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Nice! Bock ein paar deiner Use Cases zu teilen?

@@good-dev-student awesome, thanks for the feedback/encouragement 🙂🙏

Das Risiko war/ist durchaus real 😜 ist ja fast wie Live Coding - und Live Coding geht IMMER schief, wusste schon Pumuckl: "Willst du Live etwas probieren, musst ganz schnell du dies kapieren: was nur kann wird gehen schief, Herr Murphy gibt dir Siegel und den Brief" -- Altes Koboldsgesetz

Dual-use content 😅

😅 yeah... sorry for the mix in languages, I guess 😬 This should soon be sorted out by kick a** AI translations - no matter the camera perspectives and angles, right?! 😉 Until then: appreciate dealing with the dual nature of this channel. It might make sense at some point to do a clear split, but managing two channels is just too much ATM. Appreciate you watching! 🙂✌️

@jankoWTF you my new person inspire me ✨️ I hope be constant on productivity 🙏

@good-dev-student thanks a lot, very much appreciate that 🙂 trying to "show the f**k up" constantly and to stay consistent with my content output - and seeing that my content provides value to someone out there is a great motivation in doing so 🙏

Hey man, thanks a lot for the sub - sincerely appreciated 🙏🙂 Good take on the mental model/metaphor "senior dev (you) managing a team of junior devs". For me it feels a bit like the next abstraction level: after the shift from lower-level/imperative to higher-leven/declarative we enter "delegative" territory: you'll need to get comfortable in managing your team of AI agents. Not just pros in this, also cons/pitfalls. Nevertheless the most fitting metaphor for where I see things evolving to

@@jankoWTF Yes, "delegative"--I cannot agree more. I was like an AI Assistant to my previous Senior Dev and Mentor, too. He would just give me prompts (in the form of email or yahoo messenger --no discord or github yet) like "Make me a wrapper in C for SQL queries like (this... and that...), "make me a class of Form (Borland C++) for my UI with these specs... Just read graphics.h header documentation..." My difference with AI aside from 'artificial' brain and very fast reply is that me and my mentor can sip coffee and laugh together. I wish I could do high-five with AI, too. 😅

Ja, hängt halt vom Job ab 😉

Hi there! Thanks, again something learned 🙂

Thaks a lot, glad it provided value to you 🙂 Re your question: I haven't come back to VSCode plus GH Copilot since Cursor came out as the UX was just sooo much better. So not sure what the current state is and thus I might be a bit too harsh on GH Copilot. In 2023 it made a big performance jump after GH Universe, the same might be true compared to Cursor and Windsurf after GH Universe 2024. Regarding Windsurf: I might be wrong, but I think the free tier won't get you really far if you really want to build something - however it's a fair deal to try it out. I do enjoy it quite a lot as I feel they nailed the "flow UX" aspect in the Cascade frame to the right. Compared to Cursor's "Composer + Agent" (that in itself is a UX fail IMO 😅) it's much less "visually overwhelming" than what Cursor is showing you. It feels sleek, clean, doesn't distract - just feels "right" That being said: due to the Anthropic API rate limits that Codeium seemed to have run into I switched back to Cursor for about a week and have to say: it's also really good/useful. So it's hard to pick a "true" favorite for me right now. I guess I'd put it that way: if I'm looking for more flow and being okay with a bit more "passenger seat" I tend to choose Windsurf while I'd tend to use Cursor if I'm mentally completely engaged in the codebase and thus more in the "driver seat" HTH 🙂✌️

Yes, I think so to. I definitely plan on retaining history - the vision would be to have a "open price DB" that everyone can systematically can contribute to through the app which I in turn see as a web app that is ideally complemented by a smartphone app. I see the app to be completely open source so that anyone can run/deploy it - possibly complemented by a SaaS for those that can't/don't want to run it themselves. Not sure if open source smartphone apps are even possible as I never developed one 👉 we'll figure it out 😉

