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I would say this ridiculously terrible lyrics constitutes as filler: Now baby, let me fill you up inside (up inside) Spread your wings and (open wide) open wide So hot, so hot, so hot!

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 good point, sounds incredible though. To me.

@@connorburtontraining1297 definitely a different beginning with Eddie trying to innovate again as there is not an emphasis on the keyboard like the previous 2 albums. His guitar tone is back to normal and though you can hear Michael Anthony the rhythm section kind of plods along as over 5 minutes is a bit much for the song in my opinion. Thanks for watching.

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 I was curious, do you like the song “Good Enough”?

@@connorburtontraining1297 I don't. Hagar's opening "hello baby" doesn't do it for me. It's like he is trying too hard. The drum and guitar sound is shrill. My favorite Van Hagar song is 5150. I think that song is a masterpiece and even better live.

That is awesome Bill. That is the one in my opinion if you are a gigantic fan of this record. To me it's almost the equivalent of an "RL" mastered Led Zeppelin II. If you are ever interested in selling you know where to find me. Haha!!!

The first one you listed is the true first pressing and I wish I had that one. I have the second one you listed and compared that in my video to the DCC, AP and original Monarch Mono. It's still my favorite, but the louder bass on side 2 is not as appealing in my opinion as the more organic sound on side 1. Some people prefer side 2 that way, but not me. I am happy to have my copy in the condition I have, but I would prefer the true first pressing as opposed to an early first that is EQ'd on side 2.

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 thanks for the reply! I've been wondering how big the difference between the two sides really is..

@@dusanradojevic9442 it's fairly big at the beginning of Back Door Man. You notice it with the bass. After that song it doesn't seem to be that far off from Side 1, but it is cut louder.

Thank you for your comments. I typically prefer original pressings because I feel even from the audiophile companies you get a type of mastering that I don't prefer. Sometimes an original can be improved upon, but many many times that is not the case in my opinion.

Incredibly well stated, objective and fair. Two different bands in two different eras of hard rock with Eddie being the common denominator. As much grief I give Hagar, you can't blame him entirely if you are not a Van Hagar fan. Eddie changed a lot musically after Dave and felt the band needed to evolve. His musical direction was at the forefront of creating an entirely different band as much as Hagar joining. It was interesting with Dave back in the fold for A Different Kind of Truth that Eddie reverted back to playing like it was 1981 all over again. I guess Dave's talents brought out one side of Eddie and Sammy another. I respect all VH fans that like both versions. I bought the first 3 Van Hagar albums when they came out and broke down when Eddie passed and rebought 5150 on vinyl. It's hard for me to not compare the discography's of the two bands and see an enormous gap. I look at VH's first six as being as pivotal in Hard Rock as the first 6 from Zeppelin, Sabbath, Queen, Aerosmith, Kiss, AC/DC. Van Hagar just seemed like any other band by 1988. Just my opinion of course, but it seems to be shared by the masses as I never see a VH album ranking that includes more than 1 Van Hagar album in the top 6.

Outside of the debut which did use the original tapes, the 2012 Analogue Products vinyl is very good. I am not familiar with any vinyl reissues from 98', just CD. I have heard copies with (COL) in the deadwax which I believe are the Pitman pressings are very close to the Monarch. There is reason to believe the Monarchs are the only ones that didn't use a duplicate tape source back in 67'.

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Nice find. Enjoy the music!

Unfortunately I have not heard it. Someone commented below that they thought it was very good. If anyone could improve the Mono masters it would be Bernie Grundman.

Thank you. Some people prefer the compression that is added to the MON pressing to give it a loudness boost, but I prefer my Side 1 (M) and wish I had a true first pressing with (M) on both sides. I am just glad mine is in VG+ condition as this record is almost impossible to find a NM copy. The more I listen to the DCC the more I am impressed with the sound quality. Many Canadian pressings sound really great because the stampers didn't get as worn as they did in the states since smaller quantities were pressed.

Wonder if the Canadian pressings use the same lacquers as the US pressings. In my experience with various releases in general, Canadian pressings typically use lacers which are Canadian cut and sound inferior to US pressings (which use Sterling, Masterdisk, TML, etc cut lacquers)@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452

Haha!!! Thank you very much!

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Thank you very much! I too went back and listened to the DCC recently and I think I could have given it more praise. It really does sound great. I have contemplated selling the AP 45rpm, but it's The Doors and I can't bring myself to do it. Do a google search of "The Doors first two albums Steve Hoffman" as I think this will help with your search. So few original pressings of the first two Doors albums used the master tape. This forum helped me obtain the 2nd pressing Monarch (louder side 2) of the Self-Titled and my first pressing Columbia Pitman Strange Days. This pressing is the only reason I did not get the DCC for this title. Good luck!

