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The Altaic Hypothesis: A Linguistics Aneurysm!
In the 1700s, the Altaic hypothesis arose, positing a genetic relationship between Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic languages. As time progressed, the majority of linguists accepted that this hypothesis never held water, but that doesn't mean this hypothesis went down without a fight. Even now, there are some people out there who truly believe these languages to be related.
Today, I explore some of this!
Sources cited: docs.google.com/document/d/1kIkmB9DoXDDpO1jhMfDWviyE9vDh2wFDWrQeBe-AxdA/edit?usp=sharing
(my next video will feature on-screen citations, however, visuals for this video were mostly complete by the time that I realized on-screen citations were needed. If necessary, I will reupload this video in the future with them. However, for right now, this will have to suffice, since I have a pretty strict deadline to abide by.)
I will be releasing a video on a second channel tomorrow talking about why this video came out so late, the creative process, and future plans. I'll post the link in a comment when that gets released. I would have put it out today but I got some really hard-hitting news and I need a bit longer.
If anyone is willing to help me do captions at some point, since I don't know how, please contact me. I can't provide payment, at least not yet, but I want my videos to be accessible. My username is wrenisprobablybored on Discord. Make sure to send a message request with some sort of info about who you are so that I don't think you're a scammer :P
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Why Unicode HATES This Language!
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Tulu is a language spoken by millions in South India, and yet it lacks any form of standardized writing, and its own script isn't even encoded into Unicode! Please feel free to discuss the topic and leave suggestions for what my next video should be about in the comments. Yes, the title is clickbait. Sorry but also like... Lingolizard said it was a good title! So there! :P Also, I know this vid...

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  • @person26dx
    @person26dx 3 години тому

    george starostin... that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. he ran a pretty infamous web 1.0 site where he wrote interminably long rock record reviews, rating each artist using a bizarre scale of "greatness" that involved such factors as "adequacy" and "resonance" and inevitably revealed the greatest musicians of all time to be the beatles, the stones and bob dylan. he inaugurated a whole generation of irritating record nerd forum types with reams of pseudo-scientific "evidence" for why music peaked in the 60s. highly unsurprised to find him at the vanguard of what appears to be an entirely vibes-based linguistic theory.

  • @siarhian10
    @siarhian10 13 годин тому

    This video is a sensory nightmare

    • @wrenisprobablyb0red
      @wrenisprobablyb0red 12 годин тому

      @@siarhian10 yeah, absolutely. i'm redoing the audio ASAP

  • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
    @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 15 годин тому

    I think the sinister puppet 🎎 master of Earth 🌍 decided one day: I'm going to make a whole load of extremely cumbersome languages. To make humans suffer 😭 to improve their soul quality. And that is how the Bronze Age began. =================================== Also, had the Indo-European language family in case humans made a mega-civilisation around the area from Europe to India (easiest continuous civilisation). Humans never did. Though AI 🤖 subsystems interfering with each other is to blame for that.

  • @notme437
    @notme437 День тому

    VOVIN MENTIONED VOVIN MY LOVE ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @pedrosampaio7349
    @pedrosampaio7349 День тому

    Lumpers definitely have point in saying that language families are probably more connected than we think. The issue lies in actually knowing those connections, some of which which we either can't ever know, and others we might know, with future developments. It's kinda arrogant or at least very irresponsible to claim otherwise.

  • @owenfarmer1588
    @owenfarmer1588 День тому

    first linguistics channel i’ve watched with a furry rant-sona. altaic is funny.

  • @unquietthoughts
    @unquietthoughts День тому

    And some Altaicists are trying to rebrand it as Trans-Eurasian lmao

  • @user-eu6hc3sx3j
    @user-eu6hc3sx3j День тому

    Love the video!

  • @Chrnan6710
    @Chrnan6710 День тому

    Possum!!!

  • @honeycomblord9384
    @honeycomblord9384 День тому

    This is a pretty good video, though it sounds like you used two different microphones at points. Also, your fursona looks cool af!

  • @averagemekhanefollower281
    @averagemekhanefollower281 День тому

    Altaic hypothesis is obviously bogus. We all know all languages descended from Central Asian Turkish sun worshippers.

