Yeah well his English teacher lost her job that school doesn't encourage certain abstract thinking and has that warped Patrick Swayze character promoting the fear love spectrum instead but the lady that wrote the time travel book is also crazy so ...
Lol I love how Donnie calls him the Antichrist just to find out he’s the Antichrist by the end of the film . Great work by the producer for throwing that hint in and no one getting it . Donnie Darko is Donald Trump
He says he couldn’t keep his job because going further into this conversation will be going over what the school is wanting to teach. He wanted to keep going but he also knows what Donnie did and slightly afraid of what he might do next. Donnie realizes that and leaves so quickly because of this
In my opinion it's because the teacher doesn't believe in god's existence. They are within the space of a Catholic school and if the teacher were to share his opinions with Donnie it would go against the values of the school. Hence why he could lose his job.
Back in high school this completely flew under my radar and unironically I cant help but wonder what path I may have taken if this peeked my interest 20 years ago like it does now.
He’s saying that God is in control of “time”(the construct) therefore everything is already predetermined, and that each of us are set on a divine path or “channel” through God (Gods channel) And if you could find the portal through this channel, you could travel through time.
@@alexallegood1040 and to continue this discussion you have to then debate if god is real and what its capabilities are and that is too far for any teacher in a religious school to go because it undermines the entire institution
Yup, and not calling someone "woke" or belittling someone for being a minority just because they have an opinion that differs from yours. Trump ruined civil discourse.
@AAAA-gj7tn the media and the radical left ruined mostly everything our country was. The brainwashed tds mentally ill blame Trump, unwilling to open their sheep eyes and see that obiden has flushed us down the toilet, and sold the turd to China for personal gain, but orange man bad, mean tweets bad.
this was a signifigant scene in the movie, as it proved to Donnie that the role models around him (the ones he looked up too) didn't really support him when he felt he needed them. These daylight halusinations allowed him to see what he rationalized as gravetational time-spears. He thought the science teacher, who gave him books and ideas about time and how it worked, would actually tech him. It's clear Donnies a genius (they say so in principles office) and finds school tedius. When he felt like he could Actually learn, he discovered an unwilling teahcer, who at the end of the day, was some guy working for a check.
Donny although a genius, is still young and has spent his life indoctrinated by christianity, and is therefore relating everything happening to him as some sort of divine intervention. The teacher couldn’t tell Donny that “gods channel” had nothing to do with god or he’d lose his job for contradicting the religious beliefs taught at the school. The teacher had to stay in line with religious beliefs or risk being terminated.
working for a check, sure. a simple way of putting it. the guy's life.....is another perspective. termination....poor reference...trouble securing future job....lapse in income....debt...all manner of financial turmoil and employment struggles. the all too trivial....income check...is an easy thing to belittle, but it also easily destroys a life once removed. Money seems a frivolous thing when we take a GRAND view, and look at, say.....the emotional state of a gifted,but unstable teenage student? But who can take these views in the moment? And that check....we PAY....for EVERYTHING WE HAVE.....the very BASICS of survival! This isn't a mere CHECK....it's FOOD, SHELTER, WATER, LIGHTS......but, no....I'll let a conversation.....end all of that...when maybe there's potential for a more subtle way to communicate. Now, the movie never takes the teacher down this avenue, but put yourself in his shoes....you're at the brink of a job-ending exchange, you care about the boy perhaps, but....maybe there's another avenue to consider before I....end my employment.
That's an interesting interpretation, I can see where you're coming from with it. For me I felt it was an expression of how Donnie is embroiled in a grander event than anyone around him could understand, yet there was a path for him to follow. The teacher was a crucial part of that path, one which Frank guided him towards. The teacher gave him a great deal of support diving into the topic, but from the teacher's perspective this was just a philosophical discussion on pseudo-science. He had no way of knowing Donnie was living this experience, only that under the confines of his career he didn't have total freedom to dive into off-the-wall topics with students. But instead of ending it entirely, he gave him Sparrow's book so he could continue on his own. He played a key role in progressing Donnie along his path, and arguably Donnie would have never reached the intended end of his purpose without his help.
@loudnsounds makes sense i always thought it was him hitting some typa barrier in this tangent universe so to speak. Like at that point he had asked the right question that got answered without actually being answered? Idk if that makes sense I feel stupid 😅💀
@loudnsounds what does minutia mean? Yea your totally right tho I know what you mean everytime someone watches it they think they found some hidden meaning in the movie, funny that to this day I’m still confused by it
@loudnsounds You're an idiot trying to sound smart. The teacher not being able to continue the conversation has nothing to do with "minutia".. it's the entire point of the movie.
If God is behind everything in this movie, how did an error in fabric of time, that happened at the beginning of movie, occurred? God made mistake and now he's fixing it?
