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What a Two by Two Convention Meeting sounds like (SIMULATED)
This video was created through the use of Chat GPT, text to speech, and sound editing a recording of this hymn being sung. This is not an actual Two by Two meeting, therefore it cannot be 100% accurate. The picture is meant to give an idea of what an average Two by Two meeting tent looks like.
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'Exposing the Two By Two Church' - 60 Minutes Australia Two by Two Coverage
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The Two by Twos which are a secretive sect operating across the globe were covered by 60 minutes Australia. The video sheds light on various sex allegations as well as the harmful and archaic views and beliefs of the church. For current or ex-members looking for more resources use the following: A community created website with the most in depth info regarding the Two By Twos - tellingthetruth....
Would anyone know if this is an off-shoot sect of the Jehovah’s Witnesses? A Lot of the verbiage is the same. Meetings, The Truth, Controlling women and covering up abuse and molestation in a Patriarchal religion. Do they meet in Kingdom Halls and read a New World Translation? Any insight would be welcome.
Dig the part about waiting outside and letting the servers go first. How many times have I heard that, well everybody does wait, wait outside the dining tent, when the whistle is blown or when no whistle, but permission is given it's just PUUUUUUUSHHH in ,old, young, feeble, grab the first seat at the table you can find. Else you'll have to wait for the second sitting, oh horrors! What they actually said, at the end of the meeting like this video, was please let the servers out first, meaning stay seated and let the servers out so they could get to the dining tent and prepare. But.....nobody, or very few, actually listened to that and just bulled out anyway, had to get to the lineup first see? never seen the like as those people wanting to eat, worse than bears. Workers had their own exclusive table so no worries about second sitting, but many of them had supervisory duties and like th e servers, would have to eat in shifts.
People need to leave the church
I was borne into this cult and altho not a member now as I was not religious enough,I found them to be very nice law abiding people who liked to get together and read the Bible .Of course in any group there are problems and I believe the the journalists just push the problems to get their articles read and the situation is greatly exaggerated
This is NOT a cult whatsoever. God made men in his image, but not like him exactly. No men in this world are perfect. We do not praise nor cherish the workers. I don’t know what I would do if I didn’t find the truth. It’s our relationship with the lord that matters, not with the workers. I do NOT support any abusers whatsoever. And I feel for those who have been hurt. I also see from the others perspective and get why they’ve left. It is “the truth” not “the cult”.
All religions are cults
Was in this church age 7 to 12 consistently, left completely a few years after in the U.S.
I live in Australia & I was also raised in the truth which is known the Two by Two's.
Esta información aun no ha llegado en los países de región hispana, una lastima que la mayoría no hablen ingles. Aquí en Colombia y en otros países como Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru y pare de contar, esto sigue y sigue. Es duro, porque yo nací y crecí en esta cultura... que decepción.
I must be the only one that cannot hear this - sorry! Bye
Food For Thought Sound like an off branch of the Catholic Church and Jehovah Witnesses . All want to keep it Hidden from the Law . And Making the Victim face their Abuser so they Make the Innocent Child feel even Mor Victimized . Catholic's send their priest from 1 church to a Different location or sometimes New State . As from Jehovah Witnesses they Make the Victim Face Their Abusers as So do the Mormons ..Don't get me Wrong Here > I Believe in the 1 True God . GOD Blessed us By Having Children . Children Are the Last Blessing GOD Gave us Besides Giving Humanity The Blessing Of Our Savor .God's ! beloved True Son .
I was raised initially in Victoria. They were nice people and I did not see any of the problems people talk about here. Mr Carol caused a bit of a problem when he retired and used workers to look after him but that and a new leader go settled. I faded away in it because I was not very religious and they were too restrictive on women but the idea of worship in the home good and and looking after the workers good.
He's not doing what he's saying. Hypocrite. Going out into the world with the gospel!? Nope, They have gospel meetings for their own people because they are NOT going out like Jesus and interacting with their communities. The world teaches us to be happy and comfortable...isn't that exactly what they doing!? And the person who didn't become a worker dodged a bullet even if he had an unfortunate life. The workers today live a leisurely life. So sad. Why is this sermon an AI generated voice?