  • @cengizaltinveturkturanlilartar

    la Familles Tourque Touranienne, Ce Sont Créateur Tout les Civilisation. la Familles Tourque Touranienne, Ce Sont Montagnard, Nomade, et Amozonienne. Voilâ la Familles Tourque Touranienne, Tatares, Scyhtes, la Sibérie, Sarmates, Mongol, Mançour, Tounguz, Ainu, Guril, Kore, Ougro Finnios, lapon, Esquimos, Odin, Cimmérienne, Maori, Caucase, Basque, Bérberes, Indus Valles, Assam, Dravidienne, Bengal, Urdu, Nepal, Tibet, Bhutan, Nagas, Nadam, Sikkim, Souryas ou Tourcoman, Azteque, Inca, Tolteque, Tupis, Carip, Huns, Khazar, Avar, Alan, Celtique, Birman, Siam, Joung, Mekong, laos, Khmer, Malay ou Males. Polonesinne, etc. la Familles Tourque Touranienne Ce Sont Parenté et Mix Population, merci Beaucoup.

  • @cengizaltinveturkturanlilartar

    Ural Altaic, language, Tourque, Tatares, Ougro Finnios, Scythes ou Saka Saha, Mançour, Tounguz, Dravidienne ou Tamil, Mongol,. la Familles Tourque Touranienne. Civilisation Akkad ou Chaldén, Sümerienne, leur language. Merci

  • @ProjectMirai64
    @ProjectMirai64 День тому

    Nice vid!

  • @averageyoruk
    @averageyoruk 2 дні тому

    Mongolian and Turkic are definitly related and mançu too its not just few word, in case of japanese and korean its mostly due too geographicly proxy, but if you think like that where you draw the line of many proxy language become a family language because for all language its same lot of people in a given area share culture and if they stay close enough time they will become one or very similar language . İ think that İndo european being accepeted among linguistic its because this institute has been always been lead by indo european speaking people so this can be a political and a cultural reason but also this group have stay enough time together to be consider one family and when they spread they stay pretty much same language. İn the case of turkish and mongolian both language can be understood in some degree by each other how ever there is the problem of loanword. İ dont say that indo european dont exist but altaic family is acceptable at least turkic and mongolian, and i think that altay mountain are a bad therm for all of this family because turks mongolian mançu korean japanese came from a area between amur river and baykal lake so... but like the major split was in altay so i understand. And also if you think this cannot be true i think you will be shocked that there is more in Türkiye we have the Ural-Altay-Kızıldereli(ural-altay-red skin) hypotesis so this one even nationalist dont know well about its a very deep "super-family" who are mostly based on genetics because yes turk and OG american are related take my words like its just theory there are not serious research about this topic and i understand why but among native american there some who like the idea and mostly in Türkiye but like its based one word, cultural and religious similarity, Turkish nationalism is wild like it is very present in education like sumerian are turk(mostly based on word similarity) etruscan, thracian, hittite, tuareg, schytian,viking(german,goth),french. So if you read all the comment thanks and i would love to explain to you all this theory . Have a good day

  • @wrenisprobablyb0red
    @wrenisprobablyb0red 2 дні тому

    I know the editing is pretty bad right now. I'm gonna correct it soon but basically what happened is that I had a hard deadline and I was doing the last audio editing when I got some really bad news. I didn't want to push back the video so I ended up with fucked up audio and didn't double check it. It really sucks cause I wanted so badly to provide something basically perfect, and I really didn't manage anything like that... Thank you for the support, everyone! Almost 2k views in two days is amazing... The thing mentioned in the description is still gonna happen. I just need a little more time. I don't lead a particularly stable life and finding time that I'm emotionally available can be hard :fire:

    • @wrenisprobablyb0red
      @wrenisprobablyb0red 2 дні тому

      If you've got errors to point out that you think I might miss (not the major audio error, cause trust me, I'm not missing that. I'm redoing the audio asap) but little visual things

