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ANOTHER COMFORTER IDENTIFIED Illeism: the practice of talking about oneself in the third person, rather than the first person. google Some examples of Jesus talking about himself in the third person are given below: Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in HIS glory, and all the holy angels with HIM, then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS glory: Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when HE cometh in the glory of HIS Father with the holy angels. Joh 14:16-20 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, that HE may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth HIM not, neither knoweth HIM: but ye know HIM; for HE dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS I WILL COME TO YOU. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, AND I IN YOU. The “ANOTHER COMFORTER” is identified by Jesus in the following verses: In verse 17 “ ANOTHER COMFORTER” is identified as “the Spirit of truth”. Who is the “spirit of truth?” 1Co 15:45 … the last Adam (Christ) was made a quickening spirit. Here the Bible describes Jesus as a spirit In John 14:6 Jesus is said to be the truth. Joh 14:6 JESUS SAYETH unto him, I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus IS the Spirit of truth! Also in verse 17 Jesus continues to identify “another comforter”: but YE KNOW HIM; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU (this he said in the present tense), and SHALL BE IN YOU. (future tense read on) He told the disciples in verse 18 I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS, I WILL COME TO YOU. And then in verse 20 said: At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, AND I IN YOU . Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory: When Jesus promised “another comforter”, that meant that they were already in the presence of A COMFORTER. Who was the comforter that was with the disciples (present tense) ? It was the Son of God in human form. So who is the “ANOTHER COMFORTER” that Jesus promised to send? The answer is, it’s Jesus in His omnipresent form (future tense). “It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, "the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name." "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" [John 14:16, 17]. This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth"” [John 16:12, 13]. {14MR 179.2} “Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" [John 14:26]. "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you" [John 16:7]. {14MR 23.3} Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost (HOLY SPIRIT): Think it through; when Jesus breathed on them did he breathe the third person of the Godhead on the assembly or did He give them His power or influence? Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Did the Holy Ghost shed his blood for us or was it Christ? 1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: Strong’s: 3875 parakletos {par-ak'-lay-tos} AV - comforter 4, advocate 1; 5 An advocate means one advocate not two also advocate and comforter come from the same word parakletos.

Amen!

Thanks Virgil,so well presented and easy to understand

putting all the verses involved together, Genesis one could read, "In the beginning Jehovah God created the heavens and earth By His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ."

Amen..Pastor Virgil. God bless you and your ministry. Thank you for sharing these powerful truths.

Thank you for sharing 👍

Thank you for these videos - the more I hear arguments about when the Son of God came into existence and if he is begotten and if he really is the Son and who he is relative to his Father, etc. etc. the more I think the whole issue comes about because of the underlying belief in the trinity doctrine. It seems to me that is what causes the confusion because those that believe in it have to make Jesus and the Father and their spirit co-equal to make the doctrine valid. In order to do that it is required to twist the truth and create explanations since one is trying to establish something that doesn’t exist. The premise is faulty so all consequent ideas must be faulty. Attempting to verify something that is non-existent is a fools errand unfortunately the majority of Christianity has been misled to believe it - Satan has been hard at work these past 2000 yrs. May God open all eyes, especially those of the shepherds of the flock, to know and preach truth.

Amen Brother!

I think it is really confusing... Having Jesus as a LITERAL SON OF GOD only when he became Human and not at Eternity past.... How can a God (the Son) who is self existed need to be born by another God (the Father to be Human)... How can we take that literal

“BEGOTTEN” There is a lot of confusion in the world as to what “BEGOTTEN” means. Remember Jesus said: Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. In this study we will let the Bible show you what “Begotten” means through “parallelism”. In PARALLELISM the speaker uses a word to describe a thought or action then in the same or following verse uses a different word to describe the same action. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Num 11:12 Have I CONCEIVED all people? have I BEGOTTEN them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers? Ecc 5:14 But those riches perish by evil travail: and he BEGETTETH a son, and there is nothing in his hand. Ecc 5:15 As he CAME FORTH of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand. Gen 30:39 And the flocks CONCEIVED before the rods, and BROUGHT FORTH cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. Isa 39:7 And of thy sons that shall ISSUE from thee, which thou shalt BEGET, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon. Jesus said: Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I CAME OUT from God. Joh 16:28 I CAME FORTH from the Father, and am come into the world: AGAIN, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou CAMEST FORTH from God. In Proverbs 8:22-31 the Son of God declared concerning Himself: Pro 8:22-31 The LORD POSSESSED ME in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I WAS BROUGHT FORTH: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one BROUGHT UP with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. In the video several persons were quoted, so I shall quote one also: “The Scriptures declare that Christ is "the only begotten son of God." He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning.” {1890 EJW, CHR 21.2}

