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The POWER Podcast
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The POWER Podcast features interviews conducted by POWER Executive Editor Aaron Larson. Guests include power industry insiders including CEOs, engineers, lawyers, consultants, and other experts from the field. Discussions cover all sorts of topics including nuclear power, renewables, microgrids, carbon capture, digital technology, power plant upgrades, hydrogen, and much more.
180. Data Centers Consume 3% of Energy in Europe: Understand Geographic Hotspots and How AI Is Re...
The rapid rise of data centers has put many power industry demand forecasters on edge. Some predict the power-hungry nature of the facilities will quickly create problems for utilities and the grid. ICIS, a data analytics provider, calculates that in 2024, demand from data centers in Europe accounted for 96 TWh, or 3.1% of total power demand.
“Now, you could say it’s not a lot-3%-it’s just a marginal size, but I’m going to spice it up a bit with two additional layers,” Matteo Mazzoni, director of Energy Analytics at ICIS, said as a guest on The POWER Podcast. “One is: that power demand is very consolidated in just a small subset of countries. So, five countries account of over 60% of that European power demand. And within those five countries, which are the usual suspects in terms of Germany, France, the UK, Ireland, and Netherlands, half of that consumption is located in the FLAP-D market, which sounds like a fancy new coffee, but in reality is just five big cities: Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam, Paris, and Dublin.”
Predicting where and how data center demand will grow in the future is challenging, however, especially when looking out more than a few years. “What we’ve tried to do with our research is to divide it into two main time frames,” Mazzoni explained. “The next three to five years, where we see our forecast being relatively accurate because we looked at the development of new data centers, where they are being built, and all the information that are currently available. And, then, what might happen past 2030, which is a little bit more uncertain given how fast technology is developing and all that is happening on the AI [artificial intelligence] front.”
Based on its research, ICIS expects European data center power demand to grow 75% by 2030, to 168 TWh. “It’s going to be a lot of the same,” Mazzoni predicted. “So, those big centers-those big cities-are still set to attract most of the additional data center consumption, but we see the emergence of also new interesting markets, like the Nordics and to a certain extent also southern Europe with Iberia [especially Spain] being an interesting market.”
Yet, there is still a fair amount of uncertainty around demand projections. Advances in liquid cooling methods will likely reduce data center power usage. That’s because liquid cooling offers more efficient heat dissipation, which translates directly into lower electricity consumption.
Additionally, there are opportunities for further improvement in power usage effectiveness (PUE), which is a widely used data center energy efficiency metric. At the global level, the average PUE has decreased from 2.5 in 2007 to a current average of 1.56, according to the ICIS report. However, new facilities consistently achieve a PUE of 1.3 and sometimes much better. Google, which has many state-of-the-art and highly efficient data centers, reported a global average PUE of 1.09 for its facilities over the last year.
Said Mazzoni, “An expert in the field told us when we were doing our research, when tech moves out of the equation and you have energy engineers stepping in, you start to see that a lot of efficiency improvements will come, and demand will inevitably fall.”
Thus, data center load growth projections should be taken with a grain of salt. “The forecast that we have beyond 2030 will need to be revised,” Mazzoni predicted. “If we look at the history of the past 20 years-all analysts and all forecasts around load growth-they all overshoot what eventually happened. The first time it happened when the internet arrived-there was obviously great expectations-and then EVs, electric vehicles, and then heat pumps. But if we look at, for example, last year-2024-European power demand was up by 1.3%, U.S. power demand was up by 1.8%, and probably weather was the main driver behind that growth.”
“Now, you could say it’s not a lot-3%-it’s just a marginal size, but I’m going to spice it up a bit with two additional layers,” Matteo Mazzoni, director of Energy Analytics at ICIS, said as a guest on The POWER Podcast. “One is: that power demand is very consolidated in just a small subset of countries. So, five countries account of over 60% of that European power demand. And within those five countries, which are the usual suspects in terms of Germany, France, the UK, Ireland, and Netherlands, half of that consumption is located in the FLAP-D market, which sounds like a fancy new coffee, but in reality is just five big cities: Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam, Paris, and Dublin.”
Predicting where and how data center demand will grow in the future is challenging, however, especially when looking out more than a few years. “What we’ve tried to do with our research is to divide it into two main time frames,” Mazzoni explained. “The next three to five years, where we see our forecast being relatively accurate because we looked at the development of new data centers, where they are being built, and all the information that are currently available. And, then, what might happen past 2030, which is a little bit more uncertain given how fast technology is developing and all that is happening on the AI [artificial intelligence] front.”
Based on its research, ICIS expects European data center power demand to grow 75% by 2030, to 168 TWh. “It’s going to be a lot of the same,” Mazzoni predicted. “So, those big centers-those big cities-are still set to attract most of the additional data center consumption, but we see the emergence of also new interesting markets, like the Nordics and to a certain extent also southern Europe with Iberia [especially Spain] being an interesting market.”