    • @Fragens
      @Fragens 2 дні тому

      ​​​​​​@@wrenisprobablyb0red is your character supposed to be there at 4:16 ? cuz its not there, or did you decide to not put it there? I also spotted a probably unintended netflix logo at 8:13 , the ithailian venn diagram dissapears for a sec at 14:13 , the background dissapears at 14:16 and at 14:26 you can see the ithailian venn diagram text for a split sec

    • @lovelyzen223
      @lovelyzen223 2 дні тому

      Video is still amazing Wren, it was so much fun to watch (even though I'm not smart enough to understand half the things). Ik you aren't looking into the side of how connecting languages into a macrofamily can be important to nationalist agendas but I think that's super interesting. I'd definitely love to do some research on that myself.

  • @Emery_Pallas
    @Emery_Pallas 2 дні тому

    Pretty good but you really need to fix your editing, I have no idea how you managed to layer two audio tracks over each other several times but it’s a bit distracting and removes important information

  • @unebaguette9745
    @unebaguette9745 2 дні тому

    There isn't just 1 furry linguist :0, new sub!

  • @reisenbutimyimyum
    @reisenbutimyimyum 2 дні тому

    K

  • @joejoe5071
    @joejoe5071 2 дні тому

    Good video! Although I am just going to say please review your work before publishing them, the audio overlapped a few times. ❤

  • @jess5620
    @jess5620 2 дні тому

    Me when sprachbunds aren't good enough

  • @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit
    @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit 2 дні тому

    Hey, so, I can proof with 100% certainty that Greek (and all other Indo-European languages), Phoenician (I guess that also means the entirety of Afroasiatic), Basque (including it's sister languages Ainu and the Dravidian language family), the Sino-Tibetan family, Japanese and Danish are part of the same family. They all originated from the Graeco-Phoenician-Basque-Icelandic pidgin. Here's a sample text: "Pfliip Florrp, Θώθ hekwos deywos. 𐤒𐤓𐤕𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕 fuccian 服. Euskara sahara hrurgle Trompete. Oiseaux Oiseaux. 猫" -Homer, emperor of the Graeco-Phoenician Empire.

  • @lucasinatur2925
    @lucasinatur2925 2 дні тому

    Omg, linguistics nerd and non-binary, they're just like me fr 😂

  • @SisselOnline
    @SisselOnline 2 дні тому

    Oh finally a new vid uwu

  • @nxtvim2521
    @nxtvim2521 2 дні тому

    dude what's with you talking over yourself during the transitions? its jarring.

  • @JohnSmith-of2gu
    @JohnSmith-of2gu 2 дні тому

    Wow the Altaicists really cannot hide the salt anymore in the 21st century huh?

  • @PlatinumAltaria
    @PlatinumAltaria 2 дні тому

    Reject Altaic, return to Turko-Algonquian!

  • @Alvionalx
    @Alvionalx 2 дні тому

    bluds finally back

  • @gehenna14
    @gehenna14 3 дні тому

    I'm not a professional linguist of any kind but from what I've gathered the similaries altacists say the altaic langauges have (agglutinative, vowel harmony etc.) possibly originated from an ancient sprachbund that the various "branches" were apart of rather than a language family. e.g Their proto languages were all probably passing through Manchuria (or some other region to the west or southwest) at some point in the past and while they were there they influenced each other, before spreading out and forming their respective language families.

  • @Zippo-ku3rx
    @Zippo-ku3rx 3 дні тому

    You better get really popular!

  • @siyacer
    @siyacer 3 дні тому

    its real

    • @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit
      @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit 2 дні тому

      @@siyacer yes, and Basque *is* the ancestor of all other "languages".

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 2 дні тому

      @@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit why are altaic deniers universally redditors?