@@goranmilic442 perhaps something else is going on. Donnie is not empathetic in the beginning. He doesn’t care about other people. He has nothing to live for and is afraid. Perhaps God is teaching him a lesson. He is saved from the jet engine to die it makes no sense. Unless the tangent universe was made specifically for Donnie. So Donnie could become enlightened. He gains a reason to live. His girlfriend teaches him to love all people. He sacrifices himself for the entire universe. He has no other choice though. He is manipulated into doing what needs to be done through the ensurance event. His girlfriend dies and he kills a man and the police are coming for him. At that moment he has nothing to live for but he has something to die for. It’s also important to note that there are the manipulated living and the manipulated dead. Both groups are trying to get Donnie to complete his quest. The teacher is one of the manipulated living. He’s like a divine teacher guiding him through purgatory. The jet engine always crashes. Donnie is supposed to die. What if all 28 days of the tangent universe was made by God for Donnie so he could redeem himself.
@@theactionman8403 OK, first of all, if Donnie knows Tangent Universe was about to end, then he knows he's going to die for certain, so there is no sacrifice, sure, he saved the world, but he didn't actually risk anything. Movie would be much better if Tangent Universe doesn't end, then Donnie would have much tougher choice between living in Tangent with his girlfriend dead and dying in Original Universe with his girlfriend alive. Second thing, your explanation makes sense, but if it's true, then Original Universe was never really in danger (unless you're suggesting that God would allow Original Universe to be destroyed if Donnie doesn't save it). Donnie saved nobody in that case, he just thinks he did.
@@goranmilic442 The jet engine always crashes so that’s a given. The only thing that changes is Donnie living. He Is saved just to be told he has to die. You’re right he has no choice and he knows that. By being showed that he has no true freedom he is free. His struggle is between fear and love. It is possible that God or some 4th dimensional being wanted to teach Donnie a lesson. Simply put a higher power created a tangent universe to show Donnie that life is worth living by giving Donnie something to die for. Yes the jet engine is an artifact however no matter what the jet engine comes from seemingly nowhere. It will always be an artifact. There is a strong possibility that Donnie was stuck in a time loop. That the only way for him to end the loop would be to die. As for the teachers there’s two teams here that are trying to get though to Donnie. There’s the manipulated dead who are darker and more complex. They give Donnie everything he needs, complexity, and human emotion. Then there’s Cunningham and the gym teacher who make everything simple. Fear and love is the struggle Donnie is going through but it isn’t everything. They just want to subconsciously save themselves from oblivion. The manipulated dead and the teachers seem to actually care about Donnie and want him to learn what he is meant to. It’s also interesting to note that F is the 6th letter of the alphabet. Frank in the movie theater says his father and his grandfather were named Frank. Three Franks, 666. Frank despite being the “devil,” also seems to be a guide. He isn’t good or evil he’s simply fulfilling his role in helping Donnie grow as a person. Donnie does have a choice somewhat though. If he doesn’t save the world then him and Frank will be in a void together as revealed in the therapy scene. Donnie seemed to be constantly reliving the 28 days and he even asks Frank when will it all end and he tells him that he knows when. At the end of the movie you can hear a car horn being honked. That is Frank trying to get Donnie out of his room. Donnie doesn’t do this though. My main question is wether or not Donnie could have lived or did he have to die. The jet engine always falls so he prevents nothing by sending it back. The only thing that changes is that Donnie decides to die. If Donnie had gone outside again and listened to Frank’s honking horn another universe may have been created again. No matter what it seems Donnie was going to die. The only thing that changes is that Donnie is given 28 days by a benevolent higher power to have a reason to die.
@@theactionman8403 Interesting. I still think that Donnie didn't really saved the world, since God would not risk the world, just to teach Donnie something. Unless God is certain what Donnie will choose. But then again world is not in trouble. Also, I have to point out that Tangent Universe was created when an artefact, jet engine, appeared for no reason in air, not when Frank told Donnie to get out. We're already in Tangent when Donnie first meets Frank. So maybe Donnie wasn't supposed to die, because when jet engine from Tangent goes back to Original Universe, world is already saved.
@@goranmilic442 In my opinion, you have the freedom of choice to obey God's will over your life or reject it entirely. The free will is making your choices, but the freedom of making your own choices will conflict with the overall design of reality. You can also view it as nature vs nurture. You can follow your created nature or go against with the social conditioning of nurture.