The Scriptures declare that Christ is "the only begotten son of God." He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning. {1890 EJW, CHR 21.2}

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In the beginning was the woman, and the woman was with the Man, and the woman was what the Man was, for the woman was of the same nature as the man for the woman came out of the Man. Therefore, God created them Male and female, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. (Genesis 5:1-2.) Adam came first, Eve came latter, bone of his bone, and flesh of his Flesh. The creation of Adam and Eve was an Object lesson for the whole universe, because Lucifer lied about the identity of Gods dear divine Son, and got up a warfare over the matter, until he had to be cast down to the earth. All written in the Spirit of Prophecy.

Thank you brother Virgil. May God allow this message to reach far and wide.

Amen thank you brother Virgil... what a beautiful message... God bless

Ivor has not yet put the puzzle together. I hope he does soon.

Thank you brother Virgil for your good video... But everyone fails to explain that there are two different meanings for the English word ' Begotten' STRONGS says this... gennaō - Begotten ghen-nah'-o From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring. (Act_13:33, 1Co_4:15, Phm_1:10, Heb_5:5 (2), 1Jn_5:1, 1Jn_5:18) monogenēs - Begotten mon-og-en-ace From G3441 and G1096; only born, that is, sole: - only (begotten, child). (Joh_1:14, Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, Heb_11:17, 1Jn_4:9) Pastor Ivor Myers conveniently chose the other meaning of begotten (gennaō ) ... which does attribute to Jesus the Son of God, being birthed into becoming the Son of man, birthed as a child, when the word became flesh... But when it comes to the other word begotten (monogenēs) which doesn't mean unique, as the Greek word for unique is monadikós, this word monogenēs means 'only child' .... They conveniently choose the word gennaō to back up their argument... What is sad, I like anyone else, can see for ourselves using the concordance to prove the real meanings of these words... these guys are theologians, and professionals... shows me they know what they are doing, by decieving the flock, May the Lord have mercy on our souls

I pray that Ivor will get it, he does seem to have some pride and he has a wife and children and probably a very good pay check.

Anyone in the one true God movement in the area of maryland ? Me and hubby are looking for one true God folks to fellowship together

Anyone in the one true God movement in the are of maryland ? Me and hubby are looking for one true God folks to fellowship together

I don’t seek to defame Pr Meyers’ character as I believe he truly loves God and is just passionate in defending what he perceives to be true, but often I notice that many people’s passion leads them to pass remarks that seem almost intentionally fallacious, namely him saying that people with our understanding do not believe there is a Holy Spirit. We most definitely do we just don’t believe the spirit is a another separate individual to the owner of the spirit, and it’s disingenuous to assert that we don’t believe in the Holy Spirit at all. It’s as though many of these Pr’s seeks to manipulate their audience to perceive us in a false light. Nonetheless let’s all pray that our church is lead back into the light of truth that we may once again uphold it is did the pioneers.

Desire of Ages page 51.1. "The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the first-born of heaven to save the sinner. This gift was to be acknowledged in every household by the consecration of the first-born son. He was to be devoted to the priesthood as a representative of Christ among men."

