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Fiction Applied
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Hello! Welcome to Fiction Applied. I'm Geoff Cassidy, a reader, writer, and story teller.
Ever since I was a kid, I have always loved stories, and I decided to make this channel devoted to breaking stories down and figuring out what makes them work. I wanted to know how J. K. Rowling made Hogwarts, how I learned more about humanity from East of Eden than all my history classes, and how Orwell and Dostoevsky were able to see and predict what everyone else seemed to miss.
I want to discover why and how fiction stories often offer more truth than anything else.
Some of my favorite writers are J. R. R. Tolkien, Alexandre Dumas, J. K Rowling, Gene Wolfe, John Steinbeck, Haruki Murakami, Kentaro Miura, and Naoki Urasawa.
Favorite TV shows are The Prisoner (1967), True Detective, Gintama, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Pluto.
Top Movies are Millers Crossing, Hail Caesar, Fight Club, Arrival, Summer Wars, Spirited Away, and Interstellar
Ever since I was a kid, I have always loved stories, and I decided to make this channel devoted to breaking stories down and figuring out what makes them work. I wanted to know how J. K. Rowling made Hogwarts, how I learned more about humanity from East of Eden than all my history classes, and how Orwell and Dostoevsky were able to see and predict what everyone else seemed to miss.
I want to discover why and how fiction stories often offer more truth than anything else.
Some of my favorite writers are J. R. R. Tolkien, Alexandre Dumas, J. K Rowling, Gene Wolfe, John Steinbeck, Haruki Murakami, Kentaro Miura, and Naoki Urasawa.
Favorite TV shows are The Prisoner (1967), True Detective, Gintama, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Pluto.
Top Movies are Millers Crossing, Hail Caesar, Fight Club, Arrival, Summer Wars, Spirited Away, and Interstellar
WESTWORLD - A Villain's Monologue - Fear and Power
One of my favorite scenes in Westworld is where Dr. Ford and Theresa are sitting at a restaurant and talking. Those familiar will know where I’m going, but I wanted to show how this scene was created. Explain the writing behind the magic. There’s two aspects to explore. The first is character and dynamic. What does it take to draw the audience in, and set up this tension, and create a world that can flip at a moments notice and shock and awe the audience. It creates this singular moment where we realize how brilliant and powerful a character is that it changes the entire dynamic of the show.
See the full clip at ua-cam.com/video/8dagzaFjHU4/v-deo.html
Chapters:
00:00 Westworld
00:45 Intro
02:05 The Park and the Hosts
03:40 The Guests
04:15 Bernard, Theresa, Dr. Ford
08:35 New Narrative
09:45 The Magic Behind the Scene
13:10 The Talk
14:35 Anthony Hopkins 1
16:35 Anthony Hopkins 2
20:00 Conclusion
Music by Simon Swerwer,
Cuggin's Cove,
Emergence,
Inith and Od Travel North
See the full clip at ua-cam.com/video/8dagzaFjHU4/v-deo.html
Chapters:
00:00 Westworld
00:45 Intro
02:05 The Park and the Hosts
03:40 The Guests
04:15 Bernard, Theresa, Dr. Ford
08:35 New Narrative
09:45 The Magic Behind the Scene
13:10 The Talk
14:35 Anthony Hopkins 1
16:35 Anthony Hopkins 2
20:00 Conclusion
Music by Simon Swerwer,
Cuggin's Cove,
Emergence,
Inith and Od Travel North
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MR. INBETWEEN - Ray Get's Kidnapped - Suspense and Payoff
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Is Tyrion Lannister a DEI Character? - Game of Thrones -
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Sailing to Sarantium - My Favorite Scene - Intro to Caius Crispin - Guy Gavriel Kay
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I recently went through Guy Gavriel Kay’s two books, his duology, Sailing to Sarantium and Lord of Emperors. They were fantastic and I loved them. The main draw for me in the first book was the main character. A mosaicist named Caius Crispus, who goes by Crispin for most of the book. He doesn't fit the mold for the typical main character. I'm comparing him with Devin from Tigana, who's young, f...
Lord of the Rings - Mines of Moria "Found Footage" - Balin's Tomb in the Novel
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I’m going to talk about the Mines of Moria scene, in the novel, Fellowship of the Ring, which is one of my favorites. When the Fellowship of the Ring is inside Moria, they find the book of Balin and it tells of what happened to him. This follows what we now would call ‘found footage.’ Obviously this book came out way before found footage became a thing but it follows in the role that found foot...