@@john144 You realize that what you described wasn't freedom, it's an ultimatum. I'm not actually "free" to go against God's will, you literally say that in your comment "Your own choices will conflict with the overall design of reality" Oh, so I'm not REALLY allowed to reject his will? Your comment can be wrapped up as "Join me (god) or face the consequences. That is your choice." When that isn't a choice, it's an ultimatum. An unfair ultimatum, I might add. And it's funny that you use the word "social conditioning of nurture" it's as if you were 3 steps away from just using the word "conform" but you thought that sounded bad so you phrased it in an incredibly stupid way. In god's channel, you can't change your destiny. If I can change my destiny, that means it was never god's channel to begin with.
Confused me for a while too, especially when I was younger. I think it's because it has something to do with pushing too close into religion and politics, over what he was hired to do (teach science). If he takes a side too strongly when talking to Donnie about this stuff, he could be on the hook for imposing his personal views on to the class if a parent or student ever decided to have a problem with what he was saying.
Side note, it's also possible to say it might have just been his character hitting the limits of his understanding, and using that as an excuse. Also if he might have suspected Donnie to have mental health issues, not wanting to encourage any abnormal thoughts. Movie's got so many layers haha.
I'm split between thinking that the teacher is ceasing the conversation due to concerns about it becoming too much of a religious nature, hence his concern about losing his job, or else just not wanting to feed into Darko's apparent mental health issues. I'm leaning towards the latter based on the facial expressions of the teacher.
I always forget that Gyllenhaal is only a couple years older than me...god damn, makes me feel old cause I feel like he has been around forever. This was such a great movie, I remember I had all my friends see it in High School. It was so underappreciated at the time I recall, and nobody understood it at all haha..
@@xoxoxlivelovelife2486 If God is behind everything in this movie, how did an error in fabric of time, that happened at the beginning of movie, occurred? God made mistake and now he's fixing it?
@@goranmilic442 Maybe God made all of it happen to teach Donnie something, to grow him spiritually. Donnie becomes a martyr essentially, choosing to lay down his life so that others may go on living. The parallels with Jesus Christ are definitely interesting, like Xoxox said.
@@tuanjim799 What you said makes sense. However, if you are correct, then original universe was never in danger. Donnie didn't save anybody, because God would never allow that destiny of the world depends on Donnie's choice to sacrifice himself or not.
@why RU knechtel You make a good point. If God doesn't exist then the conversation doesn't make sense. And no conversation makes sense, since our actions are determined by chemicals in our brain and there is no free will. And all our ideas and thoughts are a result of random patterns in nature. Though you shouldn't believe me since I have no idea what I'm talking about. Unless God exists.
You should but you should watch it after reading up on it, it’s better once you know exactly what it’s about and what’s going on cause this movie touches up on some crazy ass concepts
Personally I think all movies are best watched with no knowledge. It's like getting on a ride. And if I like them I rewatch them. This is certainly a movie you want to rewatch. The more times you do the more you pick up on stuff. Be a free thinker and don't let other people like the commenter above mine said. Who would want the movie to be spoiled before you even experience its. Weird.
Depends on which path we're walking. The people around us or media can influence our decisions, which are the most important leads on our way trough life.
This movie focuses on whether we are governed by fate or exercise free will. The first needle drop in this movie, Echo & the Bunnymen’s “Killing Moon,” includes the lyrics, “Fate up against your will.” And the scene in this video is mulling over the same issue.
I highly doubt that's what the movie has a prime focus on. This one scene is literally here to show that Donnie is the only one making sense. His teacher out of nowhere calls him contradictory, when Donnie didn't make a single contradiction in his claims. There is absolutely nothing that implies being able to see your own future would mean you're able to change it. If you can see the future, then that's all you can do, see. Seeing your fate doesn't have anything to do with being able to change your fate. The teacher is very clearly the illogical one in this discussion, and it's definitely intentional considering how weird the teacher's explanations are. Especially ending off with him stopping the conversation because he fears losing his job. Why does he fear losing his job? Because if he continues it, he may end up agreeing with Donnie that freewill doesn't exist in god's channel, something that catholics rely on heavily to prove god's goodness.
@@PhantomRingwhat do you mean? You have agency that you did NOT before. If you can see your future you know when and how, which is all you need to know to change it? The question then is, is changing the future you saw your fate? and that is a very complicated question.
@@ivaylozapartov3111 Where are you guys getting agency from? How does knowledge of the future give you power to influence the future? Imagine you're all-knowing when it comes to time. Because you're all-knowing, you know how everything will "conclude". Because you can know time, that means time is knowable and that you can logically see these "conclusions" in time. If you can know time, that means all team is pre-determined. Now because of all this, you can't change your future, because you know the conclusion will stay the same. You know exactly what you will do and what everyone else will do. This doesn't imply anything about changing your future or having power over time. Now watch over the scene again, listen to Donnie at 0:44. Then listen to the teacher's response: "Well, you're contradicting yourself Donnie" Donnie didn't contradict himself at all through the conversation, everything he said made sense through a logical lens. The teacher brings in a completely separate variable of being able to "betray" your future. But let me ask again, how does knowledge of the future give you power over the future? It doesn't make any logical sense unless... You can't know time, time isn't pre-determined, and destiny doesn't exist. And this is exactly why the teacher stops the conversation. The school is heavily catholic. If the teacher agreed with Donnie's logical understanding, he would be admitting that free will can't exist if God is above time. If the teacher continued the disagree with Donnie, he would be admitting God isn't all knowing and time is greater than God. Donnie unintentionally put him into a logical trap.
