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So where are you supposed to hold when the client is trying to pinch you scratch you bit you

So just above the joint, the only joint TCI approves being in contact with for safety reasons is the shoulder when in supine. So think about your average person you are trying to protect from doing harm. Whether it’s a kid or an adult they are not gonna be like this model, as if they were a restraint /hold would not be necessary. They are more then likely going to be fighting. We use a variation of this, way more secure, If done appropriately. But think about a struggling subject, the more they struggle the more you the staff need to brace and make sure your holds are secure. Being in a joint like a wrist, elbow, knee they are the more delicate areas of the body susceptible to injury. Which if your causing an injury during a restraint/hold then it kind of defeated the purpose . Though at times a minor injury may occur to prevent a larger injury or death. Especially if it gets more into a full hold and a kid is struggling. All staff should be extra cautious about staff that are much bigger then the other staff or person being held. This can cause situations where both parties can get injured , by larger staff over correcting , or simply using too much pressure from their body weight. Especially in high stress environments/situations. Foot and hip positioning is just as important as hands . The most important will be you and your staffs demeanor, tone, language, body language. At least with TCI the two biggest things are de-escalation and harm reduction. A hold or restraint should always be the last resort.

And remember just because you’ve watched some UA-cam videos that doesn’t mean you know how to do something. It’s not like woodworking, where you can start fresh. What you do can trigger trauma responses in people especially children with histories. You can cause them to relive their trauma, or create new trauma. We had 28 hours of classroom training. Plus on going training every month heavily around TCI techniques. As well as on going debrief, or retraining if your consistently doing something wrong.

thats illegal

Yes, for quite a number of years. In my humble opinion far more effective than what I just watched here.

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Actually your weakest point in the grip is the thumb. Pulling upwards is very simple. They teach this technique at the largest healthcare provider in the world. It’s not for trained killers. It’s for a disoriented or elderly population with dementia but is the same process in disarming firearms due to the weak thumb

The key teaching points are absent,ie what happens before someone tries to grab you? By understanding pre contact cues you can help your students to develop a mental blueprint of how a persons physiology has to change in order to get in close to you. By doing this you also help your students reduce their reactionary time in order to respond much quicker. 😊

Also, they should not have their hands on their joints (wrists)

I am a TCI certified trainer for the past 8 years and am current in all updates

Not realistic at all. The straight arm should have the staff members closer into the aggressors hips to limit movement. They should be placed more behind the shoulders of the aggressor to limit them also. The aggressors palms should be facing backwards to help shut down muscle strength in the aggressor. They should be almost back to back with a spragged foot position which allows better stability if the person is being resistive. The turned position is ridiculously bad.

James Barlow Figure of Four can be chosen over the wrap demonstrated. However, from my own experience it’s easier to turn in from the wrap displayed. It’s also seen as a step up. However, Finger and Thumb is used in the most extreme circumstances. You always need to have justification for restraint and the type of technique used within the NHS and the wrap used is not wrong.

@@graceroberts3091 The figure 4 is a lower level hold and should then progress onto the straight arm and then finally onto the thumb and forefinger. Turning in is not realistic as it doesnt shut down the muscle groups of the aggressor and gives free reign to grab and rotate out of the hold. It allows them to work to their strengths in the centre of their body. Whether you use the figure of 4 or thumb and forefinger you have to explain clear rationales for it use under least restrictive. My comments were simply to identify that the straight arm is being taught incorrectly. There are inconsistencies in the technique. Not that the hold is incorrect, unless younwas referring to the ridiculous turn in.

Thats mostly for children

Eeeh This is a technique for nightclub security from Europe not arresting another gun nut in the States.

My observations have absolutely nothing to do with whether one is a "gun nut from the States", but rather everything to do with a sound technique for subduing and restraining an individual with minimal exposure of the restraining officer to danger or a compromised position - something that what is demonstrated here most definitely does not accomplish.

@@frankberst9849 You brought up the idea of the individual being armed and having access to a firearm which has nothing to do with this particular demonstration.

No, read what l said. I never mentioned an already armed perpetrator. I instead stated that in the eventuality the restraining officer is armed, this is not a good idea. And even if unarmed, it is still ill advised because it places said individual in a compromised position regardless.

We have read what you've said; you're talking rubbish. You are talking about the US, or other countries, where officers are armed. This is a UK presentation, so what you say is not relevant. However I do agree with you about the last part, I also have been on arrest training courses and refreshers for almost 20 years now and nobody has EVER taught the last movement, where you are facing in the opposite direction to the detainee.

B H normally use 2 security guards

This was not mentioned at all, and a useless instructional video if it's one on one (which it usually is)

B H he says “In an ideal world I would have a colleague on the other arm”. It usually will not be one on one. You will have other staff members to assist you when dealing with a customer, especially an aggressive one.

I like how you're telling me, "You will have other staff members to assist you when dealing with a customer." You can only speak for your own experiences. In my experience, if you cannot take out one guy on your own (even if 2 on one is an option) you'd be questioned about your ability to do the job, but in reality it usually has to be one on one. If you work a 3 man door and a fight with only 2 people happens, then right there one of you is alone. Not to mention friends getting involved. Not to mention a fight with 4, 5 or 6 people, which is realistic. Most retail security guards work alone too.