Read the title
Jehovah's Witnesses are also called, "The Truth." Their members (publishers) are called, "the friends." Is this coincidental? No, this is exactly like the JWs.
Rom 1:28
They do not preach inside homes.
Bullshit! The most harm is done in homes.
@@joycejarrell8866 calm your farm
Its also not a secret church. Its not a cult. Its not just in the rural areas. Its not just in Australia. Your mind is not controlled. Youve got a brain….use it.
Current affairs need to learn a whole lot more before they just believe anything.
Are you living under a rock? This has happened in South Africa and in the USA!
It's not just the two by two's who operate like this. The Jehovah's witnesses operate the same way. They also go out in pairs. They also call themselves " the truth." and they also hide pedophiles and shun the victims of child abuse. I grew up as one of Jehovah's witnesses and I found that all these cults operate the same way
Mormons/LDS too
All cults like this - jw/ mormon etc- run the same way: hiding sexual molestation etc
Not realistic. No one smacked their kid and then took them outside because they started crying
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I was raised to pray, and read my Bible. And God has taught me that Jesus is the way and the only way. Anything else is of man’s doing. This church is not the only one to have pedophiles or to try to contain the problem within the church. The Catholics, the Baptist, the Mormons, the Jehovah witnesses the protestants. They all have this issue because they are led by man and man’s will. You don’t need a church to love God you show God you love him by doing what is right and just as he has done .
While I have heard preaching like this during the 58 years I've been a member, this example makes it sound like this recording's content is an example of what can frequently be heard at convention. It is not. I have attended many conventions - probably around 50. I've heard "the work" preached about maybe only a handful of times (that I remember). Typically, what is heard in a convention meeting or any other meeting is reference to certain verses or a story from the bible and then the rest is the speaker sharing whatever spiritual thoughts came to them from those readings. The focus is on Jesus, his life, his purpose, the lessons he taught and how we can work to be like Jesus in spirit. I simply want to add this bit of information to this recorded example. In format, it is similar, obviously made much shorter, since convention meetings are longer in time. I will add that I DO NOT defend or excuse my faith for any of the sex abuse scandal that is going on and that I'm just finding out about. That is reprehensible and is a dangerous, sinful cancer that MUST be eradicated from our faith. All victims must be embraced, protected and loved. There is no excuse for how my faith has handled SA matters in the past and currently. We MUST change.
Now it s playing out in the Netherlands
I was born and raised in this cult in White Rock, bc Canada. If you are reading this and need to talk with someone who understands and has found the light you can only find by going into the dark with no light at all... something they never taught us, feel free to contact me. ❤
ive never heard of this group until recently, im totally not gonna hyperfixate on this group until i pick it apart entirely
i grew up in the 2by2s its not pretty, me and many of my friends feel our childhoods were stolen from us. there is a lot of csa and abuse going on in the church and many are leaving
@@Bakugou261 i am so sorry to hear that :( im glad u got out of it, they sound pretty sound in doctrine besides all the weird hokey stuff strange little group
@@yungbowie thanks. I'm doing really good now and so are my friends.
What makes for a grabbing story line unfortunately requires skimming over the root of truths and shining lights on despicable behavior found in the hillside of humanity. This coverage is so slanted as to be worthless if one were really wanting to know about these people.
Read "THE SECRET SECT"
I hope that the courts figure this out
The courts are often paid off.
I am an ex-member. When I started asking about the backgrounds of the workers, without any answers, I dig deeper. I had twin daughters and I knew I had to protect them. So I left the church and shortly thereafter the rest of my life fell apart and my family was broken up.
how did your life fall apart? I'm sorry to hear that man but you did the right thing. Protecting your kids is above all else.
Follow the Word not the messenger. ALL sin is forgivable.
What is a cult? I two was born into this faith and do not know where I'd be without it. I have never been molested or made to not make my choice of being in this faith. I left at the age of 15 or 16 but came back a while later. Not because I was talked in nor scared in but because I felt a void in my life. There is no name because Jesus said he is the way. Also back in the Old Testament days, Moses asked God whose name shall I say God said “I Am” so God's way. A cult has a Cult leader by name as in Jones Town, or you know many as I do. Many end in the death of the followers. Also if God wanted the ministry to be perfect he could have used the angles. But he chose men whom he created and knew their weaknesses. We all have human nature. Look around you. Absolutely pedophiles when found out are no longer in ministry and need to be dealt with. They are dealt with with the law. No longer be around children etc. May even do jail time. Whatever the law says. Many people who leave this faith leave bitter and say many things against this way. I am not agreeing nor approve of wrong doings.