This comment is part of a much larger conversation about this movie, but I'll try and take a stab at my interpretation of this scene. Donnie always has a choice. Choice pops up a lot in the movie, like when Gretchen must 'choose' to sit next to Donnie. There are a bunch of forces at play in the movie to influence Donnie to make all sorts of decisions, but Donnie *always has the choice*. When he sees into the future through his portal, I'm sure he sees where he'll end up by the end and that he literally saves the universe. On top of this, seeing his future gives his life guidance. Seeing into this future (and most importantly *choosing to believe in it, and following it*) is something that I'm sure makes Donnie way less confused about where he's going in life (which he talks about a lot in the film). Notice how near the end of the film, he does not seem scared and is telling everyone that everything will "be alright". Even when he has committed a murder. But the professor here says that Donnie could betray this path. He may not like to see his future of 'god's channel", or may not believe it. But an important thing to note is that by not following "god's channel", he will be lost again. Not knowing where his actions will lead with that same certainty that "god's channel" will give him. Perhaps "god's channel" is some 'best possible path'. Donnie can 'see more' as a 'living receiver', but his choice remains the same. In going forward with "god's plan", it's similar to the film "the last temptation of christ" (which is shown as a feature briefly in 'donnie darko' at the theatre that Donnie sees Frank in). If I can recall, Jesus (in 'last temptation') sees the future God has for him on the cross; that in order for him to do what is 'right', he HAS to end up on the cross. But Jesus has the choice to betray God's path, and be lead astray.
I wondered why they had the Temptation of Christ displayed, nice analysis. This movie has so many layers I love sharing it with people and discussing it.
wish i had a teacher like this guy that i could have a battle of whits with... my biology teacher was so dumb i convinced her to let us watch Bio-Dome because it was "educational" instead of Osmosis Jones
Yeah well his English teacher lost her job that school doesn't encourage certain abstract thinking and has that warped Patrick Swayze character promoting the fear love spectrum instead but the lady that wrote the time travel book is also crazy so ...
Physics
This conversation reminds me a lot about Calvinist theory of predestination vs non-Calvinist belief that God gave us free will.
Lol I love how Donnie calls him the Antichrist just to find out he’s the Antichrist by the end of the film . Great work by the producer for throwing that hint in and no one getting it . Donnie Darko is Donald Trump
Trump is a part of thr pedo cult
He says he couldn’t keep his job because going further into this conversation will be going over what the school is wanting to teach. He wanted to keep going but he also knows what Donnie did and slightly afraid of what he might do next. Donnie realizes that and leaves so quickly because of this
Can someone explain why the teacher stops and mentioned he could lose his job? Why would he lose his job over talking about something like that?
In my opinion it's because the teacher doesn't believe in god's existence. They are within the space of a Catholic school and if the teacher were to share his opinions with Donnie it would go against the values of the school. Hence why he could lose his job.
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Back in high school this completely flew under my radar and unironically I cant help but wonder what path I may have taken if this peeked my interest 20 years ago like it does now.
All this shits real
Artifact of a tangent universe
People who say that the teacher says "i could lose my job" because of religion or something really don't understand the movie... at all
What was the reason then Einstein
Then what do you think was the reason
I don't understand the statement about "god's channel", could any intelligent individuals who get it explain it to me in a reply?
He’s saying that God is in control of “time”(the construct) therefore everything is already predetermined, and that each of us are set on a divine path or “channel” through God (Gods channel) And if you could find the portal through this channel, you could travel through time.
@@alexallegood1040 and to continue this discussion you have to then debate if god is real and what its capabilities are and that is too far for any teacher in a religious school to go because it undermines the entire institution
Having a logical conversation without calling transphobic or racist, how I miss the past.
Yup, and not calling someone "woke" or belittling someone for being a minority just because they have an opinion that differs from yours. Trump ruined civil discourse.
@AAAA-gj7tn the media and the radical left ruined mostly everything our country was. The brainwashed tds mentally ill blame Trump, unwilling to open their sheep eyes and see that obiden has flushed us down the toilet, and sold the turd to China for personal gain, but orange man bad, mean tweets bad.
Why can he lose his job?
Not sure
@@d3rkn4ssthesecond well get on it!!!
