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I don't have much else to say about the victim himself, as anything I could say was already said by you or the other comments.

Hopefully, none of their loved ones ever came to know what happened. Thank you for your message and your compassion towards them.

I don’t think much of anything in our day-to-day will really matter in 100 years, but we exist in the here and now and this video features my thoughts as they are today. The person in question appears to have went out in a way that was not particularly pleasant and we have no idea what their thoughts would’ve been on the matter. There is nothing recognisable left of this person either. They are anonymous, so any recognition would only be known to them if there is some form of consciousness beyond life. All we know is that they gave their consent at some point to donate their body to science in some capacity, but not for entertainment purposes. Valve breached the wishes of that individual. Whether you don’t mind their inclusion or not, it is considered unethical and goes against data protection laws in many territories, including the USA. It’s been a common sentiment shared amongst the comments that people wouldn’t mind being included in a game posthumously, which is fine if you have given your consent. What I find striking is the desire to have a legacy - which is something I think we all want - but being included in a video game as a dead person as opposed to being an actor who has given a performance. Robert Culp, the actor who voiced Dr. Breen, died in 2010, and I think many younger people will remember him as that character and not as a dead person. I think that is a far greater tribute to one’s life than an image of oneself mutilated beyond recognition. To those worried about not leaving a legacy, I’d encourage them to take up something like art, music, do something for charity or just literally anything that will outlive you and has a positive effect on the world. Overall, I don’t think the inclusion of imagery of dead bodies is inherently “horrible”, it depends on the circumstances entirely. If I was playing some sort of interactive showcase of what was happening in Ukraine or Gaza, such inclusions would be appropriate - as long as there was enough of a warning before loading into it. What I find ”horrible” is a loss of agency and dignity because an artist wanted a quick and easy way of making a digital dead body appear ‘real’ by using an image of a real dead body. For Left 4 Dead 2, Valve recognised how unethical and harmful this could be and instead moved to using reference images of insulation fibre. Personally, it’s a matter of respect and I don’t think this person was afforded nearly enough of it and I don’t think it is particularly dramatic to point that out. I appreciate you taking the time to write your comment and share your thoughts. I hope you are remembered in a way you want to be. Cheers.

@ hey, I want to apologize for being edgy and what-not. I do appreciate your video though and I should be doing so more often as you guys are pretty much on the same level as I am when it comes to our favorite games, mine was Halo. I’m rambling but to put it simple, I haven’t been well for the past 4 years and I decided to make some changes as my New Years ultimatum. I thank you for the reply and I hope that you have a Happy New Year! 🎊 🥳🍾🎊

Damn the dude actually apologized! You never see that on the internet! Well I am glad you see now, and I wish you luck on your journey to improve your mental health.

@diplexnormal3353 No worries my guy :) We all go through stuff in this life. I’ve been there myself plenty in my time too. Recognising it and wanting change is a huge step though, and I wish you all the best in your journey. I only ever played Halo at my friends house, I really need to get through them. I loved what little I played though, especially Halo 3! The Master Chief Collection has been sat untouched in my Steam account for like over a year lol but I’ll get round to it one day Thank you and I hope you have a happy new year too :) Cheers

Thank you! I’m happily still making more in HL2:DM, maybe I’ll see you out there! Cheers

I couldn’t agree more. It’s why I didn’t include their face. Death is a tragedy, not a means to an end to making the art pipeline of a game easier or more realistic. Cheers

Oof, that must’ve been scary when you next visited your grandmothers house! Not too many games are set in Scotland where I alive, so I’ve really never experienced feeling it somewhere close to home. What was very strange though was playing The Chinese Room’s “Still Wakes the Deep” which is set on an oil rig off the coast of Scotland in the 1970s. Hearing authentic Scottish voices made the whole game feel a lot more real, to me. Hearing monsters that retained their voices made it somehow even scarier. Cheers for sharing your experiences :)