Hello Donna, I am also apart of this Faith, in Washington State. SA allegations have made there way the the PNW now and those who are being accused are being investigated. I’ve never been told to look down on others for going to different churches or that I’m not supposed to socialize outside of it. I’m only 6 minutes into this documentary and I’m astonished at these claims that are being presented as concrete “facts” and how many don’t relate to my experiences in this faith.
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Yes in reading some of this, I decided to just read my Bible. Where would we be without this faith? There will always be a shaking-up. Many people are against Christian faith. We live a quiet life and are friendly with neighbours and co workers where we work. Of course, we r against those who do wrong. And feel devastated for the victims.
Whats important is not whether you identify it as a cult, or how helpful the faith and community helps tou in life- because I have similar feelings, born and raised in The Truth. I am sure you are on the FB groups that are constantly updated about the incoming abuse allegations and the probelm is systemic. It means the abuse has been covered up, and will continue if the friends don't draw a line. My whole.family was physically abused by Dad- beat naked in the shower etc. Nobody has said a word. I used to fear he would.l touch me sexually. And that alone ia traumatic , I realize, and what could have happened to me in All those years i blacked out?. Now I see The Patriarchy and the nature of its abusive ideologies all.across the board in life. The patterns are obvious.
@@joethornton4491 There are different rules in different areas. Some seem to be much more strict than others. The US always seemed more lax than Canada when I was growing up.
Anyone from South Africa that’s encountered this faith? Went through this for around 3-5years. Found it weird and extremely hypocritical.
I was raised in this church here in the US omg. I remember one of the workers in our area leaving to Australia.
I am so happy I am no longer a member of this mess!!
So everything these people are saying is not true. You are not shunned if you leave and you can leave anytime you want. There are many churches with pastors who abuse members, this church is not on it's own in this.
I notice that those wee girls were allowed to wear shorts & pants. That is strictly prohibited, especially in Australia. I wonder, if in the sick minds of those leaders & predators, that made those children “fair game”. This is so sick, and the biggest sickness is the covering of this abuse.
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This is never anything that I have ever heard in 42 years. This is all lies totally inaccurate. Never have I heard that spoken that if you don’t go in the work god will against you that is not even anywhere near scriptural and I have never heard such nonsense as this animated evil that I just heard in this site.
There are now fall away Sun morn churches here in Washington. Brian & Cindy Schrock have stepped away from what Peter & Paul ordained.
I was also raised in this cult in Washington State, USA. Went to meetings 3 times per week for the first 20 years of my life. I left the moment I left for college thank goodness. This is also happening right now. In March 2023, an overseer in Oregon died in a hotel room he was found to be raping under-age girls while frequenting hotel rooms.
@@Ohhhhawew I heard it was minors and adults
@@Ohhhhawew from WingsfortheTruth "in March 2023, the past life of the late Dean Bruer as an overseer who was a sexual predator of adults and minors was exposed, nine months after he died in June 2022. The following letters to workers and friends, sometimes distributed via elders, show a variety of attempts to provide limited belated disclosure and transparency; justification for delay; limitation; and in some cases the appropriate links to external agencies. These communications occurred after the news spread rapidly on social media, after one elder photographed the Doyle Smith letter that was meant to only have limited distribution. The news generated huge concerns from many members."
@spencer2660 check out the private investigators report.
Yes he died and a lot was brought forward. The way is perfect but not the people. Thus is being dealt with believe me.
That way is very far from perfect. Just something people in it say over & over this past year.
