Transcendent Philosophy
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Відео

Political Free Will
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With @polymathpark
Morality is as objective as Gravity
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Morality is about what we ought to do. What we ought to do is in relation to goals. Evolution gives us our goals. Once a goal exists, an objectively best pathway to the goal also exists. What we ought to do is navigate towards the goal along the objectively best pathway. Game theory is the study of how we calculate these objectively best pathways in complex social space.
Atheist vs. Theist: Evolution of Objective Morality
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Seth and Steven discuss the similarities and differences between their meta-ethical approaches to the evolution of morality, given their drastically different atheistic physicalist and theist idealist paradigms.
Conscious Algorithms with Conditionable Will
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Seth and Bryan discuss how the Chinese Room thought experiment applies to AI consciousness, how moral responsibility might work absent free will, and what it means to be conditionable.
Canute's Awakening - A Transcendent Purpose
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In the anime Vinland Saga, Prince Canute faces the greatest challenge of his life - complete isolation that forces him to either evolve or perish. What results is a transformation that shocks the people around him. A new understanding of love that reveals to him his transcendent purpose - an idea so beautiful he will be willing to die for it.
FREE AGENTS - A refutation
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BLOG: transcendentphilos.wixsite.com/website/post/unfree-agents-a-refutation Detailed review of Kevin Mitchell's book, "Free Agents - How Evolution Gave us Free Will"
Free Will Definitions: Lets clear up the semantic debate!
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Free Will Definitions: Lets clear up the semantic debate!
AI MUSIC VIDEO "Yet I Remain" (( Evolutionary Philosophy ))
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AI MUSIC VIDEO "Yet I Remain" (( Evolutionary Philosophy ))
Neurotransmitters and Demons
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Neurotransmitters and Demons
We follow the Flow of Electricity
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We follow the Flow of Electricity
The Downside of being TOO NICE
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The Downside of being TOO NICE
Nietzsche's Philosophy of the Individual (or lack thereof)
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Nietzsche's Philosophy of the Individual (or lack thereof)
DEBATE: Moral Realism vs. Antirealism - Is morality objective?
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DEBATE: Moral Realism vs. Antirealism - Is morality objective?
After Socrates Simplified: Episode 3 - Dialectic into Dia-logos
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After Socrates Simplified: Episode 3 - Dialectic into Dia-logos
After Socrates Simplified: Episode 2 - Socrates the Monstrous
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After Socrates Simplified: Episode 2 - Socrates the Monstrous
Credentist Epistemology: The Yin and Yang of Knowledge
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Credentist Epistemology: The Yin and Yang of Knowledge
After Socrates Simplified: Episode 1
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After Socrates Simplified: Episode 1
After Socrates Simplified: Intro
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After Socrates Simplified: Intro
[LIVE ACTION] Pain: Cycles of Hatred - The Ultimate Philosophic Challenge to Naruto
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[LIVE ACTION] Pain: Cycles of Hatred - The Ultimate Philosophic Challenge to Naruto
CHINA: How to avoid war?
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CHINA: How to avoid war?
Transcending Polarization: Avoiding Civil War
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Transcending Polarization: Avoiding Civil War
Sophia the Heavenly Mother Goddess of Wisdom
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Sophia the Heavenly Mother Goddess of Wisdom
Joseph Smith's bloodline creating a new religion??
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Joseph Smith's bloodline creating a new religion??
God, Suffering, and Psychedelics - the Manifold Manifestations of Consciousness
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God, Suffering, and Psychedelics - the Manifold Manifestations of Consciousness
Theism vs Atheism: a Dialectical Approach
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Theism vs Atheism: a Dialectical Approach
Mathematical Morality - Introducing the Meta-Ought
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Mathematical Morality - Introducing the Meta-Ought
"The Giver" Review - Philosophy of Utopias
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"The Giver" Review - Philosophy of Utopias
What is TRANSCENDENT PHILOSOPHY?
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What is TRANSCENDENT PHILOSOPHY?
Snarky Atheists Ranting Part II - design argument fails at every level
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Snarky Atheists Ranting Part II - design argument fails at every level

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @CarloBenevissi
    @CarloBenevissi 15 днів тому

    Love this subject - Where can I find the 3 of you on social media?

  • @nicoletatyana7371
    @nicoletatyana7371 23 дні тому

    Beautiful 🙏🏼

  • @real_pattern
    @real_pattern 26 днів тому

    if determinism is the case, then there are no tradeoffs, just our limited access to information & mentally simulating vaguely sketched non-actual (impossible) counterfactual states of affairs.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 25 днів тому

      Determinism just means that everything has a cause. Determinism does not preclude choice.

    • @real_pattern
      @real_pattern 25 днів тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy if something isn't actually the case, inferring that it never in fact was possible for reality to be any of the ways that it isn't, is more warranted than a contingentarian inference. we may label some phenomena 'choice', but if there's only one thing that is possible, then the never-actual, *imagined* tradeoffs that some may say all exist in a virtual domain of potentiality, were in fact always already just vaguely imagined mental simulations.

