins where she would just play a song in a parking lot for a very small group of interested listeners and right now she's playing and looking at a ridiculously huge Stadium of people and so when she sings the line about playing songs in a parking lot while the juxtaposition of the current moment is so amusing to her and shows just how far she's really come and how crazily her life has changed since then. She's smiling like the audience she's looking at is all in on the surreal humorous juxtaposition too. ;) then of course 11:25 that huge smile for the Friendship Bracelets line is also because the Eras Tour embraced friendship bracelets entirely because of that one line in this one song. This was *it*! This was my first time seeing one of your reactions/ analyses and i loved it so much. Thank you for being such a fan of her poetry and her heart and voice and all of it ;) I'm also starting my own attempt at a UA-cam channel around reacting to her music and analyzing it and i like the idea of going back to some of my favorite Taylor Swift songs from older albums one day just like you did here.

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 3 дні тому

      Thanks very much for your comments, Emily. Good luck with your own channel.

  • @thepump123
    @thepump123 3 дні тому

    God bless you. If I may ask, would you consider yourself to be an agnostic or an atheist?

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 3 дні тому

      I don't believe in God, but I try to resist the epithet 'atheist' because I don't see why I should define myself in terms of one of many things I don't happen to believe in. I used to be an Anglican priest, but I left that and the Christian faith back in the 1990s. Although I started off with a discussion of theism and atheism in this particular video (and came back to it at the end), I think my point was broader than this.

  • @LarryGoesWest-f9w
    @LarryGoesWest-f9w 4 дні тому

    John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him

  • @maha-madpedo-gayphukumber1533

    Yes. But your belief or unbelief both are not truth. Belief and faith are not truth. If they were then both will be called as evidence. They are called faith and belief for a reason. Belief and Faith's are also a wistful thinking. Those countres who chose and adopt rationality and scientific mindset are always better and happier then those who don't. This is fact.

    • @JoBo301
      @JoBo301 4 дні тому

      If belief and faith are not truth then atheism cannot be true.

    • @maha-madpedo-gayphukumber1533
      @maha-madpedo-gayphukumber1533 4 дні тому

      @JoBo301 yes. It true that atheism is just belief like the others.

    • @JoBo301
      @JoBo301 3 дні тому

      @@maha-madpedo-gayphukumber1533 atheists put their faith in their mental faculties

    • @maha-madpedo-gayphukumber1533
      @maha-madpedo-gayphukumber1533 3 дні тому

      @@JoBo301 atheism,theism,agnosticism,non-thiesm are just beliefs like others. We may never know the reality. There should no one should claim they know. thiests or atheists.

  • @elisamaer4739
    @elisamaer4739 4 дні тому

    Very good interpretation, thank you!

  • @MSerrada1
    @MSerrada1 4 дні тому

    When she goes up in the last run on the friendship bracelets, take the moment part it scratches an itch. She's so good at knowing when to pitch up/down to change up to hit that perfect spot in the brain. Yes, she really does sprinkle narcotics in all her songs. Have you watched Miss Americana documentary? The part in this song about starving her body just hurts with the realness of that line.

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 4 дні тому

      Yes, I have seen the documentary. She really knows how to use her voice.

  • @andrewjenkinson7052
    @andrewjenkinson7052 5 днів тому

    There appears to be confusion between “lip syncing” and “miming”. I think this stems from misunderstanding the purpose of “backing tracks”. In a show the size of the Eras Tour it is impossible for the singers to hear each other and the band and for the band to hear the singers (and even each other!). So they ALL wear ear pieces which play the backing track so they ALL can synchronise to a single source. So a singer’s lips will be synchronised with the backing track (and everything else) when he / she is miming and also when he / she is singing. Lip syncing is no guide to whether a singer is singing or miming. So my question for FIL, is how do you tell if a singer is singing live or miming unless his / her lips are out of sync with what you hear? Where are all his examples of this? Is he saying that Taylor is so perfect she never gets out of sync with what you hear but is so imperfect that EVERYONE can hear when she makes a mistake and sings the wrong words WHICH WE HEAR,?!!

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 5 днів тому

      I don't know if I have said this in another video, or just here in the comments somewhere, but in another video, Fil shows that she uses autotune quite a lot, which is actually incompatible with miming.

    • @andrewjenkinson7052
      @andrewjenkinson7052 5 днів тому

      ​@@philipneweyHe said both live vocals AND the backing track are autotuned. He is trying to throw all the sh*t at Taylor he can without investigating other possibilities - like at what stage Autotune was applied. I believe the more posts he receives the more UA-cam pay him. Do you know if that is true?

