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Trials and Enduro Skills
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Приєднався 4 лис 2019
Do you want to be the Trials, Enduro or Adventure rider who always seems to be in control and confident?
Do you feel you lack knowledge and or skill? Do you want to ride Trials, Enduro or Hard Enduro Competition?
You can be that rider you want to be. Trials and Enduro Skills is all about just that helping you develop your skills wholesale and get more joy out of your riding. We look into how to train bike, body and mind to be the best rider you can be.
Neil Price is twice Australian #1, 14x State Champ and arguably the most passionate Trials rider in Australia. Now a professional Off-Road Motorcycling coach, and have ridden all over the world, all the whilst enjoying my self and growing within myself.
Regardless of your Motorcycling discipline, Adventure riding, Hard Enduro, Trail Riding, Extreme Enduro, Enduro, or Trials. Become that capable, knowledgeable rider who holds their own and advises others, and helps every rider ride different
Do you feel you lack knowledge and or skill? Do you want to ride Trials, Enduro or Hard Enduro Competition?
You can be that rider you want to be. Trials and Enduro Skills is all about just that helping you develop your skills wholesale and get more joy out of your riding. We look into how to train bike, body and mind to be the best rider you can be.
Neil Price is twice Australian #1, 14x State Champ and arguably the most passionate Trials rider in Australia. Now a professional Off-Road Motorcycling coach, and have ridden all over the world, all the whilst enjoying my self and growing within myself.
Regardless of your Motorcycling discipline, Adventure riding, Hard Enduro, Trail Riding, Extreme Enduro, Enduro, or Trials. Become that capable, knowledgeable rider who holds their own and advises others, and helps every rider ride different
A small fish in a big pond 🐟 #shorts
Stepping up from being a great rider locally to attempting to compete at a much higher level can really make or break riders.
If you are winning easily at home for too long you can get soft and lose some of that mental fortitude and when you step out into a higher level you can be easily broken.
The best in the world have usually gone through hell in some way and their determination and self-belief get them through.
If you are winning easily at home for too long you can get soft and lose some of that mental fortitude and when you step out into a higher level you can be easily broken.
The best in the world have usually gone through hell in some way and their determination and self-belief get them through.
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I was struggling to get around sections and was sure I was a better rider. It was messing with me. A guy in the club said that my bars looked like they were too far back. He said something about lining the bar ends up with the axles which I didn't quite get. I grabbed an allen key and rolled the bars forward quite a bit so they looked like some of the other bikes and all of a sudden I was getting round the sections way better - bike instantly became way more controllable. I also noticed I was no longer getting a sore back when trail riding the trials bike. Magic. Did the same to my enduro bike and that improved also. Just have to work out the equivalent of putting the bars forward in marriage.
I ride a 2010, 300 gas gas txt. I've installed a heavier flywheel and slow throttle , but whow ever the clutch still feels choppy.
Hi, I have a bicycle trials background and curious to start Moto trials. I'm 194cm tall and a big road block is the moto's are all one size fits most. As far as I know rolling bars and bar rise is the only adjustments one can make to suit tall riders. What if the front center (reach in mtb terms) was increased. Is this something anyone Or any brand has experimented with? Mountain bikes come in 5 or 6 sizes to suit rider heights but Moto just one size other than kids bikes. If smaller humans (kids) need a smaller bike. Shouldn't taller humans have options for bigger bikes.?
what are your thoughts on foot position for a trials bike? on the balls of your feet or arches? mid way between?
I teach people early on to ride on the arches not the balls of your feet. You are far more stable, your rear brake is always handy, and the loading of any big hits will not have leverage over your talus bone (ankle)
Neil thank you for such a detailed and cool explanation! :) I'm a little confused about braking. Please can you explain how to brake (to keep the bike from speeding up) when your right foot is on the end of the peg? (when making a left turn) Or is it normal to use the front brake in such low and tight turns?