We as Seventh-day Adventists, we accept Ellen White as the pen of inspiration, who had the Spirit of prophecy. We are not to put the S.O.P. before the holy Scriptures, but as a backup. Ellen White never stepped outside of the Bible. If you use the Ellen White search engine, you can find very interesting statements on the Only Begotten Son of the Father. Example! "As the first born of heaven, and the Only Begotten of the Father, filled with all the treasures of eternity, He assumed humanity, and impressed upon it the glorious image of the everlasting God." {11LTMS, LT 101, 1896 par. 7; Desire of Ages page 51.1.}

How do we read 1st John 4:9. "In this was manifested the Love of God toward us, because that God sent His Only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him." and again. Galatians 4:4. " But when the fulness of time was come, God set forth His son, made of a woman, born under the law. And again. John 1:14. "And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." Was Christ Jesus born of the Father just once, or twice? "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. Does this not tell us that the word was just as much divine as the one He was with? Does not a son always have his father's nature? Is anything imposable with God? For some there is an impossibility for God the Father, and that is to Beget a Son in eternity past, that is infinitely God as His Father. For in Him (Christ) dwelt all the fulness of Godhead (divinity) bodily, for it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell. Col. 2:9: 1:19.

So, what do you see and understand of God's love "for God so loved the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son."

to read a verse, or passage and draw out something that the passage does not say, is mystical or conjecture

What? Eternal Generation? Generate means to create/produce. So how in the world does one get *eternally* generated?

At the 6:12 mark Ivor Myers said, "And then by him everything else was created". The "else" makes it seem like the Jehovah's Witness teaching instead of the true teaching of the Son being begotten (not created). I don't know if that is what he had in mind, but I don't like his explanation. I certainly wouldn't word it like that.

The biggest issue I see in the corporate SDA organization (it is not the church) as well as OTG SDA (which has a 1000 different doctrines and very little unity if any) is that none of the above adhere to studying the Bible and SOP according to the directives given in the Bible or SOP themselves. This video addressed Isaiah 28:9-10, which is paramount. And here is a quote from Sister White regarding Miller's Rules of Bible Interpretation. "Those who are engaged in proclaiming the third angel's message are searching the Scriptures upon the same plan that Father Miller adopted. In the little book entitled "Views of the Prophecies and Prophetic Chronology," Father Miller gives the following simple but intelligent and important rules for Bible study and interpretation: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible; 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study; 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering; 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence; and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error; 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." The above is a portion of these rules; and in our study of the Bible we shall all do well to heed the principles set forth." RH November 25, 1884, par. 23 - RH November 25, 1884, par. 25 I encourage all Bible students to read the entire article and learn and apply all 14 of Miller's Rules to the study of the Bible & SOP. Unity can't happen until we do.

It's pretty sad. All these different people were describing this so-called Eternal generation of the son, but not one of them gave any Bible verses indicating that what they were saying was actually true. Why do puny humans think they can say whether or not God could have existed without Christ at any point in eternity past? Who are humans to think that they can dictate what God can and cannot do. It's pretty ridiculous! What's in the Bible God says that he has and only begotten son and that he sent that son into the world. I'm just going to take the Bible as it reads. If God says he has a son then that means he actually has a son. A son is never as old as his father. If he's the same age as his father he's not actually a son, and he certainly not and only begotten son.

They believe the trinity but they can’t see it in the Bible!

To use the term 'eternal generation' and or eternally begotten is a dichotomy. It is simply an embezzled misapplication of the word...begotten. For one to claim eternally begotten within the same breath as begotten is contradiction of terms. An indecipherable paradox it is. It is inconceivable for one to be born and yet never have been born. This quandary in merely a sophistry enshrouded in a mystery that is in concert with... the mysterious central doctrine... of the mother church. 'Do not attempt to understand it...Just accept it'. Says the serpent.

I covered on that, and showed him what “eternal generation really means” and he said only put the Bible, or don’t comment which is a paradox because he clearly didn’t mention the Bible when he commented the Nicene Creed.

I think pastor Meyers tries harder than anyone to define what the issue is, and he does a good job at that. As with discussing evolution, the more you talk about it and look into it, you see the truth come to light. I'm thinking that God is going to enlighten Meyers on this and he is going to understand the true sonship of Christ. I just hope his pride won't keep him from embracing it.