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 5 днів тому

      @@andrewjenkinson7052 I'm not sure how the revenue works.

    • @danielsavard5977
      @danielsavard5977 3 години тому

      She is using a pre-recorded vocal track to go over the sound system , so anyone at the show is hearing a pre-recorded vocal, not live…. Pretty easy to figure out when you watch the proof video posted on You Tube

  • @ivtch51
    @ivtch51 5 днів тому

    Hi Phill. This is my take on it. Not reductionist enough for most. "If one digs down deep enough into existence/reality, one eventually comes to a foundational place where all we have are our temperaments, experiences, our hunches and intuitions. It is here, in the depths of our souls, that we place our ultimate hopes, trusts and our loves. This could be the place where God dwells in a form of faith or/and disbelief? This quest for truth and authenticity does not have to be binary." Lol. I am a bit of both at various times.

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 5 днів тому

      My take on the reality of 'reality' fluctuates quite a lot. I find myself falling back on the philosophy of Immanuel Kant quite often, and so find myself wondering if the 'thing-in-itself' can actually ever be known. We experience this 'thing-in-itself' via certain a priori categories, such as time, space, cause and effect. We cannot actually conceive of any 'thing' without falling back on these categories: they are innate and precede all actual experience. This is not to deny that the 'thing-in-itself exists; just that we can't experience or know it directly. Sometimes I will modify this, though, by arguing that we have evolved within this universe, and that it would make sense if these a priori categories which evolved with us did so in a way which actually corresponds with the reality within which we/they evolved, and that they therefore provide us with a reliable 'map' of 'reality-in-itself'.

    • @ivtch51
      @ivtch51 5 днів тому

      ​@@philipnewey Hi Phill. Afraid I am a late philosophy-theological bloomer (73!). You have a very versatile mind. My sense is that we can never know, as we end up in a final realm of mystery & unknowingness. I do a daily meditation to stay connected to this mystery. That said, there is so much about our psychology, art and mythology that speaks of Godness. It is a deep conundrum without & within. Structured logic only gets us so far.

  • @kelvinturner-e9m
    @kelvinturner-e9m 5 днів тому

    It's like in politics, and I wonder what my political views would be if I had not emigrated to Australia. Thankfully I left my family's views behind, but would I have thought like them if I had stayed? Is it nurture or nature? I can't remember being influenced by anyone in my life as far as ethics (I did live in Essex!) goes and just have this innate feeling about right and wrong, empathy, sympathy and generally believing the best in people. This of course can bite you on the bum, but I think the benefit of the doubt rather than despise people initially, which seems to be an initial reaction to most conservative thinkers. I think choosing to believe is offered to us all, it's a question whether we think on that choice or not. Good topic, Phil, as usual.

  • @rmartin70
    @rmartin70 6 днів тому

    It seems that you failed to mention that when she is singing “live”, she is using auto tune. Fans are not hearing her actual singing voice the entire show.

  • @nitsujism
    @nitsujism 6 днів тому

    Regarding whether god can be empirically tested or not. Maybe god can't directly. But the effects of god can and the claims of religious texts such as the bible definitely can. Take Genesis. It doesn't tally with what we know about the long history of the natural world. Taken literally, it's flat out wrong. Even worse for the bible is that Jesus held that the old testament stories were true which then means that he was wrong and not who he was claimed to be either. In any other endeavour of knowledge this would be enough to write the bible off as an anachronistic book of cultural relevance only. Not a source of bona fide true knowledge. That this hasn't happened is the problem, leading to young Earth creationists and gross science denialism.

  • @dopeydonaldtrump3744
    @dopeydonaldtrump3744 6 днів тому

    Hmmmm...11 minutes of talking about 'god' and he never defined which god he was talking about. Phil needs to do some more thinking.

  • @ka-peach7945
    @ka-peach7945 6 днів тому

    You're right about the bible. Everything else you are a clueless normie.