This is so, so sad! My heart breaks for these women! I was raised in this religion, in the US and stopped going to meetings when I was about 16. I was never molested, thank goodness! However, I feel the religion, "The Truth" 🙄 , has played a part in some of my depression. Many people that I know that are part of this religion or are raised in it, battle depression. Unfortunately, most of my family is still part of this religion and I think it's sad. A few weeks ago, I heard whispers about this kind of behavior here in the US and how some people were leaving the religion because of it. I like what she said in the video, "They call themselves the truth, this is the truth. " They have done and covered up this and believe themselves above all other religions, faiths and man. They need to be held accountable for these actions. I find it funny that I'm the one told that I'm going to Hell. My father still gives me lectures on this and I'm 44 now. As he hides his TV from the workers. This story makes me sick! My Love to these women! Good for you for being strong and fighting!!!
@@Ohhhhawew When I grew up in in the 70s, 80s NO members had TVs. When I came home to visit 15 yrs? after leaving, my parents had a TV hidden in there bedroom closet. Last time I was home my sister in this religion had one in her living room. The rules vary about TVs now spencer. In some areas they still have to hide there TVs.
Spencer changed his name
I was in that cult for 40 yerars. Glad I m out
same!!
That cult has been in this world at least 2000 years. You have no power to bring it to it's termination, and neither did William Irvine. The Great and Almighty God has power to bring this world to an end however. What is man that the LORD is mindful of him? That is a much more important question than conjuring up questions about this sect. God is mindful of you. Are you mindful of Him? That question begs your attention. It begs the attention of all. It's high time for man to stop analyzing God under a lens and to size himself up against the standard set forth by the Almighty One, even His Word. It's high time for man to stop demanding God to bless him, but rather man should bless the LORD God. It is the humble and contrite heart that pleases and blesses the LORD. It is living according to God's way, truth, and life. There is no other means to enter into the presence of the Most Holy than that lowly way, truth, and life. The Messiah prayed to His Father regarding his disciples, "May they be one. As I am in thee, and as thou art in me, may they be one in us". That is the fellowship that God's people are in. They are in Jesus. They are in Christ. They are in the way of God. They are in the truth of God. They are in the Word of God, for God's Word is Truth. They are in divine fellowship with God and His dear Son, and with the saints of God. What better fellowship is there than that? God's people are not perfect, but the way of God is perfect. The truth of God is perfect. The Life of God is perfect, for it is Life eternal. Jesus said, " I am come in my Father's name. He came in the name of Love, for God is Love. His is the Spirit of Love. What better Spirit to have than that? I dare say none.
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@@edsmall1902seek mental healthcare.
Thank you Jeremy !
The producers started from their understanding of well-known cult behaviors and tried to work backwards to force-fit this particular church to the narrative. But it doesn't fit. Yes, there are very real issues, but "cult" isn't one of them. Too bad, because this messaging detracts from the very important message about CSA.
It has similarities Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society). I used to think that a cult is like the Jim Jones cult but the truth church cult is much more covert. And not everyone is aware that what happens in their church is a direct reflection on themselves because they don’t hate the sins enough to do anything about them. Also, the many many sex assaults that have been ignored is another example of a cult. If you allow yourself to be honest and face your fears, you will find that the truth indeed has several cult like qualities.
@@margaretlemmon1143 By that standard, you might say the Catholic Church is a cult, except that it's big instead of small. One test of a cult is what happens to you if you try to leave. Plenty of people have left, with very little resistance. A more comprehensive test is cult expert Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control. Behavior control, information control, thought control, and emotional control. Look it up on his website and read the examples for each. The "cult" label really doesn't fit. The one arguable caveat I'll make is for workers. Due to their reliance on others to provide for their needs, it can be challenging for them to leave. There are several support groups that help with this issue, but it's definitely a real issue for some workers.
@@margaretlemmon1143 Yes, Thank you!
Spousal abuse, to rapes and Murders. Austrailias women have no real respect or protection. It seems that austrail has never really outgrown the fact that the loaded the place up with brutal criminals from the beginning.
Wow! 😢There is a God up above looking down…
I am glad I left it too..
Ik ben daarin opgegroeid,het is echt een sekte.
@tinekedehaan690 bestaat deze sekte ook in Nederland en hoe wordt het genoemd?
@@ritaweltevreden5596 Vanaf 1950 denk ik of nog eerder en het bestaat nog steeds. Zij zeggen dat ze geen naam hebben maar hun naam is two by two
Absolute RUBISH.