  • @andrewandrei3062
    @andrewandrei3062 3 дні тому

    WRENGUISTICSSSSSSSS

  • @ryannamecat
    @ryannamecat 3 дні тому

    Fuzzy man talking about languages?? Sign me up

  • @Df_not_a_Tank
    @Df_not_a_Tank 3 дні тому

    :3

  • @ethantucker92838
    @ethantucker92838 3 дні тому

    Woaw your non biney? That is so cool

  • @polyrtm5545
    @polyrtm5545 3 дні тому

    literally been waiting for another wrenguistics video for so long

  • @SandColoredSky
    @SandColoredSky 3 дні тому

    Yes! The perfect excuse to talk about the stupid project I've been making for a while now, a conlang called Proto Anglo-Japonic (PAJ) that is meant to be the "reconstructed ancestor" of both English and Japanese. Anybody can see that name and 'namae' (名前). 'Suna'? (砂) Why, that's sand! And 'kataru' (語る) is clearly chatter. And most undeniably, the '-nai' (ない) ending is cognate with no! It's actually a really fun to point out similarities and create bizarre sound laws. What's funny is that it's unironically more convincing than Altaic' despite being obviously more absurd! The main reason I'm able to do this is by having every PAJ phoneme correspond to multiple in the descendent language, and often nothing at all. Maybe if I was smarter I could find some roundabout way of making it all consistent, but whatever :P I'm proud of what I have so far. Here's a vocab list, including suffixes: (Don't ask what the apostrophes after plosives mean. I don't really know either.) atátakə - fight (EN attack: JP tatakau [戦う]) ad’e - at (EN at: JP de [で]) eni - in (EN in: JP ni [に]) elksur - medicine (EN elixir: JP kusuri [薬]) egə - subject marker (EN I, ego: JP ga [が]) irl color (JP iro [色]) irld' - literally "distinctive color", red (EN red) o - polite vocative particle (EN O as in "O king": o [お]) əswet - sweat (EN sweat: JP ase [汗]) manó - person, thing (EN man: JP mono [者, 物]) maštig’ - mistake (EN mistake, JP machigau [間違う]) mir - see (EN mirror, mirage: JP miru [見る]) namae - name (EN name, -onym: JP namae [名前]) naštúlg’ - being fond of (EN nostalgic: JP natsukashii [懐かしい]) nug’ - nude (EN naked: JP nugu [脱ぐ]) par - far [EN far: JP haruka [遥か]) pilat - flat [EN flat, plate: JP hiratai [平たい]) pone - bone [EN bone: JP hone [骨]) p'ansu - bounce (EN bounce: JP hazumu [弾む]) b’lead’ - blade, leaf (EN blade: JP ha [葉, 歯] Yeah, I know that phonologically evolution is ABSURD, but it's the same rules I'm following elswhere! d’o - door (EN door: JP to [戸]) d’yonpu - jump, fly (EN jump: JP tobu [飛ぶ]) ka - question marking particle (EN huh? JP ka [か]) kauntu - number (EN count: JP kazu [数, from Old Japanese (kantu)]) kabur - cover, wear (EN cover: JP kaburu [被る]) kaz - faint (EN hazy: JP kasuka [微か]) kalaw - empty (EN hollow: JP kara [空]) ke - hair (EN hair: JP ke [毛]) kiə - (JP ki [木]) koŋg’nae - consider, think (EN cognitive, know: JP kangaeru [考える]) kyatár - talk (EN chatter: JP [語る]) g’raš - grass (EN grass: JP kusa [草]) sid’ə - lower, sit (EN sit, set: JP shita [下]) so - like (EN so: JP sou [そう]) su - inhale (EN suck: JP suu [吸う]) snad’ - sand (EN sand: JP suna [砂]) šotə - outside (EN out: JP soto [外]) šupe - up (EN super, up: JP ue [上]) šəká - red (JP akai [赤い]) šəkáirld' (šəká + irld') - bright red (EN scarlet) šəkákiə (šəká + kiə) - red tree (EN acacia) štad’u - stand (EN stood:, state JP tatsu [立つ]) hourl - throw (EN hurl: JP houru [放る]) wa - individual, we (EN one, we: JP watashi, ware [私, 我]) -ed’a - past tense marker, dummy subject/copula (EN -ed, it: JP -ta, da [た, だ]) -eba - conditional suffix (EN if, ever: JP -eba [えば]) -ekə - adjective forming suffix (EN -ic: JP -ka [か as in kasuka 微か]) -ena - adjective forming suffix (EN -en, JP na, no [な, の]) -i - adjective forming suffix from nouns (EN -y: JP -i [い])

    • @JohnSmith-of2gu
      @JohnSmith-of2gu 2 дні тому

      This is brilliantly cursed. I am really curious what series of sound changes you dreamed up to get both the Japanese and English modern words from those proto-words like b’lead’.