  • @duke_hugo
    @duke_hugo 6 днів тому

    Nice video. I do have some thoughts 1. I think it can be possible to find meaning in a story that can be applied in the world even if the story isn’t true. However this is like in Family Guy when Peter Griffin starts a church to the Fonz and starts teaching people to follow his teachings. That could have great value to people but Fonzy isn’t god and was never supposed to be so meaning and good morals in a story doesn’t mean there is a god. 2. Is this a binary question? There is a god, there isn’t a god. If both sides agree on a definition that could be answered and quite possibly if you broaden the term god enough the atheist may even argue yes, and if you narrow it sufficiently the theist may argue no, but at some point to ask the question and give an answer the person asking and answering need to be able to explain their reasoning, if they don’t then they’ve missed the point but I don’t think this problem of agreed definition is impossible. 3. On different truths I saw this addressed in the debate between Alex O’Connor and Dinesh D’Souza where Alex (atheist) tackled the question of whether the Bible (not god in this case) was true and went through a number of types of truth, including historical, allegorical and moral. I found from this that while there are parts of the Bible like the virgin birth and the resurrection which Christians need to be true, there are other parts, like the slaughtering of the almalakites that they almost need to not be true or it destroys the moral truth of the whole Bible. Also scientific truths like the universe having a beginning being undermined by other facts like the sun being older than the earth despite the earth being created in genesis before the sun. Again this was critiquing the Bible, not god, but the same lines of argument could certainly be used. 4. The argument “a god is real” and “god is real” is actually quite different. A theist does need to provide some sort of argument that it is the god of their religion that is real and not just a generic god. Any moral teachings of the religion are irrelevant if another religion with opposing laws has equal claim to the title of god. Whereas the atheist can claim morals have come from humans and will vary across cultures so don’t need morals to be universal for their worldview to be consistent. Only that scientific truths are universal. I can’t remember if I had more points I thought of but the video certainly made me think. Thanks for making it.

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 6 днів тому

      Thank you for your comments. It's nice to see you thinking things through like this. I have many other videos that touch on topics like this (as well as a very diverse range of other topics.). One of the problems I have making videos like this is that it almost seems necessary every time to say everything all over again, which would be very tedious for me (and would also result in a very, very long video!). At the same time, I realise that most people won't have seen my other videos where I address other aspects of these questions, so they make ciriticms without the full picture. I don't see a way out of this dilemma at the moment. Sorry about the 'confessional' moment here. It's just much on my mind at the moment. Thanks again for your comments.

  • @blackwolfe638
    @blackwolfe638 7 днів тому

    by 2:09 My take is "Phil has been sniffing his own farts"

  • @Noughtgate
    @Noughtgate 7 днів тому

    How wonderful. Its all just a misunderstanding. I agree with theists that their claim "a god exists" is "true" in the sense that its meaningful to them, its meaningful to me as well given the consequences of that claim! I mean sure, some theists take "true" to mean "conforming to reality" because they beat their children lest they anger a really real god, or they call gay people an abomination to show their attitudes match his on the matter, or they push forward faith healing because their scriptures say prayer is more powerful than medicine, but theyre nothing to worry about, its their own fault for not knowing which definition of "true" to use! Im not even sure why youre a part of this conversation, theologians can be atheists and its framed as if theyre at odds with each other. If you dont believe there are any gods, congratulations, you havent been indoctrinated to accept fiction as fact, im oh so very happy for you.

  • @cesariglesias297
    @cesariglesias297 7 днів тому

    That's sound like alternative "truth" gospel not supported by the holy Books of various cultures, religions, and many denominations

  • @macdougdoug
    @macdougdoug 7 днів тому

    What is the point of God? I think you said it can give my life meaning, A kind of psychological aid? Regarding meaning and truth : Does God have to exist for metaphors to have meaning? No - I'm interested if Christianity reveals any useful mysteries at all.

    • @nitsujism
      @nitsujism 6 днів тому

      Religion keeps you in line and in return gives you a placebo balm for the horrors of life.

    • @macdougdoug
      @macdougdoug 6 днів тому

      @@nitsujism we get the religion we deserve - our selfishness creates evil religions

  • @bt5029
    @bt5029 7 днів тому

    So basically the theists "truth" is - i want to believe this so I do and don't care if it's factually correct. If something is factually incorrect, how can it be "true"? Simple redefine "truth"

  • @bt5029
    @bt5029 7 днів тому

    Why is it that theists, not atheists, continually redefine words?

  • @tommi7554
    @tommi7554 7 днів тому

    And which believers, there's over 3000 religions and even more gods all around the globe.. Who has the right "truth"... Every religions is still based on stories, campfire stories even. No any actual proof that would hold in court.

    • @Pmrace1960
      @Pmrace1960 7 днів тому

      religion is mans worst invention and by a long way.........