Yet, there is still a fair amount of uncertainty around demand projections. Advances in liquid cooling methods will likely reduce data center power usage. That’s because liquid cooling offers more efficient heat dissipation, which translates directly into lower electricity consumption.
Additionally, there are opportunities for further improvement in power usage effectiveness (PUE), which is a widely used data center energy efficiency metric. At the global level, the average PUE has decreased from 2.5 in 2007 to a current average of 1.56, according to the ICIS report. However, new facilities consistently achieve a PUE of 1.3 and sometimes much better. Google, which has many state-of-the-art and highly efficient data centers, reported a global average PUE of 1.09 for its facilities over the last year.
Said Mazzoni, “An expert in the field told us when we were doing our research, when tech moves out of the equation and you have energy engineers stepping in, you start to see that a lot of efficiency improvements will come, and demand will inevitably fall.”
Thus, data center load growth projections should be taken with a grain of salt. “The forecast that we have beyond 2030 will need to be revised,” Mazzoni predicted. “If we look at the history of the past 20 years-all analysts and all forecasts around load growth-they all overshoot what eventually happened. The first time it happened when the internet arrived-there was obviously great expectations-and then EVs, electric vehicles, and then heat pumps. But if we look at, for example, last year-2024-European power demand was up by 1.3%, U.S. power demand was up by 1.8%, and probably weather was the main driver behind that growth.”
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179. District Energy Systems: The Invisible Giant of Urban Efficiency
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District energy systems employ a centralized facility to supply heating, cooling, and sometimes electricity for multiple buildings in an area through a largely underground, mostly unseen network of pipes. When district energy systems are utilized, individual buildings do not need their own boilers, chillers, and cooling towers. This offers a number of benefits to building owners and tenants. Am...
178. Why LVOE May Be a Better Decision-Making Tool Than LCOE for Power Companies
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Most POWER readers are probably familiar with levelized cost of energy (LCOE) and levelized value of energy (LVOE) as metrics used to help evaluate potential power plant investment options. LCOE measures the average net present cost of electricity generation over a facility’s lifetime. It includes capital costs, fuel costs, operation and maintenance (O&M) costs, financing costs, expected capaci...
177. How Nuclear Power Could Help Decarbonize Industrial Steam Needs
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Steam is used for a wide variety of critical processes across many industrial sectors. For example, pulp and paper facilities use steam to power paper machines, dry paper and wood products, and provide heat for chemical recovery processes. Steam is used by metal and mining companies, as well as in the food and beverage industry, petroleum refining, pharmaceutical manufacturing, textile producti...
176. Hydrogen Use Cases for the Power Industry
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Hydrogen is becoming increasingly important to the electric power generation industry for several reasons. One is that hydrogen offers a promising pathway to decarbonize the power sector. When used in fuel cells or burned for electricity generation, hydrogen produces only water vapor as a byproduct, making it a zero-emission energy source. This is crucial for meeting global climate change mitig...
175. Communication Is Key to Successful Power Projects
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Power plant construction and retrofit projects come in all shapes and sizes, but they all generally have at least one thing in common: complexity. There are usually a lot of moving pieces that must be managed. This can include sourcing the right materials and components, getting equipment delivered to the site at the right time, finding qualified contractors, and overseeing handoffs between wor...
174. Kingston Coal Ash Spill: Cleanup Workers Were the Unfortunate Losers
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On Dec. 22, 2008, a major dike failure occurred on the north slopes of the ash pond at the Tennessee Valley Authority’s (TVA’s) Kingston Fossil Plant. The failure resulted in the release of approximately 5.4 million cubic yards of coal ash spilling onto adjacent land and into the Emory River. The Kingston spill is considered one of the most significant and costly events in TVA history. In a pro...
173. Why Data Center Developers Should Think ‘Power First’
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You don’t need me to tell you how artificial intelligence (AI) is impacting the power grid; you can just ask AI. Claude, an AI assistant created by Anthropic, told POWER, “AI training and inference are driving unprecedented demand for data center capacity, particularly due to large language models and other compute-intensive AI workloads.” It also said, “AI servers, especially those with multip...
172. What Are Microreactors and How Soon Could We See One in Operation
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Microreactors are a class of very small modular reactors targeted for non-conventional nuclear markets. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) supports a variety of advanced reactor designs, including gas, liquid-metal, molten-salt, and heat-pipe-cooled concepts. In the U.S., microreactor developers are currently focused on designs that could be deployed as early as the mid-2020s. The key features...
171. The Domestic Content Bonus Credit and How to Maximize Incentives for Solar Projects
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The domestic content bonus credit is available to taxpayers that certify their qualified facility, energy project, or energy storage technology was built with certain percentages of steel, iron, or manufactured products that were mined, produced, or manufactured in the U.S. “What we’ve seen happen is just a proliferation of investments into U.S. domestic manufacturing,” Mike Hall, CEO of Anza R...
