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Severance Season 2 Episode 2- PROOF ITS HELENA
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Or it could be a production error.
You know I just realized how everyone is sleeping on outie Irving lying to milkshake about his whereabouts. It mirrors you know “innie” Helly lying to the team about her whereabouts.
Maybe Helena will just turn the chip on all the time, and become the Helly she really wants to be
Her clothes are always blue or part green now compared to previous season when she wore blue only the first time and always was red or yallow to contrast it Blue and green are lumen just a thought about the color story they are going for
HeleNAH. ua-cam.com/video/pmh_6z9AWfc/v-deo.html
And when there *is* a ding when she arrives on the severed floor, it's a B natural ding as opposed to the usual B flat that plays when the others arrive
I know it's been a few years since they filmed the first season, but the makeup team should have done a better job to match helena's hair, hair color, and eyebrows from the first season
Thats not a proof, Just a different way to make the scene. It induces us to believe it's Helena, but it's not a confirmation.
Theres another giveaway, she's the only one that turns the other way when being scanned by the security guy. She's scanned on the back, while the others are scanned from the front. Small detail but Im sure it points to something.
trivial comment, but... It's pronounced HELena, not HelENa
I don't understand why people say "they're trying to throw us off", when the show has never done this before. I don't think the creators are in the game of red herrings, or giving us false information. Sometimes we get lots of clues (e.g. that Gabby was severed), sometimes we get barely any (e.g. info about Cobelvig), but they never contradict themselves for the sake of tricking the audience. Thats what I love about this show, they respect us as viewers.
I thought Helly and Helen just made a deal with eachother but this makes more sense
SPOILER ALERT!!
The way she was studying her interaction with innie mark let me know she was about to replace helly, but had to make sure she knew the dynamics and how her innie acts.
This video features the BEST comments I have ever seen in UA-cam. Thank you, people! Lots of insightful theories! It is getting more and more difficult to wait for the next Episodes... Regards from Rio de Janeiro! 🇧🇷
Great video, great rationale, thanks a lot! Regards from Rio de Janeiro! 🇧🇷
It's HELL-en-uh, not hell-LEN-uh or hell-LAIN-uh. And here's the thing with this controversy: The writers CLEARLY want us to know that Helena isn't severed but only pretending to be. That's patently obvious. Nobody is "clever" or some kind of "super fan" for figuring this out. It's right there. But these writers aren't dumb. If they wanted the non-severed Helena to be the big reveal, they wouldn't have given it away so clearly. I think they're suckering us all into a sense of security about how clever we are, then they're gonna hit us upside the head with the REAL reveal later in the season. I have some ideas but there's little evidence for any of them yet. At the top of the fairly obvious list is that the Board believes that's Helly R, but Helena has her own objectives. That is, Helena's decision to go in non-severed isn't part of the plan by the Board to "give Mark S. everything he wants", but rather she came up with it on her own. There are other possibilities but few that have evidence behind them.
CLEARLY.
Am I the only that looks almost exactly like max?
It should ding twice, as the elevator is going down. Wish movies and tv shows would get this one right :p
Good video and nice theory. Your evidence is good
Helena knew the risk of going back as Helly. Helly would spill the beans about who she is and who her father is. This would ruin the chances of Mark finishing the Cold Harbor file, which is why he got his team back. It’s not that difficult to figure all of this out. Helena is the insurance policy that Cold Harbor gets finished.
This is a very strong argument but I’ll be a bit disappointed if (as seems likely) this is how it plays out. The show has had Helly behave like Helly (apart from tiny things like the switch) in a way that I don’t feel the Helena we’ve seen would. Helena’s whole demeanour is so different, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for her to be so good at pretending to be Helly.
I think a key sign is she was touching her neck after she woke up at the event. Since her inne is so destructive and almost killed her, she is not going to put herself in that situation again.
well except for the fact that she did go back after her helly hung herself. I do think Helena does fear Helly.