Fucking religious schooling. They could have cracked it if not for the stupid religious precepts.
Religious schools are awesome you're just gay
@@Doc-ch5oz What a witty and biting retort.
“I’m…not going to be able to continue this conversation.” “Why?” “I think you need mental help, not a physics lesson.”
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Noah Wyle, Drew Barrymore, Patrick Swayze, the Gyllenhaals, Seth Rogan, Katherine Ross. Oddest and best cast in a movie ever.
And for a first time director that’s pretty sweet
Don’t forget james duval
Jerry Trainor
from the worthless director's cut, don't bother
Donnie kind of answers it here - as the 'living receiver' he is in that channel.
1:15
this scene was my life for 6 years.
This scene IS me lol
Was given this “gift” (see into the future) in my dreams. Step by step in alignment with source energy.
The living receiver is tired of the manipulated dead being pieces of sh*t.
this was a signifigant scene in the movie, as it proved to Donnie that the role models around him (the ones he looked up too) didn't really support him when he felt he needed them. These daylight halusinations allowed him to see what he rationalized as gravetational time-spears. He thought the science teacher, who gave him books and ideas about time and how it worked, would actually tech him. It's clear Donnies a genius (they say so in principles office) and finds school tedius. When he felt like he could Actually learn, he discovered an unwilling teahcer, who at the end of the day, was some guy working for a check.
It was the 80's and I think it was a religious school? I should hope Donnie could understand
Donny although a genius, is still young and has spent his life indoctrinated by christianity, and is therefore relating everything happening to him as some sort of divine intervention. The teacher couldn’t tell Donny that “gods channel” had nothing to do with god or he’d lose his job for contradicting the religious beliefs taught at the school. The teacher had to stay in line with religious beliefs or risk being terminated.
working for a check, sure. a simple way of putting it. the guy's life.....is another perspective. termination....poor reference...trouble securing future job....lapse in income....debt...all manner of financial turmoil and employment struggles. the all too trivial....income check...is an easy thing to belittle, but it also easily destroys a life once removed. Money seems a frivolous thing when we take a GRAND view, and look at, say.....the emotional state of a gifted,but unstable teenage student? But who can take these views in the moment? And that check....we PAY....for EVERYTHING WE HAVE.....the very BASICS of survival! This isn't a mere CHECK....it's FOOD, SHELTER, WATER, LIGHTS......but, no....I'll let a conversation.....end all of that...when maybe there's potential for a more subtle way to communicate. Now, the movie never takes the teacher down this avenue, but put yourself in his shoes....you're at the brink of a job-ending exchange, you care about the boy perhaps, but....maybe there's another avenue to consider before I....end my employment.
That's an interesting interpretation, I can see where you're coming from with it. For me I felt it was an expression of how Donnie is embroiled in a grander event than anyone around him could understand, yet there was a path for him to follow. The teacher was a crucial part of that path, one which Frank guided him towards. The teacher gave him a great deal of support diving into the topic, but from the teacher's perspective this was just a philosophical discussion on pseudo-science. He had no way of knowing Donnie was living this experience, only that under the confines of his career he didn't have total freedom to dive into off-the-wall topics with students. But instead of ending it entirely, he gave him Sparrow's book so he could continue on his own. He played a key role in progressing Donnie along his path, and arguably Donnie would have never reached the intended end of his purpose without his help.
@@SarahC-by4cs Well said!
Noah Wyle is King....thats all.
1:00 Do you belive in gravity?
Wait a minute..... IS THIS A-
Why wasn’t the teacher able to continue the conversation?
@loudnsounds makes sense i always thought it was him hitting some typa barrier in this tangent universe so to speak. Like at that point he had asked the right question that got answered without actually being answered? Idk if that makes sense I feel stupid 😅💀
@loudnsounds what does minutia mean? Yea your totally right tho I know what you mean everytime someone watches it they think they found some hidden meaning in the movie, funny that to this day I’m still confused by it
@loudnsounds thanks bro 😎
A friend Speculated because the teacher doesn’t believe in god, but can’t say that, because he could Lose his job.
@loudnsounds You're an idiot trying to sound smart. The teacher not being able to continue the conversation has nothing to do with "minutia".. it's the entire point of the movie.
Ayyyye that’s Dr. Carter from ER
No, that's Flynn Carson....The Librarian
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Noahs a handsome man. Glad he was in this
I just rewatched this because I'm on a Noah binge
So Happy SOMEONE said something about Noah Wyle
"not if you travel within god's channel," donnie's drank the kanye kool-aid lol
He smoked the DMT
@@tuanjim799 changa time
Donnie chooses God's path and becomes the Jesus Christ of his time. Brilliant.