Thanks a lot for your kind words 🙂 glad the content helped you

Vielen Dank und cool, dass dir die Idee gefällt 😊 Ich würde das Tool einfach super gerne "in der Welt" sehen, über Open Source für Jederfrau frei und kostenlos nutzbar, so wie wir - die Community (in the making 😉) - es haben wollen. Und würde mir nen Ast freuen, wenn Familien damit ein paar Hundert bis Tausend Euro sparen können. Die Idee hatte ich, als ich mal ne kleine Doku über nen Familienberater gesehen hab, der Familien genau in die Richtung erfolgreich berät. Daher bin ich sehr confident, dass das a) musterkennungstechnisch funktioniert und b) geldtechnisch was bringt 🙂

@@jankoWTF Wie weit bist/seid du/ihr schon mit der Umsetzung, ich würde evtl. gerne mitbasteln an der App, falls ich euren Code verstehe !? 45+ Jahre coding.

Ja nice! 🤩 Bin noch komplett am Anfang, hab vor ein paar Wochen mit Bolt nen ersten PoC gebastelt 🙂 Bock auf Discord? Hab iwo noch nen Server rumfliegen 😉 Meld mich gegen Ende der Woche nochmal dazu

Moin! Oh, das ist ein super Tipp mit der Spracherkennung! Das wusste ich noch gar nicht, danke dafür und für deine netten Worte 🙂

@@jankoWTF Achte darauf das die Videos nicht ganz gleich in der Länge und/oder Thumbnail sind, meine Videos in anderen Sprachen wurden wegen doppeltem Inhalt gesperrt obwohl Thumbnail und Audio in anderer Sprache waren!

Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Ihre Bewerbung als offizieller Tester von Saive wurde angenommen! Buckle up & stay tuned - spätestens im Januar 2025 geht's weiter 😜

Thanks a lot, glad to hear that 🙂

Da stimm ich dir zu, das ist wirklich noch etwas nervig, mal abwarten was die Entwicklung noch so bringt

I agree 100 % with your point of "YOU the dev need to be the one calling the shots and closely guiding the AI". I'd just relax/nuance the aspect of "you need to be a full stack dev" a bit: ideally you are a developer that has programmed both backend and frontend cide to some extend - but you don't NEED to be a "complete/true full stack dev" (if this perfectly balanced dev persona even truly exists at all 😉). The message I wanna send here: you NEED to at least be willing to build on top of your existing dev game - no matter your skill/scope level - or be willing to basically learn about each line of code the AI writes for you in case you are just starting out.

@jankoWTF 100% agree. Learning is a never-ending process, regardless of skill set and commercial experience. I'm constantly having to learn. I think windsurf has a place for people with any skill level, like an in-house teacher you can learn from. My 10 year old built an AI to do app with it for his homework, and he learned a heap in the process. It's really amazing.

Glad it was helpful to you 🙂

Thanks for sharing! I've tried a couple of things the last days which seems to work great and might turn it into a little "cookbook" of hacks that seem to work when using Cursor, Windsurf, etc.

Sounds like an interesting idea/take - basically a team of small AI agents working together in a "team space" that could be called IDE but could also be/feel like a evolution of that. Go make it happen! ✊🏻Or maybe a at least PoC of it that you can share. Maybe there are others out there who'll dig it🙂

Appreciate the feedback. I get that calling humans 'carbon meat bags' might not sound great to everyone, and I don't want to genuinely offend you or anyone else. I lean into that phrasing as a tongue-in-cheek way to keep things lighthearted and remind us not to take ourselves too seriously - it's just who I am and how I roll. Different strokes for different folks, right? I hear you, though-let’s just agree to disagree on the style. And thanks again for sharing your perspective!🙂✌

@@jankoWTF Thanks for your reply. The reason I take this seriously is that there is a significant movement to relegate humanity to the trash heap of history, a boostrap, if you will for the next level of evolution to a silicon-based life form. This movement is not just well funded, they are in many cases, the richest and most powerful people on the planet, who have as their goal, living forever, and leaving their "carbon meat bag" history behind them. And they don't plan on bringing you and me or the vast collection of humanity with them. Words do affect people's self conception and thoughts.