I actually think it's Helly R. still. The show really wants us to believe it's Helen, which is why I'm leaning against it. I think her bell didn't ding right away because she wasn't sent to the severed floor first. When the gang meets, Dylan comes right after Mark, and Irving right after Dylan. Helly is staggered a bit more, even though in this scene shown in the clip... she's arriving precisely in the staggered intervals they often do, one after the other, no delays. So I still think it's Helly R. But she's been put through different paces than the rest, also who knows how Lumon could've toyed with her chip and her innie's memory? I still think it's our favorite rebellious innie, and I wonder what she's gone through in the mean time. I think the video Helen made that seemed like a press release... was for Helly. I also think Helen is scared of Helly R. I love this show lol.
The timing of their staggered elevator rides actually times perfectly with them landing on the severed floor in episode 1, as shown in this video where someone edited the scenes together: ua-cam.com/video/Ng5ZzABjxyM/v-deo.html
@ yep I saw this recently, too. HAIR TEARING!
The awkward/reluctant hug she gave Mark was enough for me to think something was different and that's it was likely Helena.
Also the hate she seemed to have when he said things about his wife even though she was being sweet
If the hug had been the only clue, I could have attributed that to guilt and self-loathing from finding out who she is out there.
This show has gone out of its way to make it crystal clear that Helena is a stone cold sociopath with zero empathy. She is not going to turn against the family
I don't think that's true. I think Helena feels trapped and browbeaten by her father, and when she watches the video of Helly kissing Mark S, I think Britt Lower's nuanced performance shows her having a hint of envy for her innie's human connection.
@dereknolin5986 trapped and browbeaten? More like a stone cold ice queen who immediately went to work resolving the situation
@@tmanharp Her dad called her a "fetid moppet," for the actions of her innie and she just took the insult calmly with no response. She has an icy facade but I think you can see the cracks in it through her microexpressions. I think they're definitely planting the seeds for her dissatisfaction with Lumon.
The biggest reason why It's Helena and not Helly is because that would make for a much more compelling story. The creators of Severance have proven to be amazing a crafting this story and not making it Helena would be a dumb move and very out of character for them. I do see Helena, maybe, a little jealous or excited by Helly being in love. Like there's a part of her that is in a loving relationship, experiencing the happiness that she never could outside as Helena.
I think they are teasing us and it is Helly. Helena would have had a good lie ready. Helly is embarrassed and told a stupid lie.
i want to see Helly R😢
Not a huge deal, but it’s not “huh-LEN-uh”… it’s “HELL-uh-nuh”
Man, if this stupid elevator two bings thing the Tinfoil Hat Brigade is stuck on pays off , I'm gonna haffta eat do much crow
I hope it's Helena and she eventually turns against her family. I also think Cobel/Selvig is going to go full-on ninja on Lumon.
I think it’s Helly. They make it too obvious it’s Helena.
Could be trying to throw us off, but for now I'm sticking with Helena
I’m putting my nickel down that it’s Helly too. All the supposed evidence feels like anomaly hunting. Obviously something is up but, I doubt it’s that easy
Agreed
@@malfeitor1how so? She lied when she didn’t have to lie. She has never had a reason to lie. She’s openly tried to kill her outie and cut her own fingers just to inflict harm against her. Her outie has made open communication towards her and the team considering her not even human and by extension the rest of the team as well. Helly is not coming back this season. She’s effectively dead.
@LethalTalentz Sure she didn’t have to lie, but I could totally see the justification for lying to her innie friends out of embarrassment or guilt. If we see the Egan’s as the enemy then, why would I admit that I’m one of them. All the self harm and rejection from her outtie preceded this revelation. Helly R could very well be “dead” but this lie is far from rock solid evidence.
The shit from behind as she walks to elevator - her hair looks she has just removed hair clip she wears when her is up
What you have there is evidence, not proof.
They are showing us in all ways that she was Helena that went down to severed floor. So i think there should be a misleading and she was Helly R 🤔
Observations: “What’s for dinner, kids?” is Irv’s quip when he arrives at work. It’s an office in-joke Dylan is openly sick of, that Petey thought Mark might recognize. Like a dad joke that’s just something dad says. It’s “funny” because there is no dinner on the severed floor, they all go home for dinner. So there’s literally no answer to Irv’s question, which is what annoys Dylan. But does Irving say that after Helly arrives on the floor?