It is not one should expect or have to confront in a game unless you are specifically warned about it, at which point, it is up to the consumer if they want to purchase and play the game. It is not right morally at all, but I put it down to a lack of tact than any sort of nefarious intent. We’ve all done things we regret, but Valve have a history of absolute radio silence when they don’t want to comment on something. Perhaps they fear retroactive legal retribution if they bring more attention to the situation if they swapped the texture out, it’s hard to say. They may perhaps have had consent all along, at which point, I would question the lack of any content warning seeing as the game has been updated numerous times since it released as the industry has made strides towards becoming a safer place to work. Cheers for the comment :)

Hi there. I would say this is actually quite a subdued video, in all honesty, not melodramatic at all. If you pay attention to the video, I talk about how this person must’ve given their consent to be used as a cadaver in the first 20 seconds or so. That it completely fine, and the use of cadavers has progressed our understanding of medicine greatly. What I take with issue, as is the whole point of the video, one that you would have realised if you had watched it properly, is that this person did not give their consent for their likeness in death to be used in a game. That is ethically wrong and illegal. Perhaps then you shouldn’t be so melodramatic leaving annoying comments and cry over a small UA-camr making a video. Cheers ;)

That’s a really interesting point to make. I’d never really considered that at all. I too hear things that sound like things from games all the time - most recently from the day I filmed and edited this video. There was some sort of machinery running along the Vltava that sounded exactly like the sound effect used in TES III: Morrowind when you cast a spell lol Hopefully, we can find a cure to Alzheimer’s before we find out, lest I start freaking out in the retirement home when I think I see Wallace Breen on the TV. Cheers for the comment :)

Memorialising someone in a game could be a great way of paying homage to them, if that is something they wished for in life. I’m not sure if people finding out the texture is based off a real person is better or not, to be honest. I’m sure many will be a bit more respectful, but many won’t care, or worse, find it funny. As you say, all we can do is have this person in our thoughts. Cheers

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Aw man that’s great to hear. It must’ve been so cool to see your home come alive in a game. I completely understand that you don’t want to share it - I feel a little crazy when I tell someone that something reminds me from a game, especially if they’re not a gamer. Source is also my favourite game engine of all time too. I’m yet to play a Source 2 game, but I’m saving my money for a VR headset to play Half Life: Alyx. I’m not sure if it will beat Source 1 though! Thank you so much for your comment :)

@MachineYearningYT i must say source 2 is better, although CS2 looks more cartoonish. You can also play HL:A without headset, but the experience is better with headset.

It does look *technically* better, but are the vibes as good? haha

@MachineYearningYT i'd say it still gets the atmosphere though i must say in Source 1 it's better, besides i doubt i will build much nostalgia from it. I have problem with my legs and i must say playing felt like chore, but i still enjoyed it. You'll probably have better time with it, besides it's the best game to help you get used to VR. It's the only game i've finished on VR and i barely got motion sick. The game is great, don't get me wrong. The fight with the Strider was epic, despite using the grenade launcher was kinda unresponsive, but that could be due to my pc. One advice, always keep the game tab up, make sure it's not alt-tabbed cause it will lag like crazy.

Ah gotcha. I’m very excited to play it, but as you say, I’m not sure if it will become enshrined in my memory in the same way HL2 is. Ty for the tips! I want my first time playing it to be as smooth as possible. I’ve got a pretty strong stomach so I should be able to manage Hope you’re having a grand day :)

Ooh that sounds great - I’ll definitely check it out when I visit Hungary one day. I’ll need to go suit shopping though haha! I really want to explore more of Central/Eastern Europe, mostly just to go “oooh this looks like HL2” lol (and I’m also a big history buff) Years ago, I pieced together a list to make a Metrocop cosplay but I never got round it. I’m scared to look at how expensive the gasmasks are now lol Thank you so much for you comment :)

I’ve sunk so many hours into GTA IV so I imagine it will be much the same for me if I ever visit NYC. I don’t think I’ll get to do car stunts in the airport though…

It’s not an ideal situation

Oh my!