    • @real_pattern
      @real_pattern 25 днів тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy btw, in fundamental physics, determinism is acausal in the sense that from initial conditions, the way systems evolve can be described with extremely rigid patterns, but it's not such that "x makes y happen." so perhaps explanation may be more apt than causation, since a "really robust" 'bodies touching & making events happen' kind of causal explanation isn't the kind that works in our best theory. necessitarianism may be the case, so that nothing could have been in any way otherwise, regardless of whether whatever exists is atomic, or a singular existent, brutely acausally occurring in patterned ways (random), or there's a causal structure. on either views, 'choice' isn't anything over & above a post-hoc interpretation of actual phenomena which is associated with imagining ways the world isn't, proximal to doing something while being vastly more ignorant than not.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 25 днів тому

      @@real_pattern I dont attribute "could have done otherwise" to the definition of a choice.

    • @real_pattern
      @real_pattern 25 днів тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy sans the notion that a 'choice' discards countless truly potential (?) realities that will not be actual because of the choice, i'm not quite sure i see the motivation for any notion of choice except as correct description of what in fact x does in situations where it seems like there are options. it also seems to me that a 'choice' is construed as if it's some singular, irreducible, fundamentally simple phenomenon, but i don't think that there's any empirical motivation to suppose that any human behavior is that way. one word tracks a subset of a colossally, ridiculously complex causal structure or necessitarian randomness, but there's no actual simplicity.

  • @SigmaFemale-s3p
    @SigmaFemale-s3p 28 днів тому

    Love u

  • @DollarStoreBuilds
    @DollarStoreBuilds Місяць тому

    I think the show captures the importance of both well. If we accept that there is no point in attaining perfection, we idle and lose our ambitions. I think the pursuit of perfection is perfection in itself, willing to change and improve, but never settling for circumstantial perfection.

  • @Terranova0
    @Terranova0 Місяць тому

    Pull the lever halfway. Although I wonder how many people are in the trolley? Oh Well.

  • @amandaconn8536
    @amandaconn8536 Місяць тому

    I’m her. Just birthed Christ In my Spirit. Rev12 just happened. To me at the end of the summer 2024

  • @ReverendDr.Thomas
    @ReverendDr.Thomas Місяць тому

    I am not really concerned about what any particular person BELIEVES. You may believe that there is an old man with a white beard perched in the clouds, that the Ultimate Reality is a young blackish-blue Indian guy, that the universe is eternal, that Mother Mary was a certifiable virgin, or that gross physical matter is the foundation of existence. The ONLY thing that really matters is your meta-ethics, not your meta-physics. Do you consider any form of non-monarchical government (such as democracy or socialism) to be beneficial? Do you unnecessarily destroy the lives of poor, innocent animals and gorge on their bloody carcasses? Do you believe homosexuality and transvestism are moral? Do you consider feminist ideology to be righteous? If so, then you are objectively immoral, and your so-called "enlightened/awakened" state is immaterial, since it does not benefit society in any way.

    • @EitherSpark
      @EitherSpark Місяць тому

      how do you arrive at your conclusion my friend?

    • @ReverendDr.Thomas
      @ReverendDr.Thomas Місяць тому

      @EitherSpark Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.

  • @AlfonsoCruz-uh1epn
    @AlfonsoCruz-uh1epn Місяць тому

    Well guys I got to say is that really surprised me this video your guys's conversation is so interested that I really thank God and thank you guys and thank you to your dad and mom dad did that beat you how to be a good person human being

  • @vampboy7
    @vampboy7 Місяць тому

    For he or she "we" are trying to fight that path "pre-destination".