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 The other DCC title I have is Waiting for the Sun. It really really wallops on Five to One!! Your review and thoughts really got me to thinking about this lp. I spent hours searching for which specific pressings had the possibility of just the M on both sides (there weren't many). I sent emails out and got lucky...there it was...play graded vg+, just the M on both sides. I couldn't believe it!! Should be here in a week or so. I'll keep you posted. What can you tell me about Strange Days? Same story?

@@michaellourie4252 Congrats!!! Would love to hear how it sounds. As far as Strange Days I almost pulled the trigger for a DCC recently but the AP is real nice. Because I don't love the 45rpm format and prefer originals, my go to is a NM Columbia Pitman CP-1 on both sides. This pressing along with the Monarch Mon-1 on both sides are the only two standard pressings of Strange Days not to use a duplicate tape.

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 Many Thanks for the info!

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 I got my S/T lp in today....Monarch....the seller wrote the deadwax down as (M) on both sides, but it turns out to be a (MON) on side 1 and (M) on side 2, which is backwards from your copy. Interestingly I really really like side one with the (MON) on it. It sound MEAN. You can feel Jim's rage. I have never heard a better side 1 of the lp ever!!!!! So now for side 2 (M). It sounds pretty darn good. Analyzing the song titles, I think the (MON) mastering is better for side 1 and the more reserved but still awesome (M) is better for side 2. I actually prefer the (MON) mastering for side 1 than I would have if it were an (M). How very interesting!! I will now have to go back and listen to the AP45 and decide whether or not to keep it. I may let it go. This Monarch copy and the DCC should do me superfine.!! I've got a CP-1 of Strange Days coming soon. I am so curious to see how it sounds. Do you have any knowledge about Waiting for the Sun pressings?...especially US og's?

I didn't know there were boom-boxes that had stereo/mono switches. That's wild. About the only good thing about The Doors first album in Mono is how present Morrison's vocals are in the mix. The Strange Days Mono mix is excellent.

Or Foreigner or Journey.

Thanks for watching. The DCC beats the AP because AP didn't have the original tapes. From a clean vinyl (which an original Monarch will be difficult to find) and sound quality the DCC is a great option but you will pay 4X the price as the AP. You can still go on AP's site and pay $60 for a brand new copy.

Looks like? No bar code and no "gold record" sticker. Check discogs for runoff numbers. It's not too hard to find an early stereo but as for early mono? I have one (only VG) and it's a bit rough. The VMP not only cleans up the music, it cleans up the distortion, so it's worse.

Roth killed late 70s but didn’t last long.

True, Sam had the better voice but Dave was the better frontman. Go watch VH concerts from 78-81 and no one could touch them. No one!!!!

Yup. Decent song. That is a soundtrack. I am talking about when a song is licensed. It is always Roth era and not because Sam says the VH brothers wouldn't allow it. That's a bold faced lie. One of many he tells like how he was bigger than VH in 1984.

If your version of better is cheesy lyrics, Jimmy Buffet persona, dancing on stage in Best of Both Worlds like the band The Monkees, tons of filler on those 4 albums, crappy production, didn't bring out the best in Ed like Roth then yes Van Hagar was better. In addition, there is not one VH album ranking list that has more than 1 Van Hagar in the top 6 of their Discography and that is the biggest difference between the two.

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Agree it was always Eddie, but Eddie also lost his ability to innovate during Sam's time in the band. It seems Dave just brought out the best in Ed as heard in their come back album a Different Kind of Truth.

All valid points. VH influenced many. Both Roth and Ed are responsible for that relevance. I believe that is the big difference between Roth and Sam in their prime. Everybody wanted to be Dave. I never heard anyone say that about Sam, but your right Ed wanted to grow up and Dave didn't want to play along and Sam deferred to Ed and the rest is history. Sam did get a bit of a raw deal at the end and the 04' reunion.

Correct, DLR was lucky he landed with Eddie, but make no mistake Sammy Hagar was blonde haired California lead singer long before DLR.

Van Halen was not Heavy Metal. They were Hard Rock.

@@tonycrabtree3416 true but Van Halen would not have been as successful with DLR. Even Ted Templeman who wanted Sammy Hagar in the beginning of VH days becaseu Dave was not cutting it vocally. Well, Ted says now that if he had done that Van Halen would not have been as successful as they were with Dave. Go read his book. It's all in there.

I respect Sam's solo career. I don't blame him 100% for how I feel about Van Hagar. I think VH is the best thing to ever happen to Hagar. Ed's writing suffered over time and he was no longer an innovator. Personally I think Roth brought out the best in Ed and those records with Roth are superior in every way to Sam's time in the band. Just my opinion.

