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Why do you think she gets the rabbit?

Sameeee

Yeah That’s a great idea

In my story, I try to give "screen time" to all the characters I made into heroes - Marinette, Adrien, Chloé, Zoé, Nino, Alya, Luka, and Kagami.

I admit that my argument for her being a mary sue wasn't very strong and that's coz the entire video was supposed to dissect that but halfway through I decided I just wanted to talk about her character. I already know where I stand on that argument coz I've watched quite a few video essays that have proved their claims with receipts. I have also watched the video you recommended and it just solidifies my initial view of Marinette. She is a mary sue. Not because she's overpowered(I mention that a good chunk of my fav characters are op), not because she's a female character (I am someone who will go above and beyond to defend female character but I will still call out bad writing), but coz certain show writers will go above and beyond to ensure Marinette is seen as the best (class rep, loved by everyone except villains, strongest powers even tho ladybug and cat miraculous are supposed to be equal, implied to have nothing to learn from Su Han in being a guardian even tho he's been in that game longer, etc) regardless of whether they have to retcon info (her backstory that was included after the writers received backlash for portraying her as a stalker and etc), strip characters of their character arcs and personalities (adrien, kagami, chloe) or tell us she's just so great that she can make magical charms because the power was always within her. I think it's also ironic that the top comment on that video has quite a few people who are claiming that she is a mary sue after watching the video. Idc if you like her, you can do that, and you can also believe what you want to believe about her characterization, but I do think she's a mary sue and that video and the comments reinforce my belief.

I'm not sure we'll have the same top comment tho coz of algorithm and stuff so ignore that last part if you don't see the comment

@@thexreaderspeaks I hope my comments aren't terribly antagonistic. I just... feel like there's an imbalance when it comes to discussion about Miraculous. Especially when it feels less like judging the series for what it is and more so for what it isn't yet never claimed to be.

@@matt0044 Oh they're not. I made this channel to have such discussions so it's ayt. And ya, I agree that most people can be biased against Miraculous but I think it's because the writers have lost our trust and constantly spit in our faces (especially when a certain head writer goes as far as trying to gaslight chloe fans coz the wanted a redemption arc, he's rude to people who have a differing opinion about the direction the show should take, and there are constant nonsensical retcons). The miraculous writers constantly fail their audience and I think that's why said audience is so critical of it. The magic system and premise is really good (The characters are also really lovable in szn one and two) and make the show have so much potential to be someday in the same league as Avatar the last airbender so I think seeing the writers constantly fumble that bag is what makes people frustrated because they see what it could have been.

@@thexreaderspeaks First: I don't like the "next Avatar" comment because it feels like there's this standard Miraculous never set out to meet. Have they really failed us or are we not willing to meet them in the middle? Second: Chloe’s Failed Redemption Arc works and is something we don’t get very often. Now… I get why some might’ve felt cheated out of a redemption arc they were getting into around Season 2. There is a compelling story about “the worst” given a chance to actually reflect upon herself and become better despite how low she could go. However, I can’t hate how her corruption arc turned out because of how well it was handled. Sometimes, a slowburn reformation can make for an interesting story but something that’s equally valuable can be how not everyone sticks the landing. Be it circumstances or their own undoing, some people will turn back around and decide that bettering themselves isn’t worth it. Like it or not, Season 2′s finale showed her willing to be a team player yet still be a bit of a glory hog vs-a-vie insisting on her hero name above all else. While a small gag, her forgetting the magic words shows that she’s not exactly has been working on her better nature. Come Season 3, we get moments from various episodes where she insists to Ladybug on getting in on the action. They’re small moments that can be viewed mostly in any order starting with “Bakerix” having her ask Chat if Queen Bee could get in on this. With my order on Netflix, “Miracular” showed her already breaking out the Bee Signal when new reporters mentioned Carapace and Rena Rogue. Though Ladybug lays down how this was to be Queen Bee’s last hurrah, we end on Chloe refusing to accept it. Her exact words being, “I will always be Queen Bee.” After this we get Stormy Weather 2 and StarTrain where she’s hoping to wear down Ladybug. Even with the Horse Miraculous, she was turned down when trying to put her hero on the spot around others. Thus Heart Hunter is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. This wasn’t out of nowhere nor an arbitrary decision from the writers just because. She had a good heart, yes, but her self-centered nature tipped the scales when Hawk Moth offered her not just her Miraculous but EVERY Miraculous in the box.

I think I mention this in one of my videos but I initially really liked how they were both important in season one because I think the way they parallel each other was really nice. My frustration is that the writer's butchered her character and pushed adrien into the sidelines for what they think is feminism. So I have to disagree that Marinette is a great protagonist for Miraculous. Her writing in season one and two was strong but it's just gone downhill from there. She could have been a great protagonist, but the writers blatant favoritism and refusal to let her face consequences for her mistakes, acknowledge them, and learn from them really screws over her character. That is why I cannot put her in the same category as great protagonists. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion tho and thx for watching.