I feel you - mir geht's genauso 😉 meld mich später nochmal mit ein paar mehr Details dazu

@@jankoWTF Also ich hab mich jetzt endlich entschieden. Es wird Cursor, für den Moment, mit dem ich weiter arbeiten werde. Erstens gibt es, soweit ich das jetzt sehen kann, mehr Modelle zur Auswahl. Zweitens wurde der Preis ja von Windsurf erhöht soweit ich weiß. Drittens hab ich ja noch Claude/ChatGPT/Gemini/Perplexitiy und DeepSeeker die ich quälen kann wenn ich mal wieder unfähig bin und ned weiter weiß.

Thanks man, appreciate you 🙏

Merci 😊

Thanks a lot for the kind words 🙂🫶🏻

Yes, very good point. I was thinking about synthesizing my observations, learnings and thoughs on how to best combine "non-git-based iteration" with leveraging the versioning functionality offered in the "agentic frames" (= Cascade in Windsurf and Composer + Agents in Cursor) with good ol' git-based versioning. I think aider.chat/ is doing it in the most raw form possible (or at least used to): every LLM code change results in a git commit. IMO, that's a bit too fine granular, but there's definitely a sweet spot 👉 would be awesome if you could share your observations/assessment on where to draw the line! 🙂

Great to hear that and thanks for sharing 🙂 I feel like we can all help each other out by sharing knowledge and it's awesome to hear that you agree/made similar experiences

Moin - und danke für die netten Worte 🙂 Much appreciated 🫶

Many thanks back to you 🙂 glad I can help a bit and that you liked the content 🙂✌️

Well, it's Germany after all 😉

I know 🤦🏻da hat iwie mein Mischpult oder Ecamm Live oder beides gehakt - aber: done is better than perfect 😉 Adv. Voice Mode: jebb, alle Convos werden im Hintergrund parallel als "ganz normale textbasierte Unterhaltung" mitgeschrieben

Glad you enjoyed it

Yes, it's a problem that all users seem to be facing for the last ~7 days. Seems that Codeium/Windsurf is hitting their API limits with Anthropic and/or that Anthropic itself is struggling to keep up with the demand. The peak times seem to be 3:00 to 9:00 am Pacific Time 👉 if you're able to avoid those, you might be able to get longer Convis running without interruptions. But it is super annoying and "drove me back" to Cursor temporarily yesterday 😉

@@jankoWTF yess, like as of right now it is working like fast but the issue is that it is not fixing the error in my application even when i provide it exact error and solutions for it, it doesn't seem like it is very intelligent as it was a few days ago

What Windsurf is also lacking compared to e.g. Cursor is the ability to link docs and to do web search. The LLM not finding the right approach/solution sometimes simply comes down to the fact that it's operating on "outdated data" in the sense that a certain package/framework has progressed but the LLM doesn't know about it yet 👉 in cursor I usualy hit `@web` or `@docs` and instruct the model to make sure to use the latest developer docs. Another good general strategy usually is: divide and conquer 👉 split the thing you're trying to accomplish up into smaller, well-defined/contained parts and try to tackle each one in a separate convo with the LLM HTH 🙂✌️

Glad it was helpful!

There are also great tools out there that help with designing. I might do a video on them in the coming weeks. E.g. v0.dev/ is able to take screenshots of a UI you like and then tries to reproduce it

Windsurf also got a similar update recently: ua-cam.com/video/G2bRYbW9VYk/v-deo.htmlsi=TpVNIndQJF-xMzp0

For me Bolt and Windsurf/Cursor/etc. are in two different categories: Bolt is awesome to get a very quick prototype that you then would take to Windsurf & friends to improve. However, the immediate preview is something I also came to love in Bolt and miss in Vs studio forks like W8ndsurf and Cursor. But I'm sure that there's a way to get the same basic functionality somehow with a combination of running a live preview server with some Viscose extension. It's on my list of Rabbit Holes to check out sometime 😉

I like only Bolt and WindSurf. Cursor looks shit the desing is terrible. Also i want to ask do you know how i can ask to make me better desing UI on website? Also to to improve Quality? I ask him, but he generates me shit code..