Andor - Creating the Enemy - The Empire of Evil
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Lord of the Rings - The Problem with Sauron - The Greatest Antagonist Never Seen
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Andor - The Greatest Heist in the Galaxy
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Andor - World Building Done Right - Creating a Town That Feels Alive
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also .. it's Dolores ( as anagram for - or Delos )
Interesting. I never made that connection. I loved all the symbolism in the show.
This idea or concept hits hard when you were born into as cult .
Oof I hadn't even considered that. I hope it's helped, even a little!
I suspect season one is already Ford's fidelity story
"Better"? Try Best of the new stuff. I realize that isn't saying much, but it ranks up there with the original trilogy.
Are you talking about Rogue One or Andor? For Andor, I completely agree. It's a phenomenal show. One of the best I've seen in a long time.
@@geoffcassidy9981 Both are great, since Andor season 2 adds to Rogue One According toTony Gilroy, I would suggest to wait watching Rogue One until you finish Andor
Yeah I think I'm going to. Especially since I've waited this long. With season 2 coming out soon as well.
1. I think you may have missed the post-credit scene on the last episode: ua-cam.com/video/sC8gwqu1_L8/v-deo.html 2. The Bothans were mentioned in the briefing scene in ROTJ, not ANH. They have nothing to do with this storyline
1. Ah yes, I did miss that. I am looking to seeing the Death Star formally introduced in the story. 2. I mixed the two in my head, thank you for clarifying!
I want to see more of my man Luthen!
Not only the character is really interesting, to the point og ending being the most memorable part of the whole series, but the actor choice was "chef's kiss". Andy Serkis is just amazing.
Yes! I was surprised they could get such a good actor for seemingly a "side" character. And he killed it.
absolute cinema
Yeah when they finally break out of the prison, it's such a good moment.
@@geoffcassidy9981 i was making a joke bc his name is kino, but unironically this show is absolute cinema that scene is fucking awesome and i cant swim didnt make me cry but it did make me feel alot
Right in the feels! That's where it matters.
I can't swim killed me from the inside
Yeah after everything they went through to hit that point.
Cool video
Thank you!
Many characters are evil, but some characters are evil 2x
Big Evil.
Honestly if you think about it from the perspective of the neolithic fathers, you start to realize, and I'm speaking from a place of no small experience and report, that the actual angle of influence in this dichotomy where are characters are faced with the impossible, is that you never really know that you love her until you let her go.
Well said!
But what I really want to know is, what was Aragorn's tax policy????
Maybe Amazon will do a new show about tax policy in Middle Earth.
@@geoffcassidy9981 that's the show we didn't know we needed
And or what?
Who knows if we'll ever find out!
Yeah but he didn't eat a raw fish and then bitch about taters. So...
I think that'll be in Andor season 2. Almost positive.
Such a good episode.
It's fantastic. I never thought I'd love Dave so much either.
No.
Hey thanks for stopping by! I'd be interested to hear what you thought after watching the video.
Calling everything DEI/woke is just the new version of calling everything racist
Give the video a watch, it may surprise you.
worst fucking title for a video ive ever fucking seen, get a grip
It's meant to catch attention and I can see it worked. I do hope you watched the video because I probably went a different direction than what you are thinking.
@@geoffcassidy9981 normalising language like that is going to get people killed and ruin lives whichever way you used or meant it, i dont think there's any room for using it whether it's clickbait or not tbh i might give the video a watch later but unless you use this video to deconstruct the very language you used in the title and explain why it's an issue i don't think it's going to sway my point
I define what I mean by DEI in the video and explain my thoughts. If you have already made up your mind before watching the video, I doubt I'm going to convince you otherwise, but I do appreciate you stopping by. Comments and engagements helps small channels out a lot.
@@geoffcassidy9981 you call things DEI and list J.K. rowling as one of your favourite authors, i know what you are
@@geoffcassidy9981 also i watched the first 5 minutes of the video and you legitimised the term DEI and treated it seriously which is already more than enough to write you off as an unintelligent reactionary
Tysha was NOT a whore.
You are correct! I went back and reread some plot points and forgot that. Tywin wanted Tyrion to think she was a whore and framed it as such.
You can have diversity characters but Do Not make them mary-sue,They must have balance bewteen their faults and qualities.
Yes very much so. Taking a diverse character and making them utterly perfect doesn't help.
DEI is good, objectively. If you don't think so, it's entirely possible you have too much weird personal identity investment in whatever it is you're looking at. Sword & sorcery fiction has been stuck in a horrible rut for a long time, just flailing in the shadow of Tolkien. "Guy who was always destined to win finally defeats the swarthy & untrustworthy races of the East & South." Put a fat guy with ADHD in it. Put a disabled bisexual in it. And for god's sake hurry up! We're bored to tears of the same old horsesh|t, and so is GRRM. As an aside, it's not exactly a surprise to hear this sentiment coming from the ASOIAF fandom, which (in the words of A-S-X) is doing the equivalent of staring at a parked car for 11 years making "vroom vroom" noises. Read some Ursula Le Guin & touch grass.