If God is behind everything in this movie, how did an error in fabric of time, that happened at the beginning of movie, occurred? God made mistake and now he's fixing it?
@@goranmilic442 perhaps something else is going on. Donnie is not empathetic in the beginning. He doesn’t care about other people. He has nothing to live for and is afraid. Perhaps God is teaching him a lesson. He is saved from the jet engine to die it makes no sense. Unless the tangent universe was made specifically for Donnie. So Donnie could become enlightened. He gains a reason to live. His girlfriend teaches him to love all people. He sacrifices himself for the entire universe. He has no other choice though. He is manipulated into doing what needs to be done through the ensurance event. His girlfriend dies and he kills a man and the police are coming for him. At that moment he has nothing to live for but he has something to die for. It’s also important to note that there are the manipulated living and the manipulated dead. Both groups are trying to get Donnie to complete his quest. The teacher is one of the manipulated living. He’s like a divine teacher guiding him through purgatory. The jet engine always crashes. Donnie is supposed to die. What if all 28 days of the tangent universe was made by God for Donnie so he could redeem himself.
@@theactionman8403 OK, first of all, if Donnie knows Tangent Universe was about to end, then he knows he's going to die for certain, so there is no sacrifice, sure, he saved the world, but he didn't actually risk anything. Movie would be much better if Tangent Universe doesn't end, then Donnie would have much tougher choice between living in Tangent with his girlfriend dead and dying in Original Universe with his girlfriend alive. Second thing, your explanation makes sense, but if it's true, then Original Universe was never really in danger (unless you're suggesting that God would allow Original Universe to be destroyed if Donnie doesn't save it). Donnie saved nobody in that case, he just thinks he did.
@@goranmilic442 The jet engine always crashes so that’s a given. The only thing that changes is Donnie living. He Is saved just to be told he has to die. You’re right he has no choice and he knows that. By being showed that he has no true freedom he is free. His struggle is between fear and love. It is possible that God or some 4th dimensional being wanted to teach Donnie a lesson. Simply put a higher power created a tangent universe to show Donnie that life is worth living by giving Donnie something to die for. Yes the jet engine is an artifact however no matter what the jet engine comes from seemingly nowhere. It will always be an artifact. There is a strong possibility that Donnie was stuck in a time loop. That the only way for him to end the loop would be to die. As for the teachers there’s two teams here that are trying to get though to Donnie. There’s the manipulated dead who are darker and more complex. They give Donnie everything he needs, complexity, and human emotion. Then there’s Cunningham and the gym teacher who make everything simple. Fear and love is the struggle Donnie is going through but it isn’t everything. They just want to subconsciously save themselves from oblivion. The manipulated dead and the teachers seem to actually care about Donnie and want him to learn what he is meant to. It’s also interesting to note that F is the 6th letter of the alphabet. Frank in the movie theater says his father and his grandfather were named Frank. Three Franks, 666. Frank despite being the “devil,” also seems to be a guide. He isn’t good or evil he’s simply fulfilling his role in helping Donnie grow as a person. Donnie does have a choice somewhat though. If he doesn’t save the world then him and Frank will be in a void together as revealed in the therapy scene. Donnie seemed to be constantly reliving the 28 days and he even asks Frank when will it all end and he tells him that he knows when. At the end of the movie you can hear a car horn being honked. That is Frank trying to get Donnie out of his room. Donnie doesn’t do this though. My main question is wether or not Donnie could have lived or did he have to die. The jet engine always falls so he prevents nothing by sending it back. The only thing that changes is that Donnie decides to die. If Donnie had gone outside again and listened to Frank’s honking horn another universe may have been created again. No matter what it seems Donnie was going to die. The only thing that changes is that Donnie is given 28 days by a benevolent higher power to have a reason to die.
@@theactionman8403 Interesting. I still think that Donnie didn't really saved the world, since God would not risk the world, just to teach Donnie something. Unless God is certain what Donnie will choose. But then again world is not in trouble. Also, I have to point out that Tangent Universe was created when an artefact, jet engine, appeared for no reason in air, not when Frank told Donnie to get out. We're already in Tangent when Donnie first meets Frank. So maybe Donnie wasn't supposed to die, because when jet engine from Tangent goes back to Original Universe, world is already saved.
Has "occured"? It is spelt _occurred_
"Not if you travel within God's channel"
What does that mean? Do you have a choice to travel within God's channel or not? If yes, then you can betray it. If no, then you have no free will.
@@goranmilic442 In my opinion, you have the freedom of choice to obey God's will over your life or reject it entirely. The free will is making your choices, but the freedom of making your own choices will conflict with the overall design of reality. You can also view it as nature vs nurture. You can follow your created nature or go against with the social conditioning of nurture.
@@john144 If you have free will, then you can choose to leave God's channel.
