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The paper Brooke mentions about set reconciliation: arxiv.org/pdf/2402.02668

Amazing development for local environments! Reading the Beehive website, I understand this: - RBAC: Beehive does not rely on predefined roles or hierarchical policies but uses cryptographic delegation and group CRDTs to dynamically manage access. - ABAC: While it shares ABAC’s ability to fine-tune access based on contextual attributes, Beehive's focus is on cryptographic proofs & causal relationships rather than centralized attribute evaluations. It'd be great that they show examples of ABAC-way.

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yall dont realize what youre asking for, we dont want a standard nor enforcement because what follows is totalitarianism. proprietary is good, free market should continuously change everything; the commodity should be skilled devs that can adapt to multiple paradigms. you speak of interop as if it is the goal and it isnt, gated communities bring profits and jobs.

absolute gold

MS office suite : did it does it. What’s missing? Experts. I’m one in one of the apps in the suite. Also missing : insertable controls in each app, that are full editors for the files of the other app. Why aren’t we getting that? Other publishers could also make insertable controls that fully edit their files or other apps files. IT people are the wrong group to vision this maybe? Full stack centric people as well? Definitely language devs. Users don’t have the words as much as the needs. The insert should be a url including drive destined url’s and SQL url’s and even web located url’s. like an href with alternate url if there’s a connectivity problem, cascading down a list.

What if i don't want stuff send out from my device at any given time until i tell it to?

Mc.fly has been shouting this for years already, Run your own infrastructure

Hybrid logical clocks are awesome. They are the key for practical CRDTs in user-facing apps.

p2p does not solve "most cloud things".

what is linear

Oohh, I've been designing my software startup around the concept of local first without knowing a movement like this exists, I'm so glad there's such a goal for many people, the interview is incredible so far, thanks for this!!!

Great interview. Local first identity is a MUST. The current server-centric default of passkeys is troubling, but if we can keep the implementations LOCAL first/only and out of the grubby hands of big tech then it could be great. I wish Kyle the best with his efforts here.

It makes sense all that this gentleman says. Web3 is full of delusional folks who are primarily not conscious about the real workforce behind that ecosystem, and much of it is pretty dark. It's the reality, nothing else. However, some of the technology in there could indeed be significant for the progress of the platform, if used wisely. Of course, there are things like "open-source" projects (more than we'd surely like to admit) that just as web3, they are a trap from the powerful capitals. It's going to become a real art trying to implement local-first solutions if not considering at all the mechanisms of control that are being already imposed over our freedom.

Great, talk, can you pls add the link to SilentJS mentioned by Kyle?

Great episode!

Maybe I missed it, but would've liked to hear his long term big picture vision for the computing industry, and his company's place in that. He sorta touched on it with the tall abstractions thing, but not exactly.

Super interesting. Just finished listening and meanwhile trying Jazz for the first time. I can believe it work first try. This is amazing 🎉 Really an awesome piece of tech.

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Local First for the win! I really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you 👍

Brilliantly done, you two! Many thanks!

You achieved that goal. I want to build my app as good as linear(and craft.do) and let my team use it such that they understand how good looks like.

nice content. tuomos camera auto-moving stuff makes it extremely disorientating to watch

local first comment!

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good stuff

Great chat🎉 Maggie is one of my favourite people on the internet, she’s just enough outside of my tech bubble to make me know new things, she got me into digital gardening and many other things I wouldn’t have know otherwise

29:09 absolutely agree but.... here in the UK a lot of big organisations, banks etc. have policies that prevent storing data on local storage in case the machine gets stolen etc.

22:39 I tend to work on apps where automatically overwriting someone else's changes is a bit of a 'no no" So whenever i write i set an "updated" date time, before i write i check that the "updated" value I read hasn't changed on the server. I do that by selecting all fields of interest where id = id and updated<>updated, if the dates are out of sync it doesn't matter so much... either way I only get a result if there's a conflict etc. and I just raise a dialog stating "another user...." and listing who made the last update after the read, what the differences are and then let the user choose which values win individually.

13:02 i think the reasoning for this centralization should be considered in the context of economic boom/bust cycles. When times get lean, capital in general tends to centralize and consolidate, with the growth of big tech following the 2008 crash as a good example. In the end it's simply easier to extract revenue from the captive user base of a centralized remotely hosted app, and in our economic system that's the most important thing

I'm building a local first app, but I'm not sure how to monetize if the core code is sent to the client. Is SAAS model still valid? How are others doing this? Please address this in a future conversation if possible. Thank you!

Very interesting conversation! She is very enthusiastic and articulate and a joy to listen to. Recently entered the local-first rabbit-hole by experimenting with automerge. Quite nice, but it feels a bit too magical. Stuff gets synced but you can't take a look at your data, since it's just binary. Ideally I'd like to have a postgres synced.

Thankful for your podcast, Johannes. Always a pleasure to listen to

Very interesting, so nicely done both of you! Thanks

First. 😂 Interesting take, that CRDT are the easy part. Will focus on what to sync much more now.

one of my new favorite podcasts. i find the idea of "local-first" software fascinating

How is lifestore and riffle different from electric sql? I am looking to adopt electric sql and curious about this space.

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Great episode! I'm currently also experimenting with local-first and electricSQL sounds like a good fit for me. Automerge felt a bit too "magical" due to its binary protocol.

The tinybase project seems like an interesting idea regarding a performant syncing DB close to the user interface. In fact I believe it's an in memory DB.

we in Hawaii here? Take me with you........

Excellent sharing!

Your questions are absolutely on point!! Amazing podcast🎉

Great podcast. Have followed Dax for a while, but first time seeing the host. The host really knows his stuff and he held the interview very well. Exciting topic too!

I'm glad I live in the same timeline as guys like you both, y'all rock, thank you so much for the knowledge shared! ❤

Man I really found this fascinating. I'm someone who cares about the little things, like as soon as I tried Linear for the first time, I was in love, but also slightly confused as to why I was so passionate about a Task tracking app 😅😂Really helps to have these ideas that lived unrealized in the back of my head, put into words. Wonderful job by both of you! This is especially pertinent because I'm building a project tracking web app for work, that sort of has a lot of overlap in terms of structure of the "patient tracking app" that Dax was talking about. Really gonna have to put some time into what optimizations we can make to start transitioning to some local first. I feel like a free "easy win" is optimistic updates since those are way easier to implement, vs an entire caching solution.

Love this conversation lots of interesting takes.

Dax wife and the terminals. Was my first thought when the video was recommended

Raad & Schickling sounds like a surfboard shop. Totally raaaad dude did you see my schickling on the half pipe?