I agree it's good. The main point I'm trying to make is that it should be well crafted and to not sacrifice the character itself. I definitely think Sword and Sorcery follows a lot of the same tropes in terms of characters which is why Tyrion is such an interesting character because he breaks the mold. For your second point I'm not sure who it's aimed at but I definitely agree to reading Le Guin!
DEI is mostly neutral but can be a bit bad. Randomly race changing characters can result in some world building problems but it can be done in a way that preserves the story like with Corlys Velaryon. A fat man is certainly not outrunning the orcs in Moria, though, so it doesn't make much sense to put him in LOTR.
One of the key, most biggest mistakes I see writers make when trying to make their story more inclusive is that they forget to make it good.
Yeah there's a sacred rule to writing which is if it's good, you can get away with just about anything.
The issue is that the writers themselves aren't good writers and lack intelligence because they were hired for ticking boxes rather than for skill. Meritocracy > Tribalism.
@@cattraknoff as soon as you people see a black dude with a job you're very quick to make clear that it's definitely not because he's skilled perhaps your entire point is that only those like yourself can possibly be talented and skilled, and anyone else is clearly there not on merit but on some top secret agenda instead, intended to replace the good ones who are more like you maybe some introspection on this thinking would prove healthy for you
@@millimeter02 I didn't even mention black writers lol. Most Hollywood writers these days are feminist white women along with gay white men. I've got no issues with black guys that get a job when they earn it. Affirmative action existing does call that into doubt however anywhere it is used. You're projecting your own racism on to me. As someone who lives in a 99 percent white area I've met more white idiots, incompetents, and psychopaths than any other. People are individuals. Enough of your tribalism.
Peter Dinklage!
Short man (short)
Indeed!
I remember rather liking this book and the author's style. Saw them on the shelf a few months ago and though I should give them a reread. Probably do that today.
Give it a try! But yeah it definitely took a bit for me to fully get into it.
Hey I adore this channel so if you’ll forgive me arrogance, I wanted to recommend a couple of books for you to cover: Conan the Barbarian: Queen of the Black Coast by Robert E. Howard Children of Hurin by Jrr Tolkien Call of Cthulhu by HP Lovecraft Armor by John A. Steakly
Thank you for the recommendations! I've read all except Armor, so I'll have to check that out. And it has been a long time for Children of Huron so I may be done for a reread.
@ Just think on this, a Catholic man writes better grimdark in one book, where as it takes 15 years for an atheist hippie to never finish his.
Lol good deal, I'll check it out.
Great vid!
I think Jackson’s films capture Sauron perfectly, Sauron is a Maia, which is an Angel in Tolkien’s Legendarium, he is arguably one of the most powerful of the Maiar, second to Eonwe, the herald of Manwë. Sauron is a Fallen Maia, a Fallen Angel or Demon, he was the right hand man of Morgoth, who is the Devil, so if Morgoth is Satan/Lucifer/Samael then Sauron is Beelzebub. Jackson captures Sauron’s presence perfectly, an absolutely imposing figure in demonic armour capable of decimating entire lines of infantry with a single strike of his Mace, while the scene from the book where he wrestles Gil-Galad and Elendil was cut from the films, I think Sauron simply swatting Elendil away and then snapping Narsil is more effective at conveying how much more Sauron is than them. Then throughout the rest of the films we don’t physically see him, only as the Eye atop Barad-Dur, and while in the Books Sauron is not actually an eye, it’s also the case in the films, Sauron is simply projecting his will through his Palantir and the spires of Barad-Dur is a projector or conduit, for him to channel his will through the Palantir, because he isn’t limited like the Wizards are, despite being fellow Maiar, cannot exert as much as he can. The Eye is a perfect representation of his demonic presence, that he does literally see everything from his tower and is still far more powerful than everyone else, and he is still the most powerful being in Middle Earth without the Ring, he manages to corrupt Saruman completely and he used to scare Gandalf and Elrond even though he is vastly weakened without the One Ring. But by far the best adaptation and portrayal of Sauron comes from the Hobbit films, he takes on a physical yet spectral form, and it really emphasises the demonic and evil presence he has, to the point that it’s practically an extreme exorcism to send him out of Dol-Guldur, Benedict Cumberbatch even insisted on recording his Black Speech in reverse, they then reversed the recording to what it should be and the result is terrifying. While the Hobbit isn’t the best adaptation it did do Sauron the best, even though he is just mentioned on a few pages in both the Hobbit book and the Appendices