  • @ReverendDr.Thomas
    @ReverendDr.Thomas Місяць тому

    🐟 22. ILLEGITIMATE GOVERNANCES: SOCIALISM (and its more extreme form, communism) is intrinsically evil, because it is based on the ideology of social and economic egalitarianism, which is both a theoretical and a practical impossibility. Equality exists solely in abstract concepts such as mathematics and arguably in the sub-atomic realm. Many proponents of socialism argue that it is purely an economic system and therefore independent of any particular form of governance. However, it is inconceivable that socialism/communism could be implemented on a nationwide scale without any form of government intervention. If a relatively small number of persons wish to unite in order to form a commune or worker-cooperative, that is their prerogative, but it could never work in a country with a large population, because there will always exist entrepreneurs desirous of engaging in wealth-building enterprises. Even a musician who composes a hit tune wants his song to succeed and earn him inordinate wealth. Socialism reduces individual citizens to utilities, who, in practice, are used to support the ruling elite, who are invariably despotic scoundrels, and very far from ideal leaders (i.e. compassionate and righteous monarchs). Those citizens who display talent in business or the arts are either oppressed, or their gifts are coercively utilized by the corrupt state. Despite purporting to be a fair and equitable system of wealth distribution, those in leadership positions seem to live a far more luxurious lifestyle than the mass of menial workers. Wealth is effectively stolen from the rich. Most destructively, virtuous and holy teachings (“dharma”, in Sanskrit) are repressed by the irreligious and ILLEGITIMATE “government”. The argument that some form of government WELFARE programme is essential to aid those who are unable to financially-support themselves for reasons beyond their control, is fallacious. A righteous ruler (i.e. a saintly monarch) will ensure the welfare of each and every citizen by encouraging private welfare. There is no need for a king to extort money from his subjects in order to feed and clothe the impoverished. Of course, in the highly-unlikely event that civilians are unwilling to help a person in dire straits, the king would step-in to assist that person, as one would expect from a patriarch (father of his people). The head of any nation ought to be the penultimate patriarch, not a selfish buffoon. DEMOCRACY is almost as evil, because, just as the rabble favoured the murderous Barabbas over the good King Jesus, the ignorant masses will overwhelmingly vote for the candidate which promises to fulfil their inane desires, rather than one which will enforce the law, and promote a wholesome and just society. Read Chapter 12 for the most authoritative and concise exegesis of law, morality, and ethics, currently available. Even in the miraculous scenario where the vast majority of the population are holy and righteous citizens, it is still immoral for them to vote for a seemingly-righteous leader. This is because that leader will not be, by definition, a king. As clearly and logically explicated in the previous chapter of this Holy Scripture, MONARCHY is the only lawful form of governance. If an elected ruler is truly righteous, he will not be able to condone the fact that the citizens are paying him to perform a job (which is a working-class role), and that an inordinate amount of time, money and resources are being wasted on political campaigning. Furthermore, an actual ruler does not wimpishly pander to voters - he takes power by (divinely-mandated) force, as one would expect from the penultimate alpha-male in society (the ultimate alpha-male being a priest). The thought of children voting for who will be their parents or teachers, would seem utterly RIDICULOUS to the average person, yet most believe that they are qualified to choose their own ruler - they are most assuredly not. Just as a typical child fails to understand that a piece of sweet, juicy, healthy, delicious fruit is more beneficial for them than a cone of pus-infested, fattening, diabetes-inducing ice-cream, so too can the uneducated proletariat not understand that they are unqualified to choose their own leader, even after it is logically explained to them (as it is in this chapter, as well as in the previous chapter). And by “uneducated”, it is simply meant that they are misguided in the realities of life and in righteous living (“dharma”, in Sanskrit), not in facts and figures or in technical training. Intelligence doesn't necessarily correlate to wisdom. No socialist or democratic government will educate its citizens sufficiently well that the citizens have the knowledge of how to usurp their rule. To put it frankly, democracy is rule by the “lowest common denominator”. It should be obvious that ANARCHY can never ever succeed, because even the smallest possible social unit (the nuclear family) requires a dominator. Any family will fall-apart without a strict male household head. In fact, without the husband/father, there is no family, by definition. The English noun “husband” comes from the Old Norse word “hûsbôndi”, meaning “master of the house”. The same paradigm applies to the extended family, which depends on a strong patriarchal figure (customarily, the eldest or most senior male). Likewise with clans, tribes, villages, towns, cities, and nations or countries. Unfortunately, there are many otherwise-intelligent persons who honestly believe that an ENTIRE country can smoothly run without a leader in place. Any sane person can easily understand that even a nuclear family is unable to function properly without a head of the house, what to speak of a populous nation. The reason for anarchists' distrust of any kind of government is due to the corrupt nature of democratic governments, and the adulteration of the monarchy in recent centuries. However, if anarchists were to understand that most all so-called “kings/queens” in recent centuries were not even close to being true monarchs, they may change their stance on that inane “system”. Most of the problems in human society are directly or indirectly attributable to this relatively modern phenomenon (non-monarchies), since it is the government’s role and sacred DUTY to enforce the law (see Chapter 12), and non-monarchical governments are themselves unlawful. One of the many sinister characteristics of democracy, socialism, and other evil forms of governance, is the desire for their so-called “leaders” to control, or at least influence, the private lives of every single citizen (hence the term “Nanny State”). For example, in the wicked, decadent nations in which this holy scripture was composed, The Philippine Islands and The Southland (or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue), the DEMONIC governments try, and largely succeed, in controlling the rights of parents to properly raise, discipline and punish their children according to their own morals, compulsory vaccination of infants, enforcing feminist ideology, limiting legitimate powers an employer has over his servants, subsidizing animal agriculture, persecuting religious leaders (even to imprisonment and death, believe it or not. Personally, I have been jailed thrice for executing God’s perfect and pure will), and even trying to negatively influence what people eat and wear. Not that a government shouldn’t control what its citizens wear in public, but it should ensure that they are MODESTLY dressed, according to the guidelines outlined in Chapter 28, which is hardly the case in Australia, the Philippines, and similar nations. At least ninety-nine per cent of Filipinas, for instance, are transvestinal, despite Philippines pretending to be a religious nation. Cont...

    • @ReverendDr.Thomas
      @ReverendDr.Thomas Місяць тому

      Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations, caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.

  • @aestheticvoid7126
    @aestheticvoid7126 2 місяці тому

    Game theory is inherently not sufficient to describe morality. Predicting the outcome of an exchange does not bear any yield to its moral contents or lack thereof. You also plainly neglect any other form of ethics or virtue in this discussion. L- take.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 2 місяці тому

      I am an antirealist about some aspects of morality and a realist about others - its likely I completely reject some aspects that you say I am "neglecting to discuss". I dont believe in free will, so the movement of agents and the movement of celestial bodies are very similar to me. I talk a lot about morality. Its impossible to address every aspect in 8 minutes.