@@thexreaderspeaks The increased importance of Ladybug is kind of the point of the escalation battle against Hawk Moth. Especially in Season 4 where a very intentional subplot is Chat Noir feels alienated due to Ladybug's being mad Guardian on top of the new heroes she adds to their ranks. At first, she only had one hero as a partner. Blunt force to compliment her more strategic mind. It's Season 4's finale where she loses everything that it clicks for Adrien. This isn't the time to act like he's the only one with problems especially when confidentiality is essential against an empath of an enemy. In fact, this is why he gives Plagg the ring and allows him to go to Ladybug for her confrontation with Monarch. He's in no condition to properly wield the power of Destruction and has to put the greater good first. I feel this slow burn approach works for Adrien, especially since Lila as the new Moth Holder will have Gabriel being Monarch is her back pocket to use against Ladybug. I just feel you leave out a bit of context.

@@matt0044 you can't convince me that the writers had to write it that way because the miraculous movie written by Jeremy Zag allowed both heroes to be present for the fight and it was infinitely better even though it was rushed. One of the head writers of the series has made it clear that he wants Mari to be more loved, so he does whatever he can to make sure that happens and her character suffers as a result. You don't have to see it that way tho. Maybe we just see things differently and that's ok. I think most fans including me feel cheated out of an emotional payoff (when it comes to the ending) that was promised to us. This is mostly because Adrien finding out that his father is the terrorist would have been such a powerful moment. It won't hit the same when he does find out in the series that his dad was monarch coz he can't even confront him about it. So in the end the certain writer's favoritism of Mari negatively impacts the story.

@@thexreaderspeaks I mean... the movie is the movie and the show is the show. The movie spedrun Gabriel's time as a villain where he akumatizes himself for the final boss after a timeline shorter than Season 1. By comparison, the show took a different direction and for the best since the movie just being the show but shorter would've been boring. In retrospect, it’s pretty clear why Adrien wasn’t there to learn Monarch was his father in The Final Day. I was weirded out by that myself buuuuuuut my thoughts came to realize how it worked. Namely because “Chat Blanc” and “Ephemeral” each explained why. His intense emotions over seeing his mother and learning his father became a villain in order to save her would be too good of an opportunity to akumatize him against Ladybug. Thus Adrien benching himself is essentially the reason why Marinette was able to knock the Moth Miraculous off Gabriel and talk him down. However… this only means that there’s an extra layer of despair painted upon what would’ve been Adrien’s angst over his father’s dark secret. Clearly, his father’s “sacrifice” is what keeps him going in believing his final moments were heroic. So what happens when Adrien learns that not only was his father trying to bring back Emilie and became a villain to do so but that he also went out after causing Operation: Alliance to start with. No way to confront his father about this reveal and even Nathalie would be hard pressed for a straight answer. Hell, I can imagine him crossing the line and forcing Plagg to spill the beans at his direct command. He and Marinette have been good in never, if ever, enforcing rules upon Tikki or Plagg so… woo. And with Lila likely possessing this information be it from what Hoaxer got out of Nathalie or Nooroo, something tells me that we’re in for something far, FAR worse than Chat Blanc if that’s even feasibly possible. Perhaps only that the Lucky Charm can’t easily undo. Aaaaaaaaaand that’s why there was more of a benefit to keep Adrien to the side for Season 5’s finale. If you can’t feel the storm that’s slowly brewing, better get an umbrella now.

@@matt0044 I mean, I guess it could lead to a big blowup and maybe an even better emotional payoff if the writers stick to it (Tho given their track record I don't have much trust in them to write sth good). However, I still think the ending is just bad writing. Let me know how they build off of it tho(if you want to of course) coz I rage quit the show years ago.

The worst is that she lied about his father… I never dated someone but who would want to be with someone lying to you all the time especially when it’s about you’re father ?

Umm she’s not that bad no offense, but you do have a good point

Thank you! I was starting to think my video ended up on the wrong side of youtube

You just made me rewatch the episode and the only time she panics is when Alya jokingly suggests that Adrien would do to Marinette the same thing Chloe did to Kim but thank you because I noticed 2 more problems. 1. Marinette is all smiles around Kim (the way she acts around him makes them seem like friends, even) and even looks into the box that he is holding which in my opinion she should have hesitated to do because of her "trauma". Some would say they made up and Kim apologized but Kim didn't seem to feel remorse for what he did when he was retelling the story in derision so I don't think he apologized or even saw it as wrong. 2. It's weird that Alya never makes an out off pocket comment saying that Kim is getting karma or it's ironic that he's getting humiliated by Chloe like he humiliated Marinette. I would assume Alya would know about the prank since they're best friends 3. She also doesn't know everything about Adrien at this point because she's really only known him for a few days (I assume) so why would she risk telling him her feelings? It's ok if you like Marinette but don't defend the writers for their mediocre writing.