@@john144 You realize that what you described wasn't freedom, it's an ultimatum. I'm not actually "free" to go against God's will, you literally say that in your comment "Your own choices will conflict with the overall design of reality" Oh, so I'm not REALLY allowed to reject his will? Your comment can be wrapped up as "Join me (god) or face the consequences. That is your choice." When that isn't a choice, it's an ultimatum. An unfair ultimatum, I might add. And it's funny that you use the word "social conditioning of nurture" it's as if you were 3 steps away from just using the word "conform" but you thought that sounded bad so you phrased it in an incredibly stupid way. In god's channel, you can't change your destiny. If I can change my destiny, that means it was never god's channel to begin with.
the teacher thinks he knows.....and Donnie knows
What?
@@dommmmm7544 Donnie knows more than his teacher solely based off first-hand experience of which the teacher has none.
True wisdom IS experience
I don't understand. What's it with the teacher losing his job if he were to continue this conversation?
Confused me for a while too, especially when I was younger. I think it's because it has something to do with pushing too close into religion and politics, over what he was hired to do (teach science). If he takes a side too strongly when talking to Donnie about this stuff, he could be on the hook for imposing his personal views on to the class if a parent or student ever decided to have a problem with what he was saying.
Side note, it's also possible to say it might have just been his character hitting the limits of his understanding, and using that as an excuse. Also if he might have suspected Donnie to have mental health issues, not wanting to encourage any abnormal thoughts. Movie's got so many layers haha.
I think because it's kind of a catholic school.
@@MondayNightFriend I think its not to encourage Donnie anymore
I'm split between thinking that the teacher is ceasing the conversation due to concerns about it becoming too much of a religious nature, hence his concern about losing his job, or else just not wanting to feed into Darko's apparent mental health issues. I'm leaning towards the latter based on the facial expressions of the teacher.
I always forget that Gyllenhaal is only a couple years older than me...god damn, makes me feel old cause I feel like he has been around forever. This was such a great movie, I remember I had all my friends see it in High School. It was so underappreciated at the time I recall, and nobody understood it at all haha..
this conversation stands and falls with the existence of god
why RU knechtel the whole movie does. Donnie saves his universe, kinda like Jesus but in a different way
@@xoxoxlivelovelife2486 If God is behind everything in this movie, how did an error in fabric of time, that happened at the beginning of movie, occurred? God made mistake and now he's fixing it?
@@goranmilic442 Maybe God made all of it happen to teach Donnie something, to grow him spiritually. Donnie becomes a martyr essentially, choosing to lay down his life so that others may go on living. The parallels with Jesus Christ are definitely interesting, like Xoxox said.
@@tuanjim799 What you said makes sense. However, if you are correct, then original universe was never in danger. Donnie didn't save anybody, because God would never allow that destiny of the world depends on Donnie's choice to sacrifice himself or not.
@why RU knechtel You make a good point. If God doesn't exist then the conversation doesn't make sense. And no conversation makes sense, since our actions are determined by chemicals in our brain and there is no free will. And all our ideas and thoughts are a result of random patterns in nature. Though you shouldn't believe me since I have no idea what I'm talking about. Unless God exists.
I kind of wish I had a teacher like this in high school. Also, I think I'm gonna watch this movie.
i know same with meee
You should but you should watch it after reading up on it, it’s better once you know exactly what it’s about and what’s going on cause this movie touches up on some crazy ass concepts
@@gomezk1493 I wouldn't tell people something like that
Personally I think all movies are best watched with no knowledge. It's like getting on a ride. And if I like them I rewatch them. This is certainly a movie you want to rewatch. The more times you do the more you pick up on stuff. Be a free thinker and don't let other people like the commenter above mine said. Who would want the movie to be spoiled before you even experience its. Weird.
wished arguments were like this asking for a question instead want opinion
I love how this dialogue makes me think.
If you need a movie scene just to think, your brain isn’t too sharp
@@illmaticforever40 You're an idiot.
@@tuanjim799 stfu bxtch
@@illmaticforever40 just appreciate cinema, you sad sap.
@@ertugrulsanskopar8248 hahahahaha wtf is that name 😂 I can’t even take you serious
Una maravillosa escena! Una joyita
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It’s baby face Tom Mason
Everyone can see their future if they just look closer.
Depends on which path we're walking. The people around us or media can influence our decisions, which are the most important leads on our way trough life.
This movie focuses on whether we are governed by fate or exercise free will. The first needle drop in this movie, Echo & the Bunnymen’s “Killing Moon,” includes the lyrics, “Fate up against your will.” And the scene in this video is mulling over the same issue.
❤ Apparently it wasn't supposed to be, it was a last minute edit if I remember correctly. Nonetheless, what a terrific choice, happy accident.