    • @aestheticvoid7126
      @aestheticvoid7126 2 місяці тому

      I agree that morality is far too complex to be adequately addressed in an 8-minute video. However, by choosing this format, you have likely oversimplified your stance on the topic. To begin with, your definition of "morality" lacks clarity. By offering only a loose outline, you leave viewers to fill in the gaps with their own assumptions, which may diverge significantly from your intent. This risks misinterpretation, especially since your argument hints at a coherentist perspective, implying a universal moral value, (which you attempt to differentiate as objective) without evidence to substantiate its existence. Moreover, it’s unclear what version of game theory underpins your logic. Traditional game theory often models humans as rational, utility-maximizing agents-homo economicus. This lens can bias any mathematical analysis of moral actions, presupposing a narrowly rational notion of human behaviour that doesn’t encompass the breadth of moral considerations. Using game theory as a foundation for morality risks circular reasoning, where initial premises shape conclusions, leaving the model essentially self-referential. I also stand by my initial critique: game theory alone is inadequate for defining morality. Knowing an action’s outcome doesn’t determine its moral worth. Even rejecting external moral frameworks yields inconclusive patterns. For instance, there are countless actions with no clear advantage over one another, even if measurable. In your model, actions with equal "efficiency" may receive equal moral value, yet could be diametrically opposed, creating an unresolved conflict. In fact, an objectively optimal action may still clash with established efficiency-based social norms, highlighting failure points in your approach. The comments also seem to point out that your approach to gravity is misinformed. I myself am not an expert on the subject so I cannot add much on that front however: gravity can be studied epistemically, it exists ontologically-independent of human perception. Morality, on the other hand, is more plausibly epistemically objective than ontologically grounded. Without people, gravity persists; without people, morality arguably does not. Your assertion that one can simply “choose” not to believe in certain moral principles only underlines this. The romanticism of this oxymoron isn't lost on me, though perhaps I’ve misunderstood your points. It’s an intriguing thought experiment at least, and while I’d consider exploring your video catalogue for a fuller perspective, I currently simply lack the time. I do not intend to offend and hope I haven't done so, I do however disagree with your video.

  • @stephaniewolfe8705
    @stephaniewolfe8705 3 місяці тому

    Thank you

  • @wisdomofsilenus
    @wisdomofsilenus 3 місяці тому

    Existence itself seems to be a great foundation upon which to guide morality. Objectively? I'm unsure. Still, I admire this avenue of work. Best to you.

  • @feldej2
    @feldej2 3 місяці тому

    Poor take, gravity hasn't changed in, well, since the birth of the universe and it's constant based on mass which can be calculated. Morality is constantly changing, can't be measured and frankly, doesn't exist outside abstraction

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy Місяць тому

      Gravititational interactions are constantly changing from context to context. It's extremely relative.

    • @feldej2
      @feldej2 Місяць тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy Explain how it's relative. I think we may have a different definition for relative

  • @Dark-Light_Ascendin
    @Dark-Light_Ascendin 3 місяці тому

    Morality only exists in the mind of a perspective SENTIENT SINGULARITY.... WHICH INHERENTLY MAKES IT SUBJECTIVE. 😂😂😂

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Wrong. This is like saying "Movies only exist in the mind of a perspective SENTIENT SINGULARITY... WHICH INHERENTLY MAKES IT SUBJECTIVE" - this is obviously incorrect. The subjective aspect of the movie supervenes on the objective photons and pixels on a screen, which supervene on the objective binary patterns of 1s and 0s on a DVD. Subjectivity SUPERVENES on objectivity. Any phenomenon that encompasses both a subjective and objective component is transjective. Morality and gravity are transjective - both having a valid objective aspect and subjective aspect.

  • @Dark-Light_Ascendin
    @Dark-Light_Ascendin 3 місяці тому

    Bad exists... which is a subjective observation. Evil implies that GOD IS DIVIDED. Evil requires for a CREATION of GOD to be imperfect. AN IMPERFECT CREATION can only come from an imperfect CREATOR. Creation is the complete expression of pure FREEDOM. In which, there is the latentcy for every possibility & probability within CREATION. BAD & EVIL are often conflated. Evil & sin are a conceptual construct created by Religion. "Bad" is a common experience shared by all subjective perspectives. (Ppl) The common, inevitable experience of "bad" is co-opted by religion, which then juxtaposes their perception of SIN over it, in order to control the masses through mass psychosis & mass Stockholm syndrome.... By using the artificial projections of Sin & Evil as tools to convince SENTIENT SINGULARITIES to lend their DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY unto SYSTEMS and ESTABLISHMENTS which insidiously abuse this Gift to then forge chains of servitude to offer back. Those in POWER know that EVERYONE IS A FRACTAL EXTENSION OF THE GOD-HOOD.... And they do everything in their power to make sure we the ppl NEVER learn this.... The perception of a SENTIENT SINGULARITY (ppl) is the jewel of CREATION. Our consciousness is an extension of the OMNI-CONSCIOUSNESS. Every quanta of (our) experience fuels the life stream of the OMNI-VERSE. Morality can only exist in someone's mind... which Inherently makes it subjective... objective reality does not superimpose its objectivity on a subjective mind which objectively exists. A mind objectively existing does not interfere w the fact that the minds perception & perspective is RELATIVE. THERE IS OBJECTIVE REALITY. HOWEVER, ONES PERCEPTION OF THAT OBJECTIVE REALITY IS SUBJECTIVE. I AM THE BRIGHTEST NIGHT. I AM THE DARKEST LIGHT. ❤

  • @samg131
    @samg131 3 місяці тому

    You are completely wrong about gravity. Anither comment explained it well but its simply a relationship between two masses, their distance, and the universal gravitational constant G. Thats it. Always. Won't change. The resulting force we humans would experience changes but the relationship that results in those calculations doesn't. Gravity is objective

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Congratulations, you discovered the objective meta-pattern behind the stance-dependent relativistic instantiations of gravity.