of Return of the King when the Hobbit takes place. Rings of Power tries to capture how Sauron’s original motives prior to his corruption by Morgoth, and then after Morgoth’s defeat, were to turn Middle Earth into the beautiful paradise it once was during the years of the Lamps when the Valar once lived there. But his need of control and basically OCD on steroids drive back into his evil he had been corrupted into by Morgoth. Rings of Power wastes time with the whole Halbrand plot, when none exists in the books, and only establishes Annatar later, but Sauron did not die nor lose his body after the War of Wrath, he was himself up until he took on the form of Annatar, and he did this to achieve his desires to make Middle Earth beautiful and preserve it through the Rings, but he succumbs to Morgoth’s influence when he forged the One Ring, as he sought to achieve the goal through domination and began to desire to enslave all life to his will. When he puts on his Ring, the Elves are terrified and take them off, Sauron then fully becomes the Dark Lord we know and marches to Eregion, leading the hordes of Orcs, Trolls and Werewolves he had amassed, while Adar is an interesting character, he’s better off in an adaptation of the Silmarillion to show how Orcs came from Elves, not leading the Orcs against Sauron, as the Orcs willingly followed Sauron because they had little purpose and struggled amongst themselves following Morgoth’s defeat. While Sauron did dominate the Orcs initially, he was actually revered and adored by his Orcs as he treated his Orcs better than Morgoth had. Rings of Power is trying too hard to convey him as the master manipulator he is, but the whole Galadriel romance, Halbrand and the mish mashing of the timeline of events strips the presence he has in the Jackson films and Tolkien’s Legendarium. While Rings of Power does get his original motive correct, and that he does go to Eregion, does take on the form of Annatar and co forges the rings with Celebrimbor, he doesn’t take on the form of Halbrand, he doesn’t go after Galadriel and only focuses on the Rings, Galadriel in fact was suspicious of him and stayed away from Annatar. Rings of Power will always be the worst adaptation of Tolkien’s Legendarium, because it’s what Amazon wants, poor writing, inserting world breaking garbage and pushing the mainstream media messages that do not exist there, it’s not like something they can insert their own message into, this is where Jackson’s films succeed and Amazon fails, Jackson made sure to keep as faithful to the source material as he could whilst adapting it for film, I even argue Jackson made a lot of the characters much better. But he always tried to keep true to source material, even with additions like Lurtz, Tauriel, Azog and Bolg being present throughout all of the Hobbit etc. Amazon doesn’t care about Tolkien at all.
Love the video!! Movie is hilariuos😂😂
Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be so good. I hadn't heard much of anything about it before.
Just found your page like 37 seconds ago! subbedddd
Awesome! Thank you!
man you deserve more subs
Thank you! I appreciate it! Little by little we're growing!
Excellent vid dude!
Thank you! Appreciate it.
Bram Stoker did the same thing in “Dracula”. Dracula is the titular character (just like Sauron!), but rarely appears physically in the book, and when he does, is often shapeshifted.
The Aldani heist was my personal favorite arc of the entire show, not taking anything away from the rest of the show of course. When was the last time a Star Wars show made you scared of a tie fighter? The character and world building was excellent. I was legitimately saddened by the death of the various crew members, in particular Nemik. Also, the ship escaping through the eye was a visual spectacle! Very well done!!
Yeah they did such a good job with that arc. All the side characters felt unique and you cared about them. The visual effect of the eye was incredible and made me wish I could have watched it in a movie theater.
Good reviews and thinking. I wander what you think of the bear season 3. I didn't like it very much but I need help to identify what's wrong about it.
Thank you! I'm hoping to watch it soon, but it takes me forever to finish things so we'll see.
Stopped watching upon hearing "So-ron". You don't need to do the ridiculous rolled r of horrible rings of power lady, but if you're going to have the pretense of talking about these things, then c'mon...
I can safely say my videos are not for you. Thanks for stopping by.
I love how your Harvey Specter looks more like Bart Simpson
Haha thank you!
So, did you finish the show?
No, I started to lose interest. I disliked how they kept dragging the question of who her father was around and I didn't like Tom and started to dislike Elizabeth more and more. But the first 2 seasons were fun and engaging.
Sauron does hold a grudge though. It literally caused his downfall. His grudge is with the line of isildur and it caused him to be blind to frodo and focus on aragorn instead. Thus his grudge caused his downfall. This guy knows nothing of sauron and his history yet whines and moans about rings of power.