His picture example is childish and he uses it to ultimately say those who disagree with him believe a lie, the word he used. I think his illustration applies clearly to him. It reminds me of the masters degrees and even Phds that can't discern the definitions of begotten and created. They keep saying they mean the same thing. Something fifth grade students can readily comprehend.

In Patriarchs and Prophets ch. 1, sister White addresses Christ as God's son numerous times. This is during the period when lucifer is carrying out his rebellion in heaven, before being thrown out and before the seven days of creation.

See how Meyers confuses the issue at 4:45. Was Jesus begotten in eternity past of His Father, and then includes the weird thought of, you believe there is no Holy Spirit also. What that tells me is he is afraid that should he find Christ is begotten of God in eternity past, it would lead to a slippery slope. Next thing you know you would be saying there is no Holy Spirit. By believing that, one ensures they are not going to accept that Christ is begotten of God. However, clearly understanding the definitions we are talking about, the slippery slope dissapears.

This is a really well disciplined detailed critique on this discussion. Christ's sonship is of paramount importance before he is resurrected. Remember, God spoke at his baptism, saying that he was indeed His son. This is what he was able to believe during the forty day fast when satan tempted him while saying, if you are really the son of God. He wasn't tempting with, if you are really going to be the son of God when you are resurrected, as Meyers suggest.

Walter Veith makes a false conclusion that if Christ did come from God his Father, then he is not God. That is a false conclusion. He is God, the creator of all things.

So glad to find this channel.Thanks will definitely follow.🎉🎉

what spirit is that you believe you preach under

Good, balanced, scriptural, and open minded.presentation. it is quite challenging.

Love This. Thank you.

Amen...very well said.

Jesus was begotten at his resurrection Acts 13-33 KJV God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ellen White agrees: “We declare unto you glad tidings,” the apostle continued, “how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that He hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee. And as concerning that He raised Him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, He said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore He saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: but He, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.” AA 172.1

Pipenger @8 min is essentially asking 'Where is Christ's mother'? Was not Adam a Son of God? Jeff...Where is Adam's mother?

Hello, just to say that if Jesus was equal to the Father, that is, he is the same eternity, he could never have died on the cross because God cannot die. As the wages of sin is death, the divine and human person of Christ had to die. Now, only the begotten Son could die on the cross.

Pastor Myers believes that all of us are not using our brains, like him. SMH.