  • @fyimediaworld
    @fyimediaworld 7 днів тому

    This was funny.

  • @iancampbell1316
    @iancampbell1316 7 днів тому

    This is what's wrong with the world today. Truth isn't truth because there are different kinds of truth. WTF!

  • @RayG817
    @RayG817 7 днів тому

    Yrs, religious people believe truths that aren't true. We all do this, but we need to admit it. Then we can search for truths that ARE true.

  • @ElDrHouse2010
    @ElDrHouse2010 7 днів тому

    missing the point is because is not about proving anything, you cannot prove non existance and that something made up exists. so neither can do anything with the starting point of proving. All that can be done is explain the reasoning in a physical manner or simply have no mechanistic physical explanation whatsoever and admit bravely that its just faith, not any sort of deductive reasoning. Thats it. Also other problems in those debates reduce to both parties not defining what existence is, what is an object, and what is a fact, etc. Simple things that must be defined to present a deductive theory of the existence of something you are proposing like a God that creates or simply exists somewhere and can do things, etc. existence: physical presence object: that which has shape, weight, mass any of those works. fact/truth: an event (a series of objects in motion) that is happening or has happened. A historical fact, a report on live news such as the Israel-Hamas war, whatever. Things we can confirm to be true, because those events have had/have physical presence.

  • @merdufer
    @merdufer 7 днів тому

    I agree with most of this, except it seems to me that, for most of history, theists were the ones who adopted the framework of the empirical truth of God. Even during early modern times, people really believed witches consorted with the devil and cast spells. It was only in modern times, after scientific methods made the proposition of the empirical existence of God less and less tenable, that theists began focusing on the philosophical side of religion, on the ideas of experiences and meanings. Can we interpret the Bible as a collection of figurative stories that serves a vehicle in the search for meanings today? Yes. Did the authors of the Bible see it that way, rather than an empirical account? I find that hard to believe. I think they saw it as a kind of "based on true story" embellished and abridged storytelling, but they must have believed the original story to be real. We see this in Greek authors who wrote about myths. They wrote fictional tales about Gods to convey morals, but the ancient Greeks really did believe those Gods existed empirically.

  • @michaelbell3181
    @michaelbell3181 7 днів тому

    I think 💭 you are correct. 💯

  • @gonufc
    @gonufc 8 днів тому

    In terms of History- the sources are absolutely unsatisfactory to conclude that in all probability the stories told in the Bible are accurate and true to what happened. We effectively have one source (other Roman historians mention Jesus... Not supernatural acts) which is non contemporaneous, inconsistent within its own re-telling of stories, self derivative and hugely intended politically (It's purpose is of course to proselytise). It's a very poor Historical Source which falls well, well below necessary credence to support evidence for SUPERNATURAL events. That is an absolutely extraordinary claim and requires extraordinary evidence to deem it likely to have occurred as told. But we're talking about knowledge, the religious person (Abrahamic at least) is interested in "Faith"- you cannot have faith as well as knowledge. I think most religious people would get to the point where they don't actually care about probability based, historical assessments- they believe what they do (which is not something you can choose, of course!) regardless of the truth in many cases. In SPITE OF evidence which makes Biblical (or those from the Torah or Qur'an) claims demonstrably untrue. Knowledge and faith are very different things and many of those invested in Faith are completely uninterested in knowledge. Epistemology is irrelevant to many who have faith. Which is fine... As long as they don't make claims or try to legislate because of it. People need to have the humility to remember: It's just a belief. It has no credibility or weight behind it, it's just an unreasoned personal belief. I would be careful with your wording though "Empirical truth" or "Theological Truth"- sometimes you get a little close to implying there can be multiple truths- that what someone believes makes it "Their truth"... No. It's just their belief.

    • @philipnewey
      @philipnewey 7 днів тому

      All fair enough, except that I actually do think there are different kinds of truth claims. You may not agree with that, and that's fine.

    • @gonufc
      @gonufc 7 днів тому

      @@philipnewey Well, history can only ever be a mosaic pieced together of the most likely options from the sources available. So in that sense, yes, we can't have a genuine "Truth". Belief however can never be a claim on truth as it's self evidently uninformed (you don't have belief or faith in something which can be established and demonstrated to be so). So I suppose it's always a spectrum. In terms of "Different" truths then I think that becomes more of a linguistic exercise than a Scientific Method (or even Socratic) led thing that you seek to establish.