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if java edition dies, some other indie game will take it's place, or it will just be kept alive by the community via mods. what optifine maker means with the total re-write of the rendering engine has already been mostly implemented, it can be done in steps but it is way easier to rip out the older engine and just implement a new better one, but the largest step of moving away from the fixed function pipeline has already been done. next steps in performance will come from reworking the mob system to something modern like an ECS based system, instead of whatever the fuck is going on right now. The fact that it's written in java allowed it to contain some weird decisions about the structure of the code which is also hindering it's upgrade ability, multi-layer inheritance is probably one of the main sins of the current system. And we have 0 clue how horrific the actual management is for the code, which can be a huge part of productivity. if the people hate working with the code, they aren't going to do it. And i personally hate reading minecraft source code because of how convoluted of a mess it is at times.

"Minecraft: Java Edition has been around for nearly 13 years now" Minecraft is literally celebrating it's 15th anniversary right now. Minecraft version 1.0 has been around for 13 years but minecraft as a whole has been around since 2009

Microsoft has already supported the Java version FAR longer than thought they would.

You didn't touch the code for a single frame of this video. Bullshit

"Optifine increases Minecraft's performance" if I didn't know any better I would flag that as disinformation...but yea, many modders would take issue with that assertion. Sodim, on the other hand, is great. Use that instead :P

The only good thing for bedrock. At least to me, is ray tracing. The decision is hard

Sodium is the way!

As someone whose PC has struggled with MC, especially since 1.16 dropped, I've been saying for a while now that I wish Minecraft would just release a version called "The performance update" or something, and the entire update is just dedicated to fixing all of the built up issues with the game's performance and ability to run, and allow all of the following sub-updates to cater to fixing any bugs creating by doing so.

i wonder how much performance benefit minecraft would get from running on a cpu that had java's bytecode as its instruction set, like jazelle but modern and not implemented weird.

15 years*

Uhh, what you are referring to as threads not really being threads (more like logical cores, hyperthreading is weird... But effective) aside, an x86 processor only has *at most* one additional "thread" per core, meaning those are in fact two separate cores you pointed out. As evidenced by 4 different high utilisation charts. It is entirely possible whatever you are screen recording with or otherwise running is using the additional core though. That aside, having more cores benefits Minecraft even if it's single threaded to a decent extent as well. It means the OS can give all running programs time to execute more frequently.

Wow your videoquality is wayy over the top for your channel size lol! thought you were a big channel haha keep up the work

"Optimizing the game's code would require a full engine rewrite" ok then do it? Multimillion dollar company can't rewrite fucking 1995 programming language? I'm sure I'm not alone when I say an "Optimization Update" is a must, even if development has to be halted for it to happen.

Yeah... Minecraft was developed by a bunch of juniors and there are so many logical and architectural mistakes that we have an guy that is making dozens of small optimizations and fix every week for like 2 years. But man, the bedrock edition is hilariously awful, how could they make something this bad with all the money in the world... For a little more context - as someone who was co-creating on of the biggest modded Minecraft project in Russia called LoliLand, we have rewritten the core, the mods, and optimized so much things, but still weren't able to solve the main performance issue up to this month(yeah, single threaded one). Most recent thing that we developed is MSW - Multi Server Worlds, pretty much same as hypixel but not for minigames. If shortly - we gave each player their own dimension and multiple overworld/nether/end dimensions, where they can progress the modpack, and jump within servers in the bigger subcluster. Everything runs in kubernetes and each dimension is saved to S3 bucket every 5 mins, we wrote our own orchestrator on kotlin and modified the client, so that when player wants to teleport to a player in another dimension, he simply gets seamlessly reconnected in the background. So basically 1k players are able to chat with, trade and visit each-other, but still enjoy 20 tps experience. All of that above was done by 4 amateur coder guys in 4 months. And I honestly can't understand how company with this much money created something like bedrock edition, which is worse version of Java Minecraft with marketplace... Basically like overwatch 2

it's kinda messed up that the only way to get good performance on a server, at least for an smp, is to use fabric with lithium. and lithium is required. my friend group server is on fabric, because paper is shit, and there was a bug with lithium, so we removed it for a couple days. the performance was absolutely dying with 3+ people online.

Minecraft was originally released in 2009 by Notch as "Cave Game" for PC players. The full version, titled “Minecraft 1.0 - Adventure Update” released in 2011.