*Here’s a Trinitarian conundrum:* - *Jesus prayed to the Father [John 17:1], - but His mother Mary was pregnant with Him as a result of the Holy Spirit: “She was found with child of the Holy Spirit” [Matthew 1:18]. That would make the Holy Spirit the “father” of Jesus.* *Question for Trinitarians [Modalist] and Tritheist [3 gods].* *Provide the name[s] of the Book[s] in the Bible, the chapters and verses that explain the following:* *1.)* There is one God, and He is triune. *2.)* Jesus is God, yet He is not triune. *3.)* The holy Spirit is God, but not triune. *4.)* Jesus is a metaphorical, or unique Son. *5.)* That the Son of God is a job description/roleplay/imaginative Son. *6.)* Calling or covenantal/agreement identity. *7.)* A narrative/story identity. *8.)* That the Bible text "Son of God" has nothing to do with [ontology/metaphysics] nature of being and existence. *Philosophical explanations are not acceptable.* - *Only the name[s] of the Book[s] in the Bible, the chapters and verses must be provided.* *Most SDA Church *members believe in a literal sonship,* but *the authority of the GC, the BRI argues differently,* - *they believe in a metaphorical Son.* *Below is what the SDA hierarchy say* - *[Note- not the members].* - *Seems like the hierarchy is the ponéros speaking through the people. [Acts 19:15].* *"People expect the General Conference to have the last word and to speak for the Church with ultimate authority.”* (General Conference President Neal C. Wilson, Commission Report on Role and Function of Denominational Organizations, 140-85GN, p 22-23, April 30, 1985). *Did you get that?* - *They say “the people expect”* - *Are the leaders the people speaking on behalf of the people?* - *I'd like to see the agreement between the GC and the "people".* *Additionally, they say that the members must abide by their decisions.* - “It is our responsibility to study the Scriptures for ourselves, to ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to submit our understandings to those in the church who are able to judge our findings, *and then to abide to the decisions of the church...”* (Seventh-day Adventist Church Adult Sabbath School Quarterly, Lesson 13, March 28, 1987, p 92, or p 153 in the Teacher’s Edition). *Sounds more like a dictatorship, isn't it?* *There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says Jesus is a metaphorical Son.* - *Such un-Biblical utterances were made by Manuel Rodriguez [now retired] was a Seventh-day Adventist theologian and was the “director” of the Adventist BRI (Biblical Research Institute).* In the November 2015 issue of Adventist World on page 42 he wrote the following: "The Son is not the natural, literal Son of the Father. A natural child has a beginning, while within the Godhead the Son is eternal. *The term “Son” is used metaphorically* when applied to the Godhead. It conveys the ideas of distinction of persons within the Godhead and the equality of nature in the context of an eternal, loving relationship" *Likewise, Gerhard Pfandi, says,* - *"The sonship of Jesus, however, is not ontological, but functional. In the plan of salvation each member of the trinity has accepted a particular role"* - The Trinity in Scripture by Gerhard Pfandi, Biblical Research Institute, Silver Springs, MD, June 1999. *Retired Associate Director Biblical Research Institute (BRI) states,* - *“No text of Scripture specifically says that God is three Persons:* - *but* theological reasoning on the basis of biblical principles leads to that conclusion.” - *Kwabena Donkor, retired Associate Director Biblical Research Institute (BRI) Release 9, May 2015, page 20, God in 3 Person - in Theology* So, then what is being stated is that *“No text of Scripture specifically says that God is three Persons”* Then he [Kwabena Donkor] concludes, “theological reasoning based on biblical principles leads to that conclusion.” *What a contradiction!* - *First, he says there is no prooftext* - *then he contradicts himself by saying theological reasoning based on biblical principle leads to that conclusion.* - *He should have been a politician* *Since when does dogma replace scripture?