Nice assessment and thank you for watching. I do prefer the (M) side. Wish I can find one in great shape that had (M) on both sides. It is a little jarring to hear the EQ differences when listening to the whole album. Mono is interesting for Morrison's voice and Densmore's drums. Wish it was not so distorted.

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 Agreed on all counts! Good luck with your search!

​@@BlueSky... I got the stero version

@@michellekostivitch3768 You are happier than you would be with the mono. Though mono is Often more kick-ass, on this one the tape was such a mess that it's not. VMP did a good job with the voice, but Krieger's guitar is so fuzzy and distorted that it works when the guitar is in one speaker and the organ in the other but out of the same speaker? Mud - most noticeable on the first track. It gets better from there on.

I have heard it is an upgrade over the 2010 and 2017 Mono reissues. Not sure how they did it as I thought the Mono tape was lost a long time ago and even the VMP was digital. I could be wrong. Either way I am glad you like it and I will have to check it out at some point.

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 I thought it was only the stereo master tape that was lost.

@@kirksmith6791 you might be right since it was used a lot more than the Mono. It is hard to decipher nowadays what the true source is with some reissues. It needs to say cut from the original master tape for me to believe there is no digital chain involved.

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 Mono original master was also lost. Jeez!

@@CharlieMessing That is what I thought. Thanks Charlie.

Couldn't have said it better myself

I felt the same at the time. I liked it better then due to the dated production and terrible lyrics. Of the 4 with Sam it would be the one I like the best.

Thank you mate! Take care.

Thank you for the comment and greatly appreciate you subscribing. I believe it is a debate that will continue unlike any other one in music. Some people are bored and get aggravated by this sort of thing, I say have fun with these topics and to your point.......Rock On!

Jeff - Whitesnake ans Ratt? As Steve would say “get outta here”. Lol

@@AlternateChannels I can see Whitesnake as I was on the fence about them vs Maiden... Ratt is in my Top 10 list because it's somewhat subjective. They did have 4 consecutive platinum albums in the 80s btw. I'll eagerly await your Top 10 :)

Jeff F in no particular order - U2, Tears For Fears, Duran Duran, The Police, Guns N Roses, REM, The Cure, AC/DC, The Cars, Van Halen

@@AlternateChannels Solid list! Only one I would argue against is GnR as they really only released Appetite in the 80s (Lies was EP and Illusion albums were in 91). You know I loved GnR and they had a huge impact...but thought the other bands dominated the 80s more.

@@AlternateChannels@Jeff F Ratt would be my favorite of the genre, but I tried not to base my list on personal favorites. They didn't make it as the younger bands started to pass them by in 87' and Whitesnake had the one big album only at least in the States.

You are so right about the lyrics. Though the song structure is similar I don't like the sound at all on OU812. Can't hear Mike's bass, Ed's brown sound is gone again like 5150. It shows you per your previous point how important Templeman and Landee were together. 86-88 Landee was doing what Ed wanted and Templeman wasn't there to offer another dimension.

@@steveatvinylrecordnetwork4452 Yes...OU812 sounds awful...but as soon as VH brought back Ted Templeman to work with Andy Jones in F.U.C.K...I think that the music on that album is the closest thing to the classic VH...Top of The World,Aftershock,Pleasure Dome are classic VH sounds minus Dave...

@@wilfredfreytes9384 I would agree. There is a fair share of filler on that record, but it does indeed sound better and the music is more aggressive and the best songs on the album surpass the previous 2 records.

Great point Wilfred. Landee and Templeman were critical to the Van Halen sound on the classic six pack.

Couldn't agree more. I remember a comment from Bon Jovi before Slippery When wet came out where he was very excited Roth was no longer in Van Halen because he thought someone else now could be the biggest hard rock band.

Bowling for Soup! Many great lyrics in that song.

That is no contest Jeff. Here is my track by track comparison: Yankee Rose>Good Enough Shy Boy>Why Can't This Be Love I'm Easy>Get Up (Don't like either, but Get Up is especially bad) Ladies Night In Buffalo>Dreams Goin' Crazy>Summer Nights Tobacco Road<Best of Both Worlds Elephant Gun>Love Walks In Big Trouble<5150 Bump and Grind>Inside 7-2 Roth!!!!

Thanks for the opportunity to post on your forum. I enjoyed the back and forth.

Thanks for the comment. I couldn't agree more. I would choose an original pressing 90-95% of the time.

Thanks for mentioning the Rhino release. I had that in my notes and missed it when I did the video. I heard the same thing regarding the Mono VMP. Appreciate you checking out the video and commenting.

@@VinylRecordNetwork for sure! you inspired me to make my own lil collection video and thanks for that as well.

@@dietrichdowning9883 Thank you. I checked it out and subscribed. Nice job!

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