170. How Trump or Harris Would Alter the U.S.’s Energy and Power Landscape
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A new U.S. president will be inaugurated in less than five months. Polls show the race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris to be very close, with potentially only a few swing states deciding the election. While energy policy may not be a deciding factor for many Americans in choosing who they will vote for, it is very important to power industry professionals. With that in mind, Mary Anne Su...
169. Fuel Cells: What They Are, How They Work, and Why They’re Important
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Fuel cells are not some novel new technology. In fact, most history books credit the invention of the fuel cell to Welsh chemist and physicist William Grove, who, in the late 1830s and early 1840s, conducted experiments proving that electric current could be produced from an electrochemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen over a platinum catalyst. Yet, fuel cells never really took off as a...
168. Landrieu: Natural Gas Is ‘Not the Enemy, It Is Part of the Solution’ to Achieving Climate Goals
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Former U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), who is now a senior policy advisor for the law firm Van Ness Feldman and co-chair of the Natural Allies Leadership Council, is keen on natural gas and believes it is part of the solution to reaching both domestic and global climate goals. “Natural gas in America is not the enemy,” Landrieu said as a guest on The POWER Podcast. “The majority of the emissio...
167. Shifting from Coal to Gas: One Co-op’s Award-Winning Journey
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In 2018, Cooperative Energy, a generation and transmission co-op headquartered in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, had an issue to deal with. Several years earlier, it had joined the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO), giving the power provider access to a competitive market. However, Cooperative Energy’s R.D. Morrow Sr. Generating Station, a 400-MW two-unit coal-fired facility that had o...
166. Analyst Says Nuclear Industry Is ‘Totally Irrelevant’ in the Market for New Power Capacity
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Nuclear power has consistently provided about 19% to 20% of total annual U.S. electricity generation since 1990. It provides significant amounts of electricity in many other countries as well. According to data from The World Nuclear Industry Status Report (WNISR), a total of 414 reactors were operating in 32 countries, as of July 1, 2024. Preliminary data says China generated the second-most e...
165. How to Improve U.S. Power Distribution System Reliability
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165. How to Improve U.S. Power Distribution System Reliability
164. Why the U.S. Government Should Fund Cybersecurity Efforts to Protect Power Grid
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164. Why the U.S. Government Should Fund Cybersecurity Efforts to Protect Power Grid
163. Effective Training and Mentoring Programs Are Critical to Power Project Success
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163. Effective Training and Mentoring Programs Are Critical to Power Project Success
162. How PG&E Is Reducing Wildfire Risks Using Satellite Imagery
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162. How PG&E Is Reducing Wildfire Risks Using Satellite Imagery
161. How Regulatory Burdens and Misguided Incentives Are Degrading Power System Reliability
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161. How Regulatory Burdens and Misguided Incentives Are Degrading Power System Reliability
160. How Grid Enhancing Technologies Are Expanding Electric Power Transmission System Capabilities
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160. How Grid Enhancing Technologies Are Expanding Electric Power Transmission System Capabilities
159. Navigating the Interconnection Queue Is One of Many Challenges Clean-Energy Projects Face
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159. Navigating the Interconnection Queue Is One of Many Challenges Clean-Energy Projects Face
158. Molten Salt Reactor Technology Solves Several Nuclear Industry Problems
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158. Molten Salt Reactor Technology Solves Several Nuclear Industry Problems
157. How Utilities Are Planning for Extreme Weather Events and Mitigating Risks
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157. How Utilities Are Planning for Extreme Weather Events and Mitigating Risks
156. Community Solar Projects Bring Renewable Energy to the Masses
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156. Community Solar Projects Bring Renewable Energy to the Masses
155. Improving Nuclear Plant Construction Processes: How to Build Projects More Efficiently
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155. Improving Nuclear Plant Construction Processes: How to Build Projects More Efficiently
154. Hydrogen: ‘The Swiss Army Knife of Decarbonization’
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154. Hydrogen: ‘The Swiss Army Knife of Decarbonization’
153. PGE Leans into an All-of-the-Above Strategy to Decarbonize Its Power System
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153. PGE Leans into an All-of-the-Above Strategy to Decarbonize Its Power System
151. Microgrids a Win for Both Owners and Grid Operators
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151. Microgrids a Win for Both Owners and Grid Operators
Dr Weinberg stated that the PWR will not meltdown if 500 MWth or less. Industry made them too big to be safe. Nixon fired Dr Weinberg because he was too concerned about safety.
Good stuff
Great podcast!
A little sketchy, almost nothing on the UA-cam reviews for these batteries and they are getting a DOE contract to build a US plant?? Cheers
Burning methane in cars is just stupid. Candy coat with a bit of greenwashing your only fooling yourself
From an environmental and dependency perspective flow batteries are superior. How about cycles, c-rate, depth of charge and operations?