* *An official Church Publication reads,* “If Adventism is to meet the needs of all people around the world, the landmarks must remain simple and straightforward. The Bible will be our only creed. Complex theological definitions, *the Trinity, for example, may serve the church well in general but cannot be imposed as a test for all Adventist everywhere.”* - The Seventh-day Adventist Church and Certain Private Ministries (NAD 1977), p.50 Adventism can expect fresh insights into truth, ‘present truth’ that will enhance the appreciation of old landmarks. Such an expectation has always been a part of historic Adventism and is reaffirmed in the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs voted in 1980. When ‘present truth’ is of a complex nature, however, *it may be more helpful for some in the church than for others. In such a case it cannot be imposed on the church as a whole.”* (Ibid). *Then they say,* - *“Remember our non-Trinitarian past as well as the simplicity of our landmarks should encourage a certain humility in the church and lead us to resist any attempt by one segment of the church to impose its views on the rest.”* (Ibid) *Now, be honest and tell me, is it proper for the GC of the SDA Church to impose its synthesis on members, and expel those who conscientiously do not agree with the church’s reasoning, even though those members accept everything the Bible actually says?* -- The Bible refers to Christ as God's Son at least 120 times. Jesus is the Son of God the Father. The phrase *Son [G5207 uihos] of God [G2316 theos]* is mentioned 48 times in 47 verses in the KJV Bible. *Paul emphatically states that Christ was* - *“Begotten First or Born Before all creation”* - *because all of creation was by God through His Son Jesus Christ.* [Col. 1:15-16]. *“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.”* Ephesians 3:9 ‘For to which of the angels did he ever say such words as these: ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten *[G1080 to be born; to be begotten]* you?’ Or, again ‘I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?’ Further, *when he brings his first-born*[G4416 prōtotokos the first born of all creation]* into this world of men,* he says: ‘Let all the angels of God worship him.’ Hebrew 1:5-6 J.B Phillips] A similar decree in found in Psalm 2:7 ‘I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, *Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten *[G1080 or H3205 - yâlad - of child birth; to be born; to beget a child]* thee.’* Psalm 2:7 in the LXX, Acts 13:33 and Hebrews 1:5 all use the word begotten [Hebrew γεγέννηκά G1080 to be born; to be begotten]" *Jesus speaks interpreting God’s declaration of His Sonship.* - *This decree implies that Jesus is to be acknowledged as the Son of God and that His reign is universal.* [vs. 8,9] *This is an official declaration by Jesus Himself by His Father own words that there was a day that Jesus was begotten of the Father.* - *This declaration is made to ALL creation whom were not present at the day that Jesus was begotten of His Father and that He is NOT a product of creation.* *Thayer's Greek Lexicon says,* “Christ is called, firstborn of all creation, who came into being through God prior to the entire universe of created things.” Barnes New Testament Notes on Colossians 1:15 says, “the word firstborn - pro-tot-ok'-os - properly means the firstborn child of a father or mother.” *Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary says,* “Begotten (literally, 'born') before every creature.” *Matthew Henry's Commentary states* “He was born or begotten before all the creation, before any creature was made;” *And since the word “son” is prefixed by the word “begotten”* - *more than once when referring to Christ,* - *then it can only mean Jesus is born of God and explains why He is called the Son of God to state the obvious.* - *We also have Paul's testimony in Colossians 1:15 which says Christ was the first born BEFORE anything was created.* - *And the Greek word “prōtotokos” used in this verse CANNOT be abused as it means, first born [usually as noun, literally or figuratively]: - firstbegotten [born].* *“CHRIST WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, AND LUCIFER, THAT GLORIOUS ANGEL, GOT UP A WARFARE OVER THE MATTER,* until he had to be thrust down to the earth.” - 25LtMs, Ms 86, Aug. 21, 1910, par. 29 *And today the pastors employed by the GC “GOT UP A WAREFARE OVER THE MATTER”.*