    • @SandColoredSky
      @SandColoredSky 2 дні тому

      @@JohnSmith-of2gu Oh god that one... welp, here goes. b' and d' become and p and t, just because. The l is lost in a consonant cluster multisyllabic word. (Again, most of these rules are yet to be set in stone.) This leaves peat. Final t is always lost, ea simplifies to a, and p becomes h like it did in Old Japanese, leaving ha.

    • @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit
      @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit 2 дні тому

      But how does Basque fit into this?

    • @SandColoredSky
      @SandColoredSky 2 дні тому

      It’s common ancestor is one level up, in a sister branch with PAJ that also includes Khoi-San, (specifically) British English, and the Antarctic languages.

    • @wrenisprobablyb0red
      @wrenisprobablyb0red 2 дні тому

      This is fucking gold. I love this. You win a Wrenny. Which is like an Emmy but Wren

  • @A_doe_wasting_her_life
    @A_doe_wasting_her_life 3 дні тому

    I doubt it was meant but Ilike how you audio overlaps or takes too long to cue in between scenes. Worth the year :)

  • @kornsuwin
    @kornsuwin 3 дні тому

    holy hell

  • @leocomerford
    @leocomerford 3 дні тому

    1:17 _Deaf Nicaraguans have entered the chat_

  • @sorenstaecker-cd3mn
    @sorenstaecker-cd3mn 3 дні тому

    so how much linguistic melding was achieved via the finno-korean hyperwar?

    • @unquietthoughts
      @unquietthoughts 2 дні тому

      THE SUMERS WERE DERIVED FROM THE SUMIRI TRIBE OF THE GREAT HWAN EMPIRE!! KOREA IS THE CRADLE OF ALL CIVILIZATIONS!! /j, obviously

    • @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit
      @Idkpleasejustletmechangeit 2 дні тому

      Actually not much. It merely caused the existence of Icelandic (it's a fusion of alternate universe Basque and Proto-Karen).

  • @kendawg_mcawesome
    @kendawg_mcawesome 3 дні тому

    Anglo-Academia always tryna keep the Altaic man down!

  • @CyborgRowlet
    @CyborgRowlet 3 дні тому

    I see a new avatar

  • @morenosandiego
    @morenosandiego 3 дні тому

    Wait has it been a million years?

  • @GeraldRichardImranAbbas
    @GeraldRichardImranAbbas 3 дні тому

    I always goon 24/7 breaks are for altaics

  • @smuecke
    @smuecke 3 дні тому

    Why does your character look so weird in this video

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 3 дні тому

      average linguistics channels

  • @alexandros04
    @alexandros04 3 дні тому

    Anti-Nostratic heads will never understand that all man is brother. In all seriousness, the machinations of these are so insane but I really like the Nostratic family as a batshit insane theory. One particular figure I know of who was early to the foundation of the Nostratic School was Illich-Svitych. He was a Ukrainian Linguistic during the Soviet era who did a lot of major work with the study of Balto-Slavic developments. But his major passion project was Nostratic and he was in the processing of writing a major dictionary of proto-Nostratic before he died in a car accident just outside Moscow. I like to think as a joke that he was on the verge of proving it. Regardless, there is a version of said dictionary online but it’s in Russian.

  • @atahantopuzoglu6846
    @atahantopuzoglu6846 3 дні тому

    I really wanna a lot more video of yours

  • @Jolenn
    @Jolenn 3 дні тому

    Yoo, new video! I find the Altaic hypothesis quite interesting but, as you said, it's a shame the Altaicists are so defensive trying to "protect" it instead of doing/applying a more linguistic method (that could reveal something solid). I definitely should take a more deep look at it, though. Anyway, good vid! Continue with the great work :D

  • @TsarofWumpica
    @TsarofWumpica 3 дні тому

    LingoLizard sent me here 🫡