Hey! This guy here. I believe there were a few factors that went into Sauron focusing on Aragorn. The two main ones that come to mind is the army he had with him along with Gandalf. This idea though goes to the point of the video. Drawing Sauron's focus is the goal of the main characters but we don't know how it was interpreted by Sauron because of how we don't get his POV. We can get a pretty good idea, because the plan works. But the logic and reasoning on Sauron's end is unknown. I am interested because you seem to appreciate the Rings of Power more than I did, can you tell me what you like about it?
Sauron lives in a tower over in Muuhahhaaa
&/or
Andor!
So would that mean there’s no right way to adapt the parts of the Middle Earth history where Sauron is active in person? Is Rings of Power a misfire because of the failures in choices it makes, or is telling the story where Annatar manipulates Celebrimbor and distributed the rings… or taking it back further doing Beren and Lúthien where Sauron is an on stage opponent to be fought, inherently not an option that can be done successfully at all?
Absolutely not. I'm saying it would be hard to do so because of how Sauron is in the book trilogy and movies. It can be done. But would require a very talented writer and one who understood the lore and history. Rings of Power is a misfire for a number of reasons and not because it portrayed Sauron as a person. The problem with the show is the writing and world building as a whole for me and I wanted to highlight how and why Sauron''s character is very tricky to deal with for any adaptation.
He is not completely without representation. E.g. in his "normal" form, even without the ring, he was larger than normal (I guess 1.5 times - the ring was larger too). Apparently his skin or at least hands were also as hot as fire at least when fighting or for longer periods of time, at least before he was defeated by a bunch of big shots (who mostly died) with special weapons etc. and his ring cut from his hand. Already before that, after the downfall of Númenor, for which he was largely responsible, he apparently lost his ability to give himself a "fair" appearance, meaning, like Morgoth or most evil things, he was very ugly thereafter. His eyes are both metaphorical and literal. In the even more mythical times, before the downfall of Beleriand (which was like the first Middle-Earth, next to the familiar one), he could turn into a giant werewolf and a giant vampire bat, and probably other times appeared like a larger than normal menacing, intimidating elf, at least in the situation of sitting on a throne talking to prisoners... (I'm not sure about the latter part, or what descriptions were then, but it seems quite possible that this was sort of the image.)
I'd say this is far more of a problem for the films, where Sauron is mostly (except right at the start) portrayed as a dis-embodied eye on top of a tower. In the books, its clear that Sauron is at least humanoid, having nine fingers. He also briefly speaks when Merry looks into the Palantir, but his actual appearance is never described in detail. In ROP, his power is mostly only manifest after the reveal, where he does a number of impressive actions, effortlessly deflecting Galadriel's attack, and plcing her into a dream world. This is even more the case in season 2. I'd say this works pretty well in having a powerful villain who is also personalised. Its the norm in many films for a reason.
I like to think that Sauron does have a humanoid form in the movies, he just uses the eye to keep watch over Mordor from inside his tower.
Awesome and the movie as well. The Magician
I still need to watch it! I've just finished season 2 of the show so far.
I think the other thing that people struggle with and RoP definitely messes up is that Sauron is a being as old as time itself. Sauron helped sing the world into creation and played a role in its ordering. He is countless thousands of years old, assuming “time” can even apply to one like him. He’s not a human with human thought processes. How does such a being be think, view time, view others?
That is something very tricky. I even think it's hard to imagine what and how the elves should think and act. Trying to imagine what a normal human would be like if they were a thousand years old. How they would approach life. It's hard to think through but that's what it takes to capture a world and characters like this. But as I said, it's hard and Sauron is only harder which I why I think most stories in Middle Earth, at least the ones I've seen, have either created a different main villain or kept him in the background.
Peter Jackson daid it was a big problem with having the villian as a flaming eye. Basically he said was they had commanders for him so they wouldn't have a physical representation of them.
Yeah I can see that. I think his name was Gorbag but the guy who leads the assault on Osgiliath and the Witch King do a good job of filling the physical role of a villain while allowing Sauron to remain a force and presence.
Interesting format. Wasn’t too keen on it at first, but it grew on me. I hadn’t thought so much about the appeal of the show, but I think you’re spot on.
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According to IMDB, Sauron has less than five minutes of screen time. That doesn't sound right when you think about how his presence is felt throughout the story, and that's because it's not. Whoever counted forgot to include the Ring.
Interesting. I always saw them as separate but also that Sauron poured himself into the ring to where they were linked.
I see it as an extension of his being. Every time a character interacts with the Ring, it speaks in Sauron's voice.