Got deported from the Czech Republic for using sv_cheats 1 😔😔😔

“Sometimes, I dream about cheese…”

Thank you

it’s likely many developers at valve never knew or realised the true nature of the texture, although I relate to your feeling

@dvbz1337 I appreciate your sentiments entirely, but as @demon-goat said, most people at Valve were most likely unaware. That is not to excuse the situation, but so blame is laid at the feet of those weren’t involved at the time. The truth is out there now though, so how you view them today is another thing altogether. Cheers

I agree, but this was also 20 years ago, and as MachineLearning said, we don't know the full process of how it was added.

Thank you ❤️

Thank you, as are your kind words :)

If people think that HL3 won’t come out until your passing, I fear that you may have put a big target on your back.

I wonder much the same things, friend. Thank you for your comment

Thank you for the kind words. I had much the same feelings, and I put this video out there in the hopes that others would too. Cheers

No. If anyone would consider that individuals actions for themselves, they wouldn’t be normal; they would be a monster.

Half-Life 3 was always there, it was just in Central and Eastern Europe

I suppose that would be an easy enough fix for Valve as the games share the same model libraries and what not. Whether or not this will happen, I'm not so sure. I think - as you suggest - if the identity of the person in question got out and the family took legal action, it would be a very different matter entirely. Though I wish justice to be done for the man, in whatever form that may take, I really wouldn't wish for the family to have to become aware of such a thing. Cheers

I don't know if Reddit is the place I'd go for considered discussion haha

I think most of us are privileged enough to be quite distanced from death, or at least the death that takes place in our lives is quite sanitised. I think this - whilst ultimately good - has made violent death something quite abstract. Couple that with how realistic depictions of gore have become. When real imagery is slipped in and made to fit within a game, it can often be indistinguishable from the fiction, so when one is retroactively told that something they saw for the last 20 years was an actual dead body, the effect is probably less pronounced as it has been for you who is new to the game. That is not to excuse it, but to provide context as to why people may feel that way. I'm probably giving people the benefit of the doubt as well, I'm sure there are plenty who genuinely don't care, which is rather sad. My next video will touch on some of these matters, so be sure to keep your eyes peeled. Cheers for the comment :)

Something quite funny just happened. I looked up the video and it turns out I’d watched it, and the video almost feels the same beat for beat! They’re even similar lengths! I had zero recollection of Tom’s video, but it’s bizarre how it’s perhaps nestled itself somewhere into my grey matter and informed the video, much in the same way HL2 did to me and NFS2 did for them. A strange ol’ world, isn’t it? Cheers for the comment and sending me down a forgotten and illuminating memory lane!

I think we all do on some level, but perhaps it is best to let sleeping dogs lie. Cheers

@ honestly in a way it’s like a piece of lost media called “lol superman”. some people wanna find it, some don’t. i think neither of them should be found out

I agree. I wasn’t aware of the “lol superman” thing. To think, so many people spending their time and effort to try and watch a person in the very worst moments of their life before they come crashing to the ground. What else could have been accomplished in that time?

And you must too to recognise it in others :) Cheers

Hi there. Unfortunately, it is pretty verifiable. I really wish it were just speculation. Everything from the reference photo lines up, including the teeth. Some edits were made, but yeah, it’s quite grim. I really appreciate that you’d question something like this though, it’s wise to have a fistful of salt to hand when stories such of these crop up. Cheers

@ If you didn’t know, I was talking about the mafia rumors.