  • @hamhead88
    @hamhead88 3 місяці тому

    Really the only thing this argument demonstrates as objective is the Dunning-Kruger effect.

    • @hamhead88
      @hamhead88 3 місяці тому

      You can’t just simply claim “morality is reduced to game theory” like it’s trivial. But then not show a consistent/objective way to reduce every moral scenarios to game theory. (Because it doesn’t exist, since people value outcomes differently).

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      @@hamhead88 Actually you can because "game theory" is a broad enough term to encompass all behavioral strategies. Hence, when people value different outcomes differently, they are valuing different strategies. Each strategy can be objectively measured in terms of its "goodness" by game theoretic mathematics. So, people can be objectively wrong about their moral strategies.

    • @hamhead88
      @hamhead88 3 місяці тому

      @ would be nice if you can show me how to objectively measure “goodness”

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      @@hamhead88 In game theory, we calculate which strategies are good at accomplishing the goal and which are bad. It's measurable in relationship to the goal.

    • @hamhead88
      @hamhead88 3 місяці тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy if you have an objective universal way of assigning good/bad value to outcomes then you already have objective morality. No need for game theory.

  • @nothanniballecktor9633
    @nothanniballecktor9633 3 місяці тому

    Morality is simply that set of behaviors that the majority of people within a given culture find to be acceptable or unacceptable as a matter of intuition, having been raised with those values and unable to realize they were instructed in them from youth.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Cultures invent game theoretic strategies. The "inter-subjectivity" of the cultural strategy produces a result in the world can be objectively measured by game theoretic mathematics. Morality supervenes on culture, culture supervenes on game theory, game theory supervenes on evolution. Not all cultural moral strategies are able to withstand natural selection (i.e. they are objectively worse).

    • @nothanniballecktor9633
      @nothanniballecktor9633 3 місяці тому

      @ morality is a tool that evolves over time as it’s needed, just as game theory is an invention meant to analyze certain types of competitions. They’re both social constructs; neither exist outside the minds of people, and therefore neither are objective. It’s arguable that morality isn’t even valid as a concept, but the world isn’t ready for that truth bomb.

  • @meditationstuff
    @meditationstuff 3 місяці тому

    Your argument rests on the premise that morality is reducible to game theory. Game theory can describe which moral rules will end up developing, but it can't compel an individual to stick to those rules, which is the whole point.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      I reject the idea that "compulsion" is a necessary attribute of morality. It is absolutely not the whole point. Compulsion is based on authority. Authority is based on arbitrary subjectivity. If you are interested in compulsion you can talk about the subjectivity of legality. That is not the topic of this video.

    • @meditationstuff
      @meditationstuff 3 місяці тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy When people ask "is morality objective?" they mean if someone breaks moral norms that pretty much everyone agrees with, can we say they've done something wrong objectively regardless of their opinion? Game theory only allows us to say to that person: "generally over time groups of sentient agents will converge on norms of conduct which you have violated". I suspect you've just redefined "is morality objective?" to mean "can we objectively study morality as a phenomenon?" to which the answer is obviously yes.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      @@meditationstuff Do you think there is zero relationship between "morality as a phenomenon" and "moral normativity"?

    • @meditationstuff
      @meditationstuff 3 місяці тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy Not sure what that question means, please clarify. Possible answer: I think something like game theory could describe "morality as a phenomenon" pretty much entirely so there's huge overlap. But, morality as most people understand it includes the assumption that you can say "it was wrong of you to X" and be correct or incorrect, and game theory doesn't provide for that. It only tells you the rules that most groups will end up converging on. There's no ought/should.

    • @meditationstuff
      @meditationstuff 3 місяці тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy I watched your debate with Abhishek/Curiosity. He does a way better job of expressing my position. Listening to that debate was frustrating because it's as though you're missing some kind of core intuition that everyone else has, so words that contain pointers to that intuition don't mean anything to you. An account of morality that reduces to enlightened self interest is not what most people mean by morality.

  • @piotr_jurkiewicz
    @piotr_jurkiewicz 3 місяці тому

    I fly in Minecraft

  • @matsciguy-l9h
    @matsciguy-l9h 3 місяці тому

    Profoundly absurd.

  • @wisdomofsilenus
    @wisdomofsilenus 3 місяці тому

    In the description, you say that evolution gives us our goals. What are those goals? I see that as the weakest postulate in your argument. What are we optimizing for? Maximum Happiness? Pure longevity? We could argue that evolution is the observed result of some biological systems outlasting others. Is perpetuity of the species our goal, then? Through evolution itself, the humanity of the future will not be the same as the humanity of the past. What is persisting then if not the intangible? And which systems do we choose to perpetuate? This challenge aside, I struggle to see how such an abstract goal could provide moral guidance to agents within our system. Is morality for the omniscient observer alone?

