It's also good to square up the side supports that the bushings for in. (I can't refer to them as bearings.) It's so easy to get them bent out of square. These bases are so flimsy on these machines.
Other reloaders never figure this out because they can't measure the variations that come from poor press technique. You need a good gage and you need to check every case sized. The following all can cause variations: 1. Speed of stroke 2. Number of strokes 3. Amount of lube 4. Uniform distribution of lube. 5. Dwell time at the top of the stroke 6. Work hardening or brass anneal condition. Thanks for the excellent demonstration of the effect of dwell time and multiple strokes on head to shoulder length.
What about the drum support shafts? I can not find one Damn video on here that talks about that??? are they any good? are they just plastic bushings or bearings, what the F?
This shaft bearing and their "support" design is a total mess! I sure wouldn't build it this way! Don't even wanna think of the motor's sleeve bearings...
I'm not sure why you'd want to "check" at 260.9gr when most of the time we are weighing much lighter charges. The range of 20-50gr is where I really care about being closer to the true value. And of course, resolution and precision-- not accuracy per se-- are what we care about. It doesn't matter if the scale says 33.8gr when it's really 33.76492gr. What matters is 1) that the same weight always reads the same, and 2) the scale will move to reflect tiny changes in weight-- well under 0.05gr.
Can't agree with you there - The M5 is an excellent scale and is the forerunner of the 10/10. The M5 and the RCBS 304, also made by Ohaus were about the peak of beam scale quality. From that time the scales have steadily deteriated, quality being dictated by accountants not engineers.
I picked up a vintage M5 and couldn't be happier. With larger grain powders, it's already "single grain" resolution. Honestly it's as precise as anything I need now because it can deliver an error of about 0.1%, which is good enough to make charge weight less variable than most other things.
David1200. Fulton Armory sells those gages. The Hornady Lock and Load Case Gage will do the same thing. The Hornady tool is not caliber specific. It will check dozens of different bottlenecked cases. It is much less expensive than the Mo's gage. The Mo's gage was originally made by Mo DeFina.
You need a headspace gage. Sinclair makes one they call a "bump gage", and Hornady now owns the Stoney Point headspace gages, and sells them under the Hornady name. These have to be used with either a Sinclair or Hornady comparator body and they measure the shoulder to the head of the case which is formed to your rifle after being fired. The inserts are interchangeable by the way. Hornady/Stoney Point inserts will fit into the Sinclair comparator body, and vice versa.
That's the same scale as the Superb Ohaus 10-10 Scale that's been dumbed down by not including the revolving tenth-grain barrel and painted an uglier color. It's been available for over 50 years ! . If you sent it direct to Ohaus, they would've "Fixed" for Free ! .
Hi 1000ydshot, Just wanted to thank you for the great demo of stainless steel brass case cleaning. You made a believer out of me. I really appreciated the construction of your custom case dryer - nice American ingenuity. thank you for taking the time to video and post this for the benefit of the reloading community. L
you lost me a little bit. i understand how to find the dimensions with a feeler gauge but how do i know know the dimensions i want according to my rifle....i also shoot a ,308
WELL DONE! I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND IT WORKS BETTER THAN THE HORNADY RUN-OUT TOOL !!! another trick is to lossen the sizing die so as the case pulls out the die pulls equal on the case neck
@Caltari that looks like the Wilson case trimmer body and case holder being used. This method is similar to what I have done to bullets with runout only I tapped on them with rubber mallot to correct runout. Bullet was still tight in the case.
Zoom spout oilers are available at Home Depot in the Southwest in their cooler, air conditioning and plumbing section. Thanks for your tumbling videos.
If you're going to get into tumbling with SS media, make sure you get the magnetic stuff. The company in Utah is selling non-magnetic media ---it's a pain to retrieve when you spill any of it.
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Can't figure out my RCBS precision mic out to save my life. Your mic looks like it measures better
It's also good to square up the side supports that the bushings for in. (I can't refer to them as bearings.) It's so easy to get them bent out of square. These bases are so flimsy on these machines.
Hey Thanks! Does it matter if I use sewing machine oil?
20 weight oil
Looked like to me it was off at 40gr and 50gr
Other reloaders never figure this out because they can't measure the variations that come from poor press technique. You need a good gage and you need to check every case sized. The following all can cause variations: 1. Speed of stroke 2. Number of strokes 3. Amount of lube 4. Uniform distribution of lube. 5. Dwell time at the top of the stroke 6. Work hardening or brass anneal condition. Thanks for the excellent demonstration of the effect of dwell time and multiple strokes on head to shoulder length.
whats the make of the stand holding the gauge?
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Terry please contact me regarding your Scale and sensor switch. I need more info. Thanks
please contact me regarding your Scale and sensor switch. I need more info. Thanks
please contact me regarding your Scale and sensor switch. I need more info. Thanks
what happens to neck tension when you bend it back like that. could it cause another problem?