Let me come back to your question on the design aspect. Not a designer myself, but I can try and do some digging for you 👉 ping me Wednesday next week in case I didn't get back to you by then, a'ight?

@jankoWTF no problem but you can make video if you want. Bcs i can forgot tooo

Thanks 🙂 Not having proper settings like `Cursor Settings` with their rules section and/or `.cursorrules` files is one of the crucial features that's still missing for me in Windsurf. I guess as long as that feature set isn't there yet, we're basically stuck to creating such files and telling the LLM to explicitly use it via `@` referencing. I thought about testing, if I can combine this technique with also having markdown files with "prompt templates" in which I would reference the desired markdown files containing rules

Took Perplexity on a spin for exploring a bit and expressing my thoughts based on a FastAPI use case. Convo: www.perplexity.ai/search/the-cursor-ide-has-cursor-sett-sgUBAVHwT6GJRq0X7a.mdg Final gist: Mitigating the Absence of Custom Rules in Windsurf IDE: A FastAPI Developer's Guide As developers familiar with both Cursor and Windsurf IDEs, we've come to appreciate the power of custom rules in guiding AI-assisted coding. While Cursor offers the ability to define .cursorrules files, Windsurf currently lacks this feature. However, this doesn't mean Windsurf users can't achieve similar results. This article explores strategies to mimic custom rules functionality in Windsurf, using a FastAPI project as our example. The Challenge: No Built-in Rules in Windsurf Windsurf, despite its powerful AI capabilities, doesn't provide a direct way to set custom rules or instructions for the AI to follow. This can lead to inconsistencies in code generation and make it challenging to maintain project-specific standards. The Solution: Strategic Use of Context and Prompts By leveraging Windsurf's context awareness and natural language understanding, we can create a system that closely mimics custom rules. Here's how: 1. Create a Rules Document Start by creating a fastapi_rules.md file in your project root: text # FastAPI Project Rules ## Code Style - Use snake_case for function and variable names - Use PascalCase for class names - Maximum line length: 88 characters - Use type hints for all function parameters and return values ## API Design - Use plural nouns for resource endpoints (e.g., /users, /items) - Version all API endpoints (e.g., /api/v1/users) - Use HTTP methods appropriately (GET for retrieval, POST for creation, etc.) ## Documentation - Include docstrings for all functions and classes - Use FastAPI's built-in documentation features (description, response_model, etc.) ## Dependency Injection - Use FastAPI's Depends for all database and external service dependencies ## Data Validation - Use Pydantic models for request and response data validation ## Error Handling - Use custom exception handlers for consistent error responses - Return appropriate HTTP status codes ## Testing - Write unit tests for all API endpoints - Use pytest for testing framework ## Project Structure - Organize code into modules: routes, models, services, dependencies - Keep main.py clean and use it primarily for app initialization and configuration 2. Develop Prompt Templates Create a fastapi_prompt_templates.md file with reusable prompts: text # FastAPI Prompt Templates ## Template 1: Generate an Endpoint Generate a FastAPI endpoint with the following details: - HTTP method: [METHOD] - Endpoint path: [PATH] - Pydantic model: [INPUT_MODEL] - Response model: [OUTPUT_MODEL] - Database interaction: [DB_FUNCTION] - Description: [ENDPOINT_DESCRIPTION] Ensure adherence to our project rules, particularly: - Use of snake_case for function names - Proper type hinting - Comprehensive docstring - Appropriate use of FastAPI's Depends for database interactions ## Template 2: Refactor Existing Code Refactor the following code to adhere to our project rules: [PASTE_CODE_HERE] Focus on: - Consistent naming conventions (snake_case for functions, PascalCase for classes) - Adding or improving type hints - Implementing proper dependency injection - Using Pydantic models for data validation - Improving error handling ## Template 3: Document an Endpoint Create a comprehensive docstring for the following endpoint: [PASTE_ENDPOINT_CODE_HERE] Include: - A brief description of the endpoint's purpose - Parameters explanation - Return value description - Any potential errors or exceptions - An example usage 3. Leveraging Context and Prompts in Windsurf To use these documents effectively: Prime the Context: Open both fastapi_rules.md and fastapi_prompt_templates.md at the start of your coding session. Use Template-Based Prompts: When interacting with Windsurf, reference the templates and rules. For example: text Refer to Template 1 in fastapi_prompt_templates.md. Generate a FastAPI endpoint with the following details: - HTTP method: POST - Endpoint path: /api/v1/users - Pydantic model: UserCreate - Response model: UserResponse - Database interaction: Use `get_db_session` - Description: Create a new user in the system Please implement this endpoint following our project rules in fastapi_rules.md. Iterative Feedback: If Windsurf's output doesn't fully adhere to the rules, provide feedback: text The generated code doesn't fully adhere to our project rules. Please adjust: 1. Use snake_case for the function name as specified in our code style rules 2. Include a more comprehensive docstring as per our documentation rules 3. Implement error handling using custom exception handlers as outlined in our error handling rules Regular Rule Review: Periodically review and update your rules and templates: text Please review fastapi_rules.md and fastapi_prompt_templates.md. Suggest any improvements or additions based on current FastAPI best practices and our project's evolving needs. Conclusion While Windsurf doesn't offer built-in custom rules like Cursor, this strategic use of markdown documents and prompt templates can effectively guide the AI to consistently follow project-specific standards. By integrating these practices into your workflow, you can maintain code quality and consistency in your FastAPI projects, leveraging Windsurf's powerful AI capabilities while mitigating the absence of explicit rule-setting features. This approach not only helps in maintaining coding standards but also serves as living documentation for your project, ensuring that all team members are aligned on best practices and conventions. HTH 🙂✌️