You are welcome! So I apologise if I am out of context to this specific video, we did that quite a while back. For low speed turns, braking can be done with both front and rear brakes, with the rear you rock your foot on the end of the peg. But most people don’t have the dexterity at the beginning. Most of the slowing is done by using the clutch. The clutch does 90% of the work to remove or add a touch of drive as needed. Then the rolling on any down hill is controlled by the brakes. I usually get people to use the front brakes first as they are normally comfortable with that. But it’s minimum braking. A very slight drag will help load the front wheel and help with a bit of traction and a more certain feel on the front. The brakes really only manage when the bike starts to roll away from you. The rear brake really helps turn the bike, but the vast majority of people don’t have the range of movement and we need to work on that further down the track. That varies rider to rider
@@TESkills Awesome! Thank you! - I will try all this on my next training!
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Going on my first trail’s this Sunday.first time on my Gasgas nervous but can’t wait 😃😃😃👍❤️😂👍
That’s awesome to hear! Everyone gets a little nervous, but just take it all in and take it at your pace! 😜👍
How did it go?
@@reddirtmoto4841 😂😂 thanks for asking I’ve never been on a (bike with motor) b4 but always wanted one. I’ve spent a bit of money on it, but I’m sending it to a trails bike shop… for them to check over! I did get to go up and down the car park! Can’t wait to have another go…..how are you doing…😃
@Loulou-vs4xg I have 22 te250i. Started riding 2 years ago at 42. I'm doing fine in trails, but I got into a crash last year. I still have the pain in my left wrist and thumb.
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Can't Thank You enough for this insider info , intermediate mixed skill rider riding Trials about 4 years , I'm 6'1 and 74 kg , bar position has always been a bit of a mixed bag for me , I like how easy it is to throw the back wheel around with the bars forward , but I hate the back and wrist pain associated with having them forward enough for competition use , on trail riding I bring the bars back towards me and the bike can be ridden all day , You've helped me understand more dynamics with this video upload , TYSM
You are more than welcome glad it helped! 😜👍
Excellent explanation! Just found your channel, love the content and the delivery by the two of you.
Thanks Phil! We need to get back onto UA-cam, we haven’t done any shows in a while
Whan are you going start videoing again I miss it thanks
😜👍 Yeah I need to get back to UA-cam! We have been a little over whelmed with everything and had to prioritise a little. Glad you have enjoyed them
The best video explaining this technique...thanks
Thanks mate! Much appreciated glad you got something out of it! Sorry I haven’t been active on UA-cam for a bit! 😳
get her off, both annoying and pointless....
HI.A difference on the clutch that you talking about is master cylinder diameter, not a spring ... most of modern bikes comes with 9mm master cylinder. Between 9mm and 10mm is massive difference... I like 9mm and midwest lever, this combo is a pure beauty.Idont belive ,that for example brembo changing a springs every year ,no sence to me..
Hey! Wow this is late reply from me! I haven’t been active on UA-cam for a while! Sorry if I confused things in the video at that point. Yes the piston diameter is the biggest factor, but regardless there is a return spring behind that piston that in some brands i think is heavier than required. But I have never had time to experiment making a lighter one. If it was too light you would get a slower return of the piston. Would be interesting to try especially for young kids etc.
Thanks for the valuable lesson! Two conflicting knowledges do not fit in my head. On a steep slope, when riding perpendicular to the slope, you have to deviate the motorcycle from the rise in order to get more grip on the rear wheel. As soon as I start to tilt inside the rise, as in your video (I don’t load the rear wheel), the bike immediately slides down. Or does this technique work up to a certain angle of inclination? How then to determine by eye what tactics to choose? Thanks!
This could be a few things but primarily your body weight is likely not being applied to the rear wheel enough. All riders have a tendency to shift forward and lean in. Both take weight off that rear wheel. The first point will be get your hips back, low and counter balancing the lean of the bike.
A pun loser hahshahaah
What a strange couple! Deficient-explanation dude plus hilarius-drinking-way old woman
Guys I absolutely love your dynamic together so funny to watch. Reminds me of my own marriage. 😂😂😂 Really good information the lever drawings super helpful. Answered loads of questions for me. 👌
Thanks mate! Glad there is some entertainment value in it 🤣 we do enjoy it! Glad it was of some help to you also
@@TESkills playing with the bar position forward to back was great. I’ve actually settled at that neutral position, a little back from where I was before. It feels so much more stable in the tighter turns. It’s perfect for where my riding level is at the moment.