Looking good Terry :)
What about the drum support shafts? I can not find one Damn video on here that talks about that??? are they any good? are they just plastic bushings or bearings, what the F?
Goes the consistent neck tension.
This shaft bearing and their "support" design is a total mess! I sure wouldn't build it this way! Don't even wanna think of the motor's sleeve bearings...
Please check the original check weight for the M5 ,I have been reading some of the 260.9 have been off. post results thanks for the video!
I'm not sure why you'd want to "check" at 260.9gr when most of the time we are weighing much lighter charges. The range of 20-50gr is where I really care about being closer to the true value. And of course, resolution and precision-- not accuracy per se-- are what we care about. It doesn't matter if the scale says 33.8gr when it's really 33.76492gr. What matters is 1) that the same weight always reads the same, and 2) the scale will move to reflect tiny changes in weight-- well under 0.05gr.
how do I get a hold of Scott Parker??
and you're probably tweaking the case neck and placing added pressure and inconsistencies to each finished round.
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Nice, simple and effective detection of the problem and solution. Thanks for keeping it short and on-point.
You meant to say 16 thousands, didnt you? Not 16 hundreds. .016" is 16 thou.
Can't agree with you there - The M5 is an excellent scale and is the forerunner of the 10/10. The M5 and the RCBS 304, also made by Ohaus were about the peak of beam scale quality. From that time the scales have steadily deteriated, quality being dictated by accountants not engineers.
I picked up a vintage M5 and couldn't be happier. With larger grain powders, it's already "single grain" resolution. Honestly it's as precise as anything I need now because it can deliver an error of about 0.1%, which is good enough to make charge weight less variable than most other things.
Hi - where can you buy the headspace gauge ? I have never seen one like that Thanks
David1200. Fulton Armory sells those gages. The Hornady Lock and Load Case Gage will do the same thing. The Hornady tool is not caliber specific. It will check dozens of different bottlenecked cases. It is much less expensive than the Mo's gage. The Mo's gage was originally made by Mo DeFina.
You need a headspace gage. Sinclair makes one they call a "bump gage", and Hornady now owns the Stoney Point headspace gages, and sells them under the Hornady name. These have to be used with either a Sinclair or Hornady comparator body and they measure the shoulder to the head of the case which is formed to your rifle after being fired. The inserts are interchangeable by the way. Hornady/Stoney Point inserts will fit into the Sinclair comparator body, and vice versa.
That's the same scale as the Superb Ohaus 10-10 Scale that's been dumbed down by not including the revolving tenth-grain barrel and painted an uglier color. It's been available for over 50 years ! . If you sent it direct to Ohaus, they would've "Fixed" for Free ! .
That's what I was thinking. Inconsistent tension can affect accuracy as much as minor runout. What ya say, Shoot? Thanks!
Hi 1000ydshot, Just wanted to thank you for the great demo of stainless steel brass case cleaning. You made a believer out of me. I really appreciated the construction of your custom case dryer - nice American ingenuity. thank you for taking the time to video and post this for the benefit of the reloading community. L
This guy reminds me of the old saw: Measure with micrometer, measure with ruler, mark with chalk. Good luck with your woodpecker holes.
you lost me a little bit. i understand how to find the dimensions with a feeler gauge but how do i know know the dimensions i want according to my rifle....i also shoot a ,308
WELL DONE! I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND IT WORKS BETTER THAN THE HORNADY RUN-OUT TOOL !!! another trick is to lossen the sizing die so as the case pulls out the die pulls equal on the case neck
Thanks for the info.
@sako1952 Google Targetmaster Powder Trickler, they are made by my buddy Allan in the United Kingdon
Thanks for the video. I to would like to know where a person can purchase one of these units.
Great video Terry - That looks a superb set-up with the Targetmaster and the new 10/10 sensor.
@Caltari that looks like the Wilson case trimmer body and case holder being used. This method is similar to what I have done to bullets with runout only I tapped on them with rubber mallot to correct runout. Bullet was still tight in the case.
Zoom spout oilers are available at Home Depot in the Southwest in their cooler, air conditioning and plumbing section. Thanks for your tumbling videos.
What case gauge are you using and set up are you using to check out run-out. Looks really smooth and accurate. Regards
Ha Ha! Thats the way - start em young Terry
If you're going to get into tumbling with SS media, make sure you get the magnetic stuff. The company in Utah is selling non-magnetic media ---it's a pain to retrieve when you spill any of it.
Where can you buy the targetmaster?
@kaos3124 He charge $51 to do so! That included being shipped back to you!
gee i wish i would have seen this before i bought a new press having a hell of a time getting them under.002
Glove gives me better grip on the case holder. Makes it easier to spin. No fingers anywhere!
Great video! What's the glove for? Are you a proctologist?
Not all stainless steels are non-magnetic.