@@jankoWTF I've played around a bit with that and while it works, it does so inconsistently. It's still a bit hacky, it'd be great to see it as a feature in the future!

Yes, definitely - IMO it's the biggest thing that's missing, followed by being able to systematically reference docs like with @docs in Cursor and/or being able to do a web search to nudge the LLM to the most recent developer docs

However, regarding consistency I also felt like Cursor only follows the rules in about 70-80% of occasions.

Thanks 🙂 So your main point is how to take a "frontend only" that might have been generated by, say Bolt, V0, Replit Agent or something similar and then go and "fix" backend infra that the tools might have missed? Or are you rather referring to creating a full stack app through/with Cursor, Windsurf, IDX or similar "true IDEs"? I'm actually planning on creating a little "idea backlog app" with stackoverflow-like upvote/downvote features to co-create video ideas together with my viewers/the community. Maybe we can make this a win/win: I try and showcase something along the lines what you're imagining and it's for this particular idea backlog app that will help others in expressing similar ideas in the future 🙂

Totally! Impressive

But ElevenLabs has also been cooking again: ua-cam.com/video/v-EYzZCLF48/v-deo.htmlsi=AVvqhaB_xiR1CIXC ua-cam.com/video/iL0zMDUKt6w/v-deo.htmlsi=LyXF4rS7-ek11nQ6

Me too 😅

😅

Thanks 😊 Yep, summarization of more complex data scenarios and adhering to formal guidelines like a PowerPoint Master/Template are still a bit of a stretch or at least I don't know any tools yet that do exactly that. But I'm 100 % that these and similar demands will drive respective product development. The best way as of today would probably/arguably be to take one of the AI-infused automation/orchestration tools such as zapier.com/, www.make.com/en, n8n.io/ or vectorshift.ai/ (& similar no-code AI agent tools) and create a pipeline that meets your specific needs. Might be a good topic for a future RHaaS video 😉 Regarding your question about Claude: Claude is great to prototype ideas quickly, but as you correctly identified not suited for actually carrying production workloads.