Despite the tech troubles this was a good talk :)
Thanks Ian!
Static balance practice more consistently!
I'll be rehabbing my shoulder from a grade 3 ac joint separation, no surgery, sustained in October, and working on static balance once we get snowed in here in New Hampshire and there's no more riding.
Oh no! Snowed in! 😳 well I guess that maybe good timing for the shoulder! Hope it heals up properly
@@TESkills It will never 'look' right, but if I have good range of motion, and strength, without pain I'll be happy. If not I'll go under the knife.
Man AC joints are a sketchy thing, I did a good job on one of mine years ago (many years ago 🤣) it took quite a while but it did heal up very well!
@@TESkills I don't likely have all that many years left.😜 I'm 71. I got into this trials thing this year after years of street, and track, riding. Never figured going slow would be this difficult. I'll just have to accept that my t-shirt modeling days are past.😁
Already ahead of you. At age 62 (C grader) I've decided to improve my static balance, with the goal of eventually hopping the front wheel. Have been giving it 5 minutes every day in the shed. 3 weeks in I've already improved my balance and am now bouncing the suspension while balancing.
That’s awesome Jim! Keep that going!!
Really good :) Thanks!
hi, I appreciate your comments. I am a mountain biker, and believe %100 that I can achieve finer rear brake control with my hand vs my foot..I know this could be greatly improved with seat time, but I simply don't have that luxury. This is a big motivator for looking at Clake options. Have you seen the Clake 2? This option offers a independent clutch and brake levers on the left side of the handlebar. Curious on your comments about this specific product as you don't mention it in the video.
Hey mate! Sorry I had started replying the other day and forgot to finish off! I thought I had mentioned it but I probably didn’t. The clake2 is a complete no go for us as trials and hard enduro riders as it almost eliminates the possibility of using the brake and clutch truely independently. We use them both so much, and so separately that it just doesn’t work. Yeah you can ride with them, but it really limits what is possible and skill progression. As per you not having the time, what sort of riding do you do? I am speaking in a trials/hard enduro context. If that is your context, your fine rear brake control translates awesomely to the clutch. The clutch is WAY more important the the rear brake. You do so much more with it. Rear brake is relatively irrelevant in comparison. Having spent many years riding bicycle trials i always felt they were one and the same. If you want to build skills you can’t afford to not take the time. 😜👍
@@TESkills Thanks so much for taking the time. I should clarify that my primary use for the lhrb on the clake 2 would be very steep techy downhills where my rear brake seems to me either off or on (sliding.) The vast majority of the time, I would be using the clutch and rear foot brake only. Do others struggle with rear brake control in those situations (hard enduro.) I also was interested in the clake because of extreme hand/arm fatigue and wanting a lighter clutch feel. Maybe I need to look at other options to achieve that? My friend has the clake clutch only and I have to say it feels amazingly light.
@@Holden2090 for the big downhills the rear brake does very little for you. If anything in many places like engine braking it can cause more problems than good. Steep gnarly downs (low speed technical ones) are way more about getting the weight on the contact patch and managing traction on the front wheel. It’s hard to explain in a comment. So rear brake at the bars of no great value really. Because the clutch is so critical in so much more of your riding, I have never seen a clutch/hand brake set up that does not cause a nett loss over all by hindering something else. The clake clutch only, that is actually not bad! I do rate them! But I feel you want the progressive action adjuster (sorry I am not sure of what to call it) wants to be wound all the way off if you can as that gives you the most linear clutch action. When it’s progressive it’s lighter but much harder to build the fine feel for the engagement point. When it’s wound off it’s still really quite light. So you get a light, but predictable action.