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Great question! Check out my "How to Bridge the Is-Ought Gap" for a more in-depth approach to that question! Game theory is the math for how to win the game. Evolution is the game. We are metaphysically "thrown" into the game, whether we like it or not - the rules and constraints are axiomatically placed all around us. Evolution is based on natural selection, which is based on survival and reproduction, which is based on the principle of existence. Each species is developing its own answer to the question of how to "best" exist. You are absolutely right that it is difficult to take this abstract goal and actually apply it to our lives. This is the philosophic difference between applied ethics and meta-ethics. Application is how we figure out what to do in our lives. Meta-ethics is trying to analyze the core foundations of what morality actually is. When we are trying to apply ethics, we must have a framework to apply to a situation - this is normative ethics, the construction of moral frameworks. So, you can't apply things without going a layer deeper to the framework. But how do we choose which framework to use? We must go deeper into meta-ethics to figure out how to judge frameworks. So basically, we will never be able to apply ethics properly until we can finally get some agreement at the meta-ethical layer. We must debate the abstractly deep stuff first before we can get to the benefits of application. It's a big project. Welcome aboard!

    • @wisdomofsilenus
      @wisdomofsilenus 3 місяці тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy I thank you for the detailed reply. This is the first video that I have seen from your channel, and I will take a look at some others, including the one that you mentioned. Regardless of the disagreement, I laud you for releasing your arguments out into the world. Destruction is easier than creation.

  • @Red1Revival
    @Red1Revival 3 місяці тому

    gravity is just what we call the causal effect of mass in spacetime. we observe gravitational pull but that's just our way of describing observations. the truth is gravity does not really exist. it's an emergent phenomenon of spacetime causality, which to us feels like a fundamental force of the universe but not really

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Do you think that this ontologically reductionistic approach can apply to agentic bodies as well as celestial bodies?

  • @scottslaughter7181
    @scottslaughter7181 3 місяці тому

    There is nothing subjective about gravity. Objects don't have their own gravitational force . An attractive force that we call gravity exists between two or more bodies that have mass and is determined by the amount of mass of each body, the distance between them, and the universal gravitational constant that does not change under any circumstances. Every massive body follows the exact same formulas and field equations objectively.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Is gravity relative or absolute? Stance dependent or stance independent?

    • @scottslaughter7181
      @scottslaughter7181 3 місяці тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy The strength of a gravitational field of an object is solely dependent on the mass/energy density of the object and is independent of reference frame. The universal gravitational constant is the same at every point in spacetime. I think what you meant to say is that gravitational *acceleration* between two objects is not absolute because it depends on the values of the masses and the square of the distance between the two objects. But that doesn't mean that gravity itself changes. Sure -- change a variable, and the strength of the attraction between the two bodies changes. So what? Same with electric charge. Morality isn't a physics equation, though. I think your gravity analogy is flawed.

  • @notsochillafterall
    @notsochillafterall 3 місяці тому

    Interesting analogy

  • @the_h0undstanevil52
    @the_h0undstanevil52 3 місяці тому

    Yes but your point falls apart since we don’t “objectively” know everything about gravity but what we do know is gravity is a constant exerted by our universe that we don’t fully comprehend how it does that.

    • @the_h0undstanevil52
      @the_h0undstanevil52 3 місяці тому

      But we know exactly how and where morality comes from

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Do you think that before humans existed, objectivity didn't exist, because there were no creatures that could comprehend objectivity? Or is the existence of objectivity independent of our comprehension of it?

    • @the_h0undstanevil52
      @the_h0undstanevil52 3 місяці тому

      @@transcendentphilosophy yes I believe the universe probably only forms as life observes it but we will never know who was the first to observe it 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @featherton3381
    @featherton3381 3 місяці тому

    It’s an interesting take, but flawed. I don’t claim that morality is subjective because it is context dependent. That’s not what subjectivity is! It’s subjective because it’s inconsistent. Two people can look at the same set of facts, do the moral calculation and come to completely different conclusions. When they do so, there’s no stance independent method to check their calculations. Instead, the vast majority of people simply agree with the person whose calculation is most similar to their own. Including people who insist that morality is objective. By contrast, if you and I come up with different outcomes when we try to predict the movement of celestial bodies, we can look through the differences in our computations and design an experiment to definitively test who was right. No one can disagree that the person whose predictions failed got it wrong.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Human inability to calculate something due to its complexity does not mean it is not "objective in principle", otherwise you would have to say the same thing about gravity, since we cannot always have a "stance independent method to check" gravitational calculations due to their immeasurable complexity.

    • @featherton3381
      @featherton3381 3 місяці тому

      ​@@transcendentphilosophy But it's not an issue of complexity. We can construct very simple thought experiments which still bring people to different conclusions. Here's an example. Let's suppose that we take for granted that God has decreed that it is a sin for people to have relations with others of the same sex. Is it wrong for them to do so? Many people who believe in God would say it is. I do not believe in God, but even if I accepted that He existed (for the sake of argument), I would argue that his arbitrary decree does not make it wrong. How do you determine which of us is right? The calculation in this case is very simple. The disagreement comes from a fundamental difference in how we define morality. And there's no objective way to choose between moral definitions, you just need to agree with whoever's definition of morality most closely aligns with your own. Meanwhile we do have a stance-independent method to check our gravity calculations. We extend our calculations to physical predictions about phenomenon we can observe or create in an experimental setting, then check who's prediction is correct. The 3 body problem isn't an issue with computational complexity but with measurement error. Small errors in the initial measurements of 3 bodies will quickly compound into large errors. The calculations are still verifiably correct, and we can test them by keeping careful track of our errors. This is not the case with moral calculations.

  • @NadimShaikh-qv7zj
    @NadimShaikh-qv7zj 3 місяці тому

    Interestingly, I doubt the objectivity of even gravity.