Actually just as they say “it’s the killing time” Frank drives by in his car right by Donnie bike!!
I highly doubt that's what the movie has a prime focus on. This one scene is literally here to show that Donnie is the only one making sense. His teacher out of nowhere calls him contradictory, when Donnie didn't make a single contradiction in his claims. There is absolutely nothing that implies being able to see your own future would mean you're able to change it. If you can see the future, then that's all you can do, see. Seeing your fate doesn't have anything to do with being able to change your fate. The teacher is very clearly the illogical one in this discussion, and it's definitely intentional considering how weird the teacher's explanations are. Especially ending off with him stopping the conversation because he fears losing his job. Why does he fear losing his job? Because if he continues it, he may end up agreeing with Donnie that freewill doesn't exist in god's channel, something that catholics rely on heavily to prove god's goodness.
@@PhantomRingwhat do you mean? You have agency that you did NOT before. If you can see your future you know when and how, which is all you need to know to change it? The question then is, is changing the future you saw your fate? and that is a very complicated question.
@@ivaylozapartov3111 Where are you guys getting agency from? How does knowledge of the future give you power to influence the future? Imagine you're all-knowing when it comes to time. Because you're all-knowing, you know how everything will "conclude". Because you can know time, that means time is knowable and that you can logically see these "conclusions" in time. If you can know time, that means all team is pre-determined. Now because of all this, you can't change your future, because you know the conclusion will stay the same. You know exactly what you will do and what everyone else will do. This doesn't imply anything about changing your future or having power over time. Now watch over the scene again, listen to Donnie at 0:44. Then listen to the teacher's response: "Well, you're contradicting yourself Donnie" Donnie didn't contradict himself at all through the conversation, everything he said made sense through a logical lens. The teacher brings in a completely separate variable of being able to "betray" your future. But let me ask again, how does knowledge of the future give you power over the future? It doesn't make any logical sense unless... You can't know time, time isn't pre-determined, and destiny doesn't exist. And this is exactly why the teacher stops the conversation. The school is heavily catholic. If the teacher agreed with Donnie's logical understanding, he would be admitting that free will can't exist if God is above time. If the teacher continued the disagree with Donnie, he would be admitting God isn't all knowing and time is greater than God. Donnie unintentionally put him into a logical trap.
This comment is part of a much larger conversation about this movie, but I'll try and take a stab at my interpretation of this scene. Donnie always has a choice. Choice pops up a lot in the movie, like when Gretchen must 'choose' to sit next to Donnie. There are a bunch of forces at play in the movie to influence Donnie to make all sorts of decisions, but Donnie *always has the choice*. When he sees into the future through his portal, I'm sure he sees where he'll end up by the end and that he literally saves the universe. On top of this, seeing his future gives his life guidance. Seeing into this future (and most importantly *choosing to believe in it, and following it*) is something that I'm sure makes Donnie way less confused about where he's going in life (which he talks about a lot in the film). Notice how near the end of the film, he does not seem scared and is telling everyone that everything will "be alright". Even when he has committed a murder. But the professor here says that Donnie could betray this path. He may not like to see his future of 'god's channel", or may not believe it. But an important thing to note is that by not following "god's channel", he will be lost again. Not knowing where his actions will lead with that same certainty that "god's channel" will give him. Perhaps "god's channel" is some 'best possible path'. Donnie can 'see more' as a 'living receiver', but his choice remains the same. In going forward with "god's plan", it's similar to the film "the last temptation of christ" (which is shown as a feature briefly in 'donnie darko' at the theatre that Donnie sees Frank in). If I can recall, Jesus (in 'last temptation') sees the future God has for him on the cross; that in order for him to do what is 'right', he HAS to end up on the cross. But Jesus has the choice to betray God's path, and be lead astray.
Interesting analysis, especially observing that The Last Temptation Of Christ was playing in the theatre in the movie.
Or he’s just a schizo 🤪
@@crustythewanksock2413 Or you're just a blind sheep in the matrix
Unkn0wn_289 are sheep even in the matrix tho? Pretty sure the machines only use humans as batteries 🤣
I wondered why they had the Temptation of Christ displayed, nice analysis. This movie has so many layers I love sharing it with people and discussing it.
Poor Donnie...
"They said he was doomed"
Did you know him ?
wish i had a teacher like this guy that i could have a battle of whits with... my biology teacher was so dumb i convinced her to let us watch Bio-Dome because it was "educational" instead of Osmosis Jones
Good choice! Bio Dome is a great movie. I don’t care what anyone says.
hahaha
at least your teacher was cool enough to let you pick a movie and not some random boring shit
"Whits"
anyone know the soundtrack in this scene?
Mason Buchko Michael Andrews - Philosophy of time travel
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