@@TESkills Thank you again for your comments. Assuming I focus on making my existing clutch "easier," instead of looking at other solutions, I have a couple questions...My bike is a 19 KTM 300xc, with the DDS clutch. Do you have any issues with using position 1 for the spring? I have no idea where it is at the moment. I am not aware of any other way to adjust this clutch mechanically, other than adjusting the reach. Secondly, where on the bar would you recommend mounting the clutch? I typically use my index finger for the clutch, and typically place it pretty far inboard so that my finger catches the end of the lever for the most leverage. The only issue is that it is quite far out and reaching it sometimes difficult. Any other thoughts for me? Thank you in advance.
Brilliant as usual, thanks Neil. Glad the on-line community is back up and running, it's great
Thanks mate! Much appreciated! Got soo much more work to do! 🤣
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I am curious what Jack thinks about 125cc vs 250cc bikes. Where are the limits of 125cc, e.g., obstacle size, maybe certain techniques are more difficult to learn/perform.
Great video 😊 thanks Both great guys
Thanks 🙏
The story of your trip would have made an excellent video.....thanks 👌
Yeah it would have! The chaos in which I left I didn’t have a chance to get onto doing a VLOG.
Some little videos of different trails riders or sections...Just to brake it up a bit my be an idea....Great all the same.... thanks
Great show folks ❤️✌️😎
Thanks Sam
awesome show guys
Thanks paul!!
I listened to this while driving to a trials event last weekend, and it helped me tremendously! A checker asked me if I'd been getting coaching... I shrugged and was like "no, I listened to a podcast this morning!" Plowing my front tire through loamy soil was the bane of my existence. I wasn't getting my weight back nearly far enough. Your comment about a forklift turning about its front wheels was super eye opening. I can't thank you enough for this advice!
Wonderful! That is awesome to hear Jeffery! Really pumped to hear it helped you. It can be very counter intuitive to stay back on the bike, but it helps immensely.
Genius mate! Watched a couple of your vids and applied some stuff to my practice this past weekend. Noticed some major improvements so far.
Thanks Jeremy! But genius is a bit far 🤣🤣🤣 so pumped to hear it made a difference for you!
As a beginner two other things that steer towards a bigger bike: no example at hand of someone going on a smaller bike and making it work. lots of folks on 250's or 300 4 bangers. And at the dealership... no 125's. none. 200 if you're lucky. Managed to find a Beta EVO 200 new at a dealer (Thanks be to God :) and after riding it.. as a beginner super happy with it being lighter than a 300 4 banger while my feet paddle through the novice course and i push pull tug lift the bike ;) not to mention there's plenty of snap when you get on the gas, plenty for my skills. this lets me focus on using clutch with a bit less oops i dropped the clutch and now i flipped over... and a lot more of my mind's limited capacity focused on handling and turning. By the way good analogy about torque vs power! And super clear idea that throttle is availability of power clutch is how it's delivered! Thanks for a great post God bless you guys :)
Awesome! :) Thank you God bless you :)
Hi, was trying to find the figure eight show you mentioned here. I searched on figure eight but can't find it. Is there a link you can provide? thanks :)
Hey Ian the video isn't on youtube yet, it will be in time. I am focused on the community at this very moment! I'll reply to your message! 😜👍
I'm new to trials and listening to you is great - great to learn how much there is to learn :) Thanks for making this understandable and applicable. God bless you :)
Your Welcome Ian! happy to hear your enjoying and its understandable!
When you mention kicking your leg out when the wheel is on the obstacle , is it the same as holding pressure with your leg ?
Hey Stephan, sorry i missed this comment. Yeah in all reality holding pressure with your legs is the same. You could also consider the pressure as coming from pulling on the bars, so the bike "rotates" around the pegs and levers the back wheel into the obstacle.
Very informative Thank you
Your welcome mate! 😜👍
Tom Trantow rocks !!!!.
Thanks for your break downs. Very helpful.