  • @lukerussell2076
    @lukerussell2076 3 місяці тому

    Subscribed just for the term transjective. This word alone has so much potential to bridge so many gaps. I love it and why am I only learning this now!?

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      I first heard it from John Vervaeke's After Socrates series! I did some videos "After Socrates Simplified" simplifying some of his topics if you are interested.

    • @lukerussell2076
      @lukerussell2076 3 місяці тому

      @transcendentphilosophy I'm making my way through what is trandendental philosophy at the moment. Life is manic so it's a slow process but it's very interesting. I've heard the spiral dinamic theory through the actualized UA-cam channel. I don't like that channel nowadays becsuse I feel like Leo has overcome one ego and replaced it with another one. From what I've seen through brief interaction with your content, you are looking at these conundrums with a more humble approach which uses community dialogue. I feel your approach provides a chance for more substantial growth for both you and your audience while avoiding the spiritual/philosophical circle jerk.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

      Wow, that's an awesome compliment! I hope to live up to that!

  • @ThisSaintsTheory
    @ThisSaintsTheory 3 місяці тому

    Interesting way to look at morality

  • @polymathpark
    @polymathpark 3 місяці тому

    oh heck yea man. This all sounds right to me!

  • @ReverendDr.Thomas
    @ReverendDr.Thomas 3 місяці тому

    FIRST! 🎉

  • @ReverendDr.Thomas
    @ReverendDr.Thomas 3 місяці тому

    BOTH you and Lance have fundamentally flawed understandings of morality.

  • @transcendentphilosophy
    @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

    @51:00 Cycles back to the first topic - Seth's take on Steven's "Will to Life" @58:00 Discussion of is-ought gap @1:03:30 Discuss definitions of "objectivity" @1:13:00 Transjectivity @1:18:00 Seth's Theory of Consciousness - "Energism" @1:25:00 Seth's Network Theory of Consciousness @1:33:45 Contrasting different arguments for Objective Morality @1:38:30 Seth's argument for the epistemic objectivity of morality

  • @transcendentphilosophy
    @transcendentphilosophy 3 місяці тому

    @Theo_Skeptomai Does this tag work?

  • @Theo_Skeptomai
    @Theo_Skeptomai 3 місяці тому

    There is no such thing as 'objective' morality. Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are morally appropriate (ought to occur in a certain dilemma) from those inappropriate (ought not to occur in a certain dilemma). Like all cognitive assessments, moral assessments always and necessarily involve the subject's own biases, experience, attitude, and other personal iconsiderations. Therefore, morality is _always and necessarily_ SUBJECTIVE. Each and every individual is the sole arbiter of his or her own morality. I, and I alone, determine which human behaviors are moral, amoral, or immoral, just as everyone else does.

    • @fellows9
      @fellows9 3 місяці тому

      That would be like saying because there are subjective interpretations of a Van Gough painting that there is no objective painting underneath. You may as well under that logic conclude that there is no objective world at all, since our only access to the world around us is a cognitive process or experience. In reality the presence of subjective analyzation is really irrelevant to the question of whether or not there lies something objective underneath.

    • @Theo_Skeptomai
      @Theo_Skeptomai 3 місяці тому

      @@fellows9 No. It would NOT be like stating that. The "underneath" painting can be _objectively_ demonstrated to be a reality.

    • @fellows9
      @fellows9 3 місяці тому

      @@Theo_Skeptomai Then I think you should watch the video, which is describing how morality can be objectively demonstrated "underneath", just like a painting, gravity, or entropy. Seth also makes an interesting distinction between epistemological objectivity vs ontological objectivity which may fit your worldview more easily.

    • @Theo_Skeptomai
      @Theo_Skeptomai 3 місяці тому

      @@fellows9 Are you using the noun or adjective form for the term 'objective'?

    • @fellows9
      @fellows9 3 місяці тому

      @@Theo_Skeptomai Adjective

  • @pierreissop3551
    @pierreissop3551 4 місяці тому

    great analysis budd, this scene of vinland saga should be more studied. To me atleast that scene finally give more understanding on something that always was in my mind about how we human should loves, that i could never be sure of. But that scene not only put a great definition of human love but also great exemple.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 4 місяці тому

      True! Such a powerful scene. I couldn't help but give some attention to it.

  • @ninaddongre2394
    @ninaddongre2394 4 місяці тому

    would love to see a video on Hunter X Hunter and akira

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 4 місяці тому

      I haven't seen that one! What would you say the key lesson is in it?

  • @badashphilosophy9533
    @badashphilosophy9533 4 місяці тому

    I was just going through suggested UA-cam videos and found one to do with assembly, which from my understanding is some kind of compiler that translates into binary and talks to the CPU. So while I don't know what I'm talking about I think software uses code, that talks to the operating system that is built on the assembler that talks to the CPU or gpu, I am just guessing but I don't think software, which uses code ever really directly talks to the CPU it just does the higher level abstraction tasks and the underlying stuff takes care of it all. I would like to understand all this stuff because we as humans tend to deal with the higher level abstraction but there may be a similar thing going on with our brains where we are twice removed through a kind of double translation into our operating system or simulation system

  • @user-hy1od6by1w
    @user-hy1od6by1w 4 місяці тому

    Awakening? Lol he went from sleep to a deeper sleep. The drunk dude was sleep too

  • @dinen5000
    @dinen5000 4 місяці тому

    trying so hard to be right, why are you arguing semantics, literally everything to a computer is 0's and 1's. thats the language it uses to translate our language, but that doesn't make it arbitrary. thats like saying rojo isnt red because its in Spanish and needs to be translated first. they mean the same thing.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 4 місяці тому

      Feel free to watch the full debate to get better context! Video "Neurotransmitters and Demons"

  • @derekcase3463
    @derekcase3463 4 місяці тому

    😂 "Is your ego so big that you cant accept the laws of physics are more powerful than you?"