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DANGGG wait you’re so right
I really like the possibility of Cobelvig & Helena working against the family eventually.
Could def see both turning on them. Cobel already seems to be done with them and Helena def not happy with her life
@@TGSP Also Ricken
proof it's helena: - she ran forward, she was tackled. - the awkward hug - the night gardener and fast lying - she's the first one to tell them that there are no microphones and cameras iirc - she acts caring but her voice is cold - she checks the switch - the elevator didn't ding for her
I've got one more clue; she does not have to change her watch.
@@WilliamWebster-s3z yep this is huge
@@WilliamWebster-s3z why did she have to change her watch? it's been 3 years man
@@Mihayan1 They all change their watches from outie to innie - it's part of the system to be 'old' on the severed floor
or not, not clear enough
Just look at her face the moment the light in the break room came on. "Yeah, wow guys, this is weird, isn't it?" It looks almost comical. By the way, perhaps she didn’t come up with anything better than nonsense about the gardener at night, because she didn’t expect that she wouldn’t be switched in the elevator. And yeah, Dylan didn't take off his watch either, so it's probably not that big of a deal.
Not only was there no ding, there was also no electrical noise that usually accompanies the chip turning on. In the other three cases, this noise can be heard, although very quietly due to the view outside the elevator.
Because of your comment I rewatched the scene a couple times. I definitely hear some high pitched noises (besides the card reader beeping, the elevator dinging (twice) and the motor whirring). I think I might hear the same noises, albeit much quieter for Dylan, too. You're right that they seem missing for Helena, but no matter how hard I try, I can't hear them for Irving either. Maybe because the focus shifts too quickly to Helena entering? 🤔 Nice theory, but I think the missing second ding is much more of a giveaway.
@Spazmo I agree, Irving has a very quiet sound when the camera shifts to Helly. I could only hear the sound at 100% with headphones. Before theories about dings recently, I didn't pay any attention to this sound at all, thinking that it was the sound of a regular elevator. After watching the first season a dozen times, I developed a habit like Pavlov's dogs, remembering this electrical noise and equating it to a "transition", so I immediately noticed the difference in this scene with Helena without realizing it. I only noticed the ding after reading reddit.
Yeah and that's def more important than the elevator ding. I didn't notice it at first just because of how quiet it was.
I dont get why we had to wait 3 years i already forgot about this show and had to rewatch season 1. Apple tv has unlimited funds for all the other sht no one watches on there
There was a strike, apparently! You’re right tho, they have infinite money and should be compensating the staff accordingly.
Finally a video without an ai voice
Yes, those have become too common everywhere
Thankfully I haven't encountered any of those yet
+ not drawn out unnecessarily
Maybe this is now an advanced version of AI
Yes I agree most definitely they are erasing memories of severance outtie through the MDR works number to being able to put consciousness of the eight founders and Miss Casey and Miss Hwang are test subject among many others if they cloning people the Goats 🐐 applying that if Ms Casey is a clone she most likely was even before to know mark as the company is very old so they can grew people like shaky did said it in the first episode so Ms Casey was an experiment since the beginning of her entire life reason why Mrs Cobel was interesting in Marc Life as to know if he knew if Mrs Casey told him It’s also means that the others MDR employees are all related to someone who have been cloned and has been grown Most likely Dylan is a Milchick family members as well
Yayyyyy
Mr. Milkshake is a shambolic rube! I think it's Helena down in there with the gang, but she may come to change her mind on what Lumon is doing, when she gets to know them. On the other hand, that's what they want us to think!
It could definitely be possible that Helena comes to realize how bad it is if it is her.
first time watched I thought Helena and second time I thought Helly
It was opposite for me. The more I look back the more I think its Helena.
I hope that's not the case. If it is, it's almost like they killed off a main character in the first episode. I'd like to think she was being sincere in her disdain for outies. Her lying about her experience and making such an emphatic distinction between innies and outies would be 100% in character for someone who went through what she did. I think it would be an intersting enough arc to have Helly trying to keep her outie's identity secret.
Yeah it would be sad to find out Helly has been gone. There's def a case for both arguments. I think its Helena right now but it could go either way. If it is Helena, hopefully they can get Helly back