If Microsoft really tried to pull the plug on Java edition I think the outrage would be enormous and I can't see it happening. Players will probably also do workarounds and so on because it's easy to give something but a lot harder to take it away from the people that received it.

Me searching up minecraft optimization dirt after continuously crashing a few second after joining realms with just a pinch of mods

One thing that always pisses me off are the trailers, the game looks so good in those, the actual game looks like dog sh$t

You could at least have shown Java code in the video, not JavaScript code. They're two very different languages. Performance of stock Java runtime environment (JRE) is bad b/c the program is halted every time a garbage collection occurs (somehow this problem also exists in the BedRock edition, so they must have implemented some form of garbage collector in C++). There are various custom memory managers (originally intended for servers) which have nonblocking garbage collectors. This is what they should optimize first. Also, I'm not sure how well Minecraft Java Edition takes advantage of the HotSpot engine, which generates native code on the fly as it detects hotspots in the code (of course, only Sun's/Oracle's JRE has that feature, since it's been patented by Sun). Writing multithreaded applications is not hard. You give every thread some kind of mailbox, and every thread is essentially a mail processing loop. This concept was pioneered by AmigaOS back in the 1980ies, and it still works. If you do this correctly, there's no need to ever access shared data structures.

In regards to Multi Threading Minecraft. Paper MC team have been working on a project called Folia which aims to try and allow minecraft to better utilize many cores at once. They have a blog that details the mechanisms and they have preformed tests up to 1000 players on a single server with around 8-ish TPS.

Minecraft is like a skyscraper that was constructed on top of what was meant to be a small house, but they just kept adding more and more things until the whole thing is structurally unstable.

3:49 poor ram is getting abused lol

That was a good overview, although a bit to shallow for my personal liking

It blows my mind how badly they fucked up bedrock. They had the chance to rewrite the game from the ground up, fundamentally able to gain performance and speed. But it runs WORSE THAN JAVA. It’s a joke. The animations are slower, the menus are slower, laggier, crappier, and the entire game itself is infested with bugs. Desync is such an issue that they’re not sure if they can even fix it. That’s how bad this is.

Java edition will 100% be axed at some point unfortunately. It's all about the money now.

at the end, for every 10 deaths you have you have to fight every vanilla boss at once

It will def be dropped eventually. They are going bedrock 100%. I’m sad to say but it’s true.

??? minecraft does use multiple threads

There is actually some custom server software called folia which runs it multithreaded, however most plugins wont work with it without specifically added compatibility

I mean, I think it would also help if you got more RAM

C++ is somewhat faster than java ? dude seriously ? That one line makes me think you do not really know what you are talking about!

i have a theory: microsoft chooses not to improve performance because they want you to buy their computers to run minecraft better

I'm glad that the Optifine deal didn't go through, that thing is incredibly archaic and outdated. Also closed source- they could just effectively implement a lot of the known improvements other mods make regardless of "permission."

great video, really helps uneducated fans.

tbh reprogramming the entirety of minecraft for just optimizations sounds like a good idea, they are one of the most popular games out there and losing players because it slowly gets unplayable ist kinda dumb '''b- but they are a small dev team, you are asking too much >w<'' bruh they have all the money in the world to hire programmers to help

Here's the thing: Mojang is now owned by Microsoft. Microsoft bought Mojang because of Minecraft, but not because they loved the game, it's because they love the profit it can generate. Would Microsoft rather have the game perform better, maybe yielding a 10% increase in active players, or an update with new content, potentially yielding 10% more new purchases? A profit driven company doesn't give a sh*t about the user experience beyond what is playable. They would rather get 10 people to purchase the game than to get 1000 people to continue playing it.

3:08 this is not true. Minecraft is multithreaded, cores vs threads is different to how you explained it. The way the programmer interacts with parallel processing is exclusively via threads. The operating system then decides to schedule which threads to which cores. Minecraft being singlethreaded is a bit of a myth, certain bits of mc are singlethreaded (such as the tick function, and probably the CPU portion of the renderer) due to necessity.

I’ve heard people make the joke for like 6 years straight but never got a genuine answer, HOW is this insanely rich company with all these developers working at a pace slower than a single mod developer without any changes that should be standard to any video game

Tell me this when your on calamitus and the exo mechs.

Now your just teasing me for missing your last stream 😭

Aw man I missed it

i might do an infernum run now

awesome video friend :)

The random fall damage bug was solved last month

hello i am the man that watched the stream

Do it on eternity

The pain is gonna be going

Cool! You beat the easiest boss!