Ah gotcha. Apologies for missing what you were saying there. I’m not sure where the rumours stemmed from either. I suppose there’s probably evidence that the mafia and cartels have done similar things to victims in the past, but really, it could be anything. Cheers

@ Cheers to you, too! I think it came from a single Reddit comment shown on Richter Overtime’s video on the subject. The rumors remind me of when people started saying lies about a 14 year old streamer named Rorochan’s death to make it more disturbing than it already was, like: -Rorochan’s viewers telling her to jump. (Her chat was made up of disturbed creeps and confused viewers who had no idea she was gonna jump. But the chat was mainly telling her to go back to her room.) -Her parents were abusive. (Her mother was strict, but not abusive.) -The Japanese FBI got rid of the video. (There is no such thing as a “Japanese FBI.”) Spreading rumors about a dead person to either make the situation seem worse or to make the dead person look bad is one of the lowest things anyone could do.

In the internet age “He said, she said” can become dangerous very quickly. I find myself thinking about the plot to MGS2 more and more as the years go by. Max Derrat did a great video on it called “The Most Profound Moment in Gaming History” if you haven’t seen it already. Cheers!

It’s pretty much 1:1 with the real reference photo, sadly. It’s clear someone at Valve found the photo, edited it a little bit and put it into the game.

Very well said. I agree that before anyone knew, there wasn’t really anything particularly malicious about it, other than it just being gruesome in the first place. After years and years of seeing it though, I think we all just became a bit numb to it. The face texture is sadly almost 1:1 with the real thing, save for a few edits, which is why I feel so uncomfortable about the situation. Thank you for your comment

Hi there! I did in fact not show the face as I already felt uncomfortable enough making a video about the subject and it did not feel appropriate to include any imagery. There’s a lot of different opinions on what should be done about the texture. Interesting enough, an artist working in HL2 RTX shared their remake of the model. When asked if they used real imagery too, they said they used “‘classic techniques’ to capture the original’s unsettling essence.” That’s quite vague, but hopefully they don’t mean they have used real imagery. I agree that developers watching gore for the sake of video games is wrong. Obviously it is a personal choice and if a dev did that in their own time; that is up to them. Valve had a similar folder full of imagery for L4D2 but found it too unsettling, and so used pink home insulation and potato skins as reference instead. Clearly, there are solutions out there. Thank you for you comment and your thoughts on the matter

@MachineYearningYT You're welcome! I feel pretty strongly about the Mortal Kombat example, as it seems like an extreme expectation for an employer to make, but the HL2 example is bad enough to make one wonder how many other examples are lurking in texture files.

Unfortunately we may never know. I can only imagine what nasty stuff the devs making The Callisto Protocol may have been looking at. Hopefully they weren’t engaging in anything harmful for their sakes.

man I need HL3 just one more game valve pls

I agree. It’s one thing to use reference material and then creating something original - though this too could be harmful, but outright using real imagery is pretty insidious. There is no consent to see such a thing from players, and nor did the deceased ever intend it to be shown in such a way. Thank you for your kind words regarding the video :) Cheers

Hi there. There’s conflicting theories as to what happened to them, but yes, I’ve come across that one. I don’t know what to make of it, other than whatever happened, it was clearly tragic. Thank you for you comment. I’ve got more things on the way!

It’s particularly grim. I don’t like to imagine what the last things those eyes saw

A little bit but it was too spoopy. It’s put me off wanting to visit Stockholm haha

Bob scared tf out of me in Half-Life 1

@MachineYearningYT i may or may not have turned of the computer a few times as a 8 year old after this abomination against god, nature and everything saint attacked me

I was a little put off when the Bohemia Interactive devs got arrested for taking photos on Agios Efstratios lol

That’s a good shout, thank you!

Just thought I’d let you know I updated the thumbnail, it looks a lot more readable now so thank you :)

Without the resonance cascade, aliens and brutal dictatorship, fortunately!

Upon death, your body vacates its bladder and bowels. There is much indignity in death unfortunately, so we must do what we can to remember people as they were in life.

Chleba.

No way, he got it.

don’t bring the british broadcasting corporation into this

ur under arrest

@MachineYearningYT for being the boss and owning you 😎i know

he got me

Ah yeah I can see that too!