  • @kaleidoscopicvoid
    @kaleidoscopicvoid 5 місяців тому

    I guess your mistake would be in assuming "either compatibilism or incompatibilism"

  • @DeterministicOne
    @DeterministicOne 5 місяців тому

    Way too long. Harris' book is only 96 pages, and probably didn't need that much.

  • @TroyLeavitt
    @TroyLeavitt 5 місяців тому

    1:14:00. Compatibilists aren't ignoring the precursors to the decision making process, nor are they ignoring the brain. Rather, they note that the purpose of the brain is to produce conscious awareness such that the brain can model potential future outcomes of the actions one might take. Consciousness exists for this very purpose. This modeling of potential outcomes and the subsequent decision making process is what Free Will is. Consciousness likely only exists in tandem with Free Will. In other words, from an evolutionary standpoint, consciousness exists so that an organisms can sense and respond to its environment. If an organism cannot make decisions and take actions in response to external stimuli, there is not much point to being conscious! Dan Dennett puts it this way: "The ability of rational agents to act out of self-determination; to select actions from a broad set of possible alternatives based on rational expectations of their consequences." I think the error the Incompatibilists make is primarily one of the Category Error. They seem to recognize that properties like Intelligence or Consciousness are emergent from underlying deterministic processes, but get tripped up over Free Will as though it must be something different or more special than these other things. They seem to see the brain as insufficient to generate genuine decision making capability. The notion of "could have done otherwise" trips them up because they seem to think that one must have proof of the reality of the hypothetical other choices they could have made in order for the choices they did make to be valid. But for a compatibilist, it is fine for those hypothetical necessities to never be realized - they are just future potentials being generated by the brain as a part of the Free Will process.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 5 місяців тому

      We dont say "omni-intelligence" or "universal consciousness" when talking about emergent phenomena. Why do we need to add the magical "free" in front of an emergent will? The emergent will definitely exists and the adjective free absolutely does not describe it well. Compatibilists should choose another adjective or switch to agency, because they are not debating the same topic as the rest of us.

    • @TroyLeavitt
      @TroyLeavitt 5 місяців тому

      ​@@transcendentphilosophy "The same topic as the rest of us?" The tradition of compatibilist Free Will of this type goes back to Hume and Aristotle. Most philosophers accept it as well. It's the confusions of the modern Incompatibilists (like Sapolsky and Harris) that have tried to reduce the concept to a false binary - Free Will as an all or nothing proposition - that seems to have muddled things up. Once you see Free Will as something you can have in degrees, perhaps the compatibilist position will start to make more sense. For example, you most likely will agree that there is a difference in the freedom of a person in handcuffs versus one who is not. Both people are still constrained by physical laws, but one has greater capacity. He or she is a little more free. And, if we release person A from his or her constraints, his or her capacity for freedom will increase as well. Now, consider translating the handcuffs metaphor to the workings of the brain. Person A has something constraining his or her capacity to model and interact with the world that Person B does not, say Person A has a tumor or is inebriated, for example. We can say that, although both people are constrained by the workings of their brain, person B's Free Will is less impinged upon than is person A's. When person A sobers up or has their tumor removed, their capacity for free will also increase. They will be more free than they were before because their brain will be doing what it is supposed to do a little better. Again, this is why I make the comparison to emergent properties like intelligence and consciousness. These things also come in degrees.

  • @polymathpark
    @polymathpark 6 місяців тому

    excellent breakdown

  • @Allthoseopposed
    @Allthoseopposed 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for allowing me to feel smart for a second by not knowing who John Dee was. 😂 For once I felt I could hold my own . 😂 I only came to learn about John Dee after becoming disillusioned by Mormonism and seeking to understand where Joseph had derived much of his philosophies turned theology’s. John Dee, Edward Kelly, the Magus… did not disappoint.

  • @Allthoseopposed
    @Allthoseopposed 6 місяців тому

    Loved listening to the two of you play around with concepts and ideas. Your guest sure know a lot about Mormonism, is he LDS? I was super surprised when he started saying that he believed in demons etc. He lost me a bit but I’m trying really hard to not be so reactive when religious beliefs arise. My frustration is that it halts further exploration or curiosity. You however did a beautiful job of smiling and kindly nodding. 👍🏻 great example. For me it hits like, “yeah that’s true because we all know that if one falls down a rabbit hole everything turns upside down and we shrink….” Ugh it’s painful.

    • @transcendentphilosophy
      @transcendentphilosophy 6 місяців тому

      Andreas was a Mormon for a few years in his teens. He distanced himself a bit, but still has a lot of fond feelings for Mormonism and almost wants to reinvent a new version of Mormonism if possible. He is a hard one to box into a category - sometimes he seems more supportive of supernatural paradigms, sometimes he seems more naturalistic.