*Etymologists at some point decided* that the term *μονογενης (monogenes)* did not in fact carry the meaning of ‘begotten’. Rather, *it seems to be the case.* This is the reason that modern translations of the Bible have effectively dropped the use of this term in English. *Thus, they say that the word means ‘one-of-a-kind’ and is reserved for Jesus in the Johannine literature of the NT.* In every instance of *μονογενης (monogenes)* in the NT, the meaning ‘only begotten’ fits the context better than ‘one of a kind’ or unique’. It may be concluded that the usage of *μονογενης (monogenes)* that there is clear warrant for retaining the meaning ‘only begotten’. If *μονογενης* truly mean ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’, without any reference to ‘begetting’, then one might expect *μονογενης (monogenes) * could be used of a brother or sister and even of a father. Therefor we might expect to also find *μονογενης αδελφος* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique brother’, or *μονογενης αδελφη* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique sister’ and *μονογενης πατηρ* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique father’. Such expressions do not occur throughout the whole of Greek literature. *Whenever μονογενης (monogenes) is used in the context of personal relationship, the relationship is always that of offspring to parent. This strongly suggest that the concept of ‘begotten’ is indeed present in μονογενης (monogenes).* *μονογενης (monogenes)* is a Greek adjective consisting of two parts, *μονο (mono) and γενης (genes).* There is no argument regarding the derivation of the first part of the word; it is from the Greek word *μονον (monon),* an adverb meaning ‘only’. The difference of opinion only arises in regard to the second part of the word, *γενης.* The traditional view is that *γενης* is to be derived from the Greek verb *γενναω* Strong’s 1080 *(‘meaning to beget, conceive‘),* so that *μονογενης* meaning ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’, so that *μονογενης* must mean ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’. In support of the letter view, some point out that *γενος* has only a single v (the Greek letter, pronounced ‘nu’) as does *μονογενης while γενναω* has two v’s. So which etymology is correct? *It must also be recognized that it is only in recent times that some scholars have advanced the view that the Greek word* - *μονογενης (monogenes)* - *does not mean ‘only begotten’, as in the Authorised King James Version, but ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’ or something which omits the concept of ‘begotten’.* *It must also be noted that there is nothing in the term *μονογενης (monogenes)* to indicate that Christ was ‘the eternal Son of God,’ as many suggested.* If the type was not literal than the anti-type should also not be literal, but this is not so. *The Bible is clear that the type and anti-type are both literal Father and Son.* - *Nowhere in the Bible do we read that Jesus is a unique or metaphorical Son, but it rather gives the direct opposite repeatedly.* *The claim that the γενης (genes) [Strongs 1085 meaning descendant, Family] ending of μονογενης is to be derived from γενος with the meaning ‘class’, or ‘sort’, ‘kind’, may be tested by examining the meaning of the γενης ending in a similar Greek adjective which also have the same two-part structure.* *Herewith a list of such adjectives.* *1* πρωτογενης: - *first born* - *2* ομογενης: - *of the same race or family* - *3* πολυγενης: - *of many families* - *4* αγεηνς: - *not of noble birth; low born* - *5* παλιγενης: - *born again, generated anew* - *6* ευγενης: - *well born, high born* - *7* αγεννης: - *low born δυσγενης: low born* - *8* προγενης: - *born before* - *9* συγγενης: - *related, akin* *It may be observed that in all the above-mentioned [9] words the concept of ‘begetting’ or ‘derivation by birth’ is clearly present.* The Nicene Creed of the year 325 defines monogenēs as “only-begotten.” Monogenēs was always translated as “only-begotten,” even in the Latin translations that preceded the first English Bible. *The word is monadikos (μοναδικός) and it antedates Christianity, having been employed by Aristotle, Philo, and others. The Greek word monadikos (μοναδικός) means unique or one of a kind and nothing else, as native Greeks know. Its morphology hasn't changed in over two thousand years. monadikos (μοναδικός) is the word that Greek speakers have been using for unique for more than two thousand years, and it is the word native Greeks still use today when they want to say unique or one of a kind.* *Neither has the morphology of (monogenes) μονογενης changed in over two thousand years, and monogenes has always meant only begotten or its equivalent.* *Just as only begotten is not equivalent to unique, so monogenes is not equivalent to monadikos. The Greek word monogenes does not mean unique, nor has it ever. The Greek word monadikos means unique. It has always meant unique.* *Had the writers of the New Testament wanted to say unique, THEY WOULD HAVE USED THE GREEK WORD WHICH MEANS UNIQUE - monadikos (μοναδικός).* *The reason the writers of the New Testament didn’t employ monadikos when they penned the New Testament is simple - because the writers of the New Testament didn’t mean unique. The writers of the New Testament meant only begotten or its equivalent. That’s why they used the word monogenes (μονογενης) instead of monadikos (μοναδικός).* *According to both history and native Greeks themselves, the Greek word monogenes means only begotten or its equivalent, and it has always been so,* notwithstanding the delusions of Anglo-bible scholars and modern version translators who cannot speak Greek. *Another objection that many put forth is:* If Paul meant to convey that Christ was the first created being, why did he not use the Greek word protoktistos, which means "first created"? Prōtoktistos comes from the said adjective prōtos and the verb ktizō ‘to build, construct, create.’ *Christian theologians have often used this distinction as evidence that Jesus was “begotten, not made”* and is therefore of the same substance/dna as the Father as opposed to a mere part of the creation. - In Col. 1:15, the rendering "every creature" in context designates the class being spoken as being all living creatures. On the other hand, *Jesus is certainly NOT the firstborn of only one creature, which really would make no sense.* *If Jesus was the first created, as some people claim, surely the Greek word ‘protoktistos’ would have been used instead.* *One could ask a similar question concerning Paul’s usage of firstborn in Colossians 1:18, such as *why didn't he say "first raised" from the dead, rather than "firstborn" from the dead?* *There is no record that the word protokistos was in common use in Paul's day. If the word protokistos [which nowhere appears in the Bible] had been used, then the thought would have been shifted from the rights of the one who is firstborn to his being the first created.* - *Paul was not emphasizing that Jesus was the first created,* - *but rather that Jesus held the rights of heirship as the firstborn of all creation.* - *This in no way negates the fact that the firstborn one is included in the group spoken of; it certainly does not provide any reason to change its meaning in this case from the meaning shown in its usage throughout the scriptures.*