You’re welcome mike! 😜👍
From Kansas and completely new to Trials, first dirt bike - only rode street before. Good friend rides enduro and trials and brought me into the wonderful world of Trials at 52 years old. Trials fits well for me and enjoying meeting great people! As a novice training, I am greatly enjoying both of your video series and they have been of great benefit already - while I haven’t even gained enough skill to really take advantage of them yet. Thank you for posting and keep up the great work - you’re both great riders and also do a GREAT job teaching by breaking it down well for us. Thank you - trials is such a cool community!! Give it some Gas!
you may consider putting on a capacitor (super easy just bolts onto the battery). this will let you bump start the bike in the race. the XC/EX come with it but the xcw/ec does not. also the biggest thing is the fan killing your battery, if you can get it plugged into the stock plug and hooked up to the relay it will shut off when you turn the bike off (sitting and waiting for bottle neck, breathing ect)
the gas gas braketech clutch is a 9mm instead of a 10mm piston so it has a softer and longer pull more like a trials bike. however from my understanding the pro trials guys like the harder quicker clutches but thats more for rear wheel hopping around I think
You’re on the money! The high level riders are chasing more lift at times and need a faster clutch, but have the skills to control it. Us mere mortals need something gentler 🤣🤣
@@TESkills thanks for the info on bigger lift. Yeah on the trials I need a lot of pull to make it smoother for the mid level class I ride which has a lot of slow turns. When I got my gas gas enduro I changed the clutch right away to the shorter 10 piston because I kept stalling it with the 9mm when doing slow trialsy tech stuff but it may have to do with my shorter fingers and having to move the levers closer. My new sherco has the long 9mm and I’m actually really liking it, much more control for holding presssure, pivot turns and wheelies
I’m soooo happy to come across your video. I’m new to trials even though I’m coming from enduro and a mtn bike background. Your break down is spot on. Thanks for your teachings. Hope to find more video content.
Hi! Thank you for explaining the techniques. One thing is not clear to me is what exactly happens with the throttle when clutch is popped. From what I see at 13:38 you quickly and fully released the clutch when front was still on the ground ua-cam.com/video/TievEO3R-gY/v-deo.html (no slipping clutch or moving hips back for wheelie). Did you close the throttle at the same time you popped the clutch to get that rear lift off the ground or you kept the throttle at the same initial level (RPM) until the rear hit the obstacle or climbed to the top? If throttle was still on when clutch is popped, I would assume the bike would want to roll forward and rear wheel being planted to the ground (that probably doesn't help with rear lift off the ground).
Hey mate! The throttle is not shut off at the moment of clutch release. We use a combination of engine inertia and power/torque. So we do need it kept open. BUT it naturally tends to shut off as the handlebars rise, and come closer to our body. The bars are rotating backwards so it’s the same as rotating your hand forward.
The “lift” is created by the hard acceleration of the clutch dump, combined with the geometry set up of the bike/body. The lift by however is best gauged by the bikes sprung mass, not the wheels
Thank you for the explanation! > best gauged by the bikes sprung mass, not the wheels You've bottomed down the suspension by slightly bending the knees 💪
Hi! Could you please elaborate on "kicking your legs out" part ua-cam.com/video/cZqOMo2LRCU/v-deo.html ? Do you mean "push hard through pegs"?
Yeah that’s correct! I mean pushing through your legs/pegs.
@@TESkills Thank you!
@@motocrivens4109 no worries hope it all makes sense! 😜👍
@@TESkills it does! I noticed that I lean back (instead of standing straight up) on "Go step". Is that a mistake?
Great stuff here. I subscribed to the Neil Price coaching app thanks to one of Tom’s videos where he mentioned it, and it’s been the best decision since getting a trials bike. I’ve gotten so much out of it as well as getting inspiration watching Tom’s videos of another new guy just learning the basics (and beyond!). Between these two guys on opposite ends of the moto trials experience spectrum (and of the earth!), they both have such easy to digest yet detailed explanations, it’s been a true pot of gold. Neil is a great coach with explaining how and why the techniques work, and Tom shares almost in real time what he’s learning as he figures things out. I’ve been riding enduro for years, but I’m in awe of how much more there is to learn. There’s been one epiphany (or apostrophe🤪) light bulb moment after another. The people I’ve met in person and virtually have been a true inspiration. Thanks fellas.