1. I've seen her hit cat noir with her yoyo quite a few times but yes, glaciator is excusable coz cat noir was harassing her 2. It doesn't matter whether they revealed their identity willingly or not because that doesn't change the fact that their identity is known. There are no ifs and buts in the rule that has been reiterated by ladybug more than once. In Kagami's case, ladybug went against the rule for selfish reasons: to get her away from Adrien. So ya, hypocritical. 3. If a bad behavior is almost never corrected (until the writers get backlash for it) then it shows that teaching children to not do that wasn't the intention. Thomas doesn't think her stalking is bad btw. They almost never show her facing consequences for her stalking and realizing that its a problem due to the consequences. As a matter of fact, as of season 5 finale, she gets the guy. So most kids prolly won't see much of a problem with her behavior 4. The writers making that episode after Marinette was losing popularity and they were getting backlash for her writing suggests that they were trying to justify her actions 5. I was mostly talking about Su Han tbh but ig your right tho they rarely ever call her out. 6. Sorry I don't understand your sentence 7. Yeah the powers come from the miraculous but who made it that way? My video is critiquing the writers who wrote Marinette just as much as it's critiquing Marinette. 8. Yeah I think I mention Volpina being one of the only times she faces consequences and that was season one. I'm pretty sure I also praise the character writing in szn 1 and 2. She barely ever faces consequences to that degree until Felix steals all the miraculous. And no, the consequences I want her to face are not people screaming at her (I don't know where you got that), I want her neglect of chat noir to cause him to leave, her stalking tendencies to have people call her out and Adrien to avoid her coz he's creeped out, her hypocrisy to cause characters who are presented as good people to no longer like her (creates more nuance than if an already bad character starts hating her) things like those that make sense narratively. I don't want her to suffer for the sake of suffering, I want her consequences to be a direct result of sth wrong she did that makes sense narratively. 9. Adrien as Adrien constantly complains about not feeling free and he even tries to suggest to Kagami when they were a thing that the persona he presents to the world is what his father wants him to be but not who he really is (when Kagami tells him to stop being silly) so I don't agree that that's also his real self. As someone with strict parents I understand how you can hide all the parts that make you who you really are but hate every part of that fake persona. while Mari does try to know him better, you can't tell me that she isn't in love with an idealized version of him (that's what most crushes, unless the person is your friend, usually cause) 10. I still think they could have tried harder with her new fit because may I repeat, she is an aspiring fashion designer and shorts and tights are just not stylish (coming from someone who used to think they were the epitome of fashion) It looks cute but it doesn't tell us anything about her character. 11. Don't quote me on it but it's widespread speculation and Mari's father is literally called Tom and Thomas even has another self insert in the show so I don't think it's really far fetched that Mari is allegedly his imaginary daughter with his ex.

My favorite Marinette defender is here

Uhm hi?

My bad. Halfway through the video I decided I didn't really want to try and determine whether she is a mary sue and I just wanted to talk about her character and that's what I did but I kept the original title. The is marinette a mary sue section is really the only one that is in line with the argument and I didn't give it a good conclusion. I'll just change the title. And you don't have to make a video to convince me she's not a mary sue, I've already watched a bunch of videos that analyze her character and give good evidence to support the claim that she is a mary sue. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion and can still make a response video if you want. Let me know if you do, I would love to hear the points that argue against this claim.

She is my favourite character

@@IshikaGiri-vs5qkmine too

Guys the show isn’t cannon to miraculous the movie clearly is

Way better!

FRR Sofia at least makes mistakes and She faces the consequences of her actions and at least she is not a creepy Stalker

that's interesting

The dictionary description of mary sue: a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses. Ladybug literally unlocks the secret to giving special powers to miraculous holders and creating magical charms because she believes in herself. Everybody loves her and the ones that don't are villains. She barely ever faces consequences even though she messes up so many times. She is the only one able to handle a ton of miraculouses at once and she is really powerful as ladybug despite the fact that the cat and ladybug miraculous are supposed to be equal in power. Look if you want to like the show I'm not going to stop you but I respectfully disagree. Marinette is a mary sue.

She gets them from the miraculous and once she loses them she is done for and not facing Conseqences does not make you a Mary sue Chloè,Lila and Tomoe faces little to no conseqences for their actions and they clearly aren't Mary sues and Marinette does face conseqences just not the ones you want her to face whenever she "stalks" Adrien because it's creepy she doesn't reach her goal it's only when she's herself then she is getting closer to him and Alya even calls her out on it and she stops with it Gabriel also managed to that she only managed to be weakened by mutiplying herself so only one individual of her was using 2 at a time

@@Owell_Owl Chloe, Lila, and Tomoe are villains, they are not the main character. It doesn't hurt the story that much if villains or side characters are overpowered and they barely face consequences (Apart from being a bit unsatisfying ) but it does if the main character is like that. Also, that's not true, everyone hates Chloe, she left Paris, her mom and dad don't love her, she doesn't get to be a miraculous holder anymore, and she's replaced by her half sister. Lila will get defeated eventually and I honestly don't know about Tomoe because I rage quit the show. No hard feelings tho, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

She "stalks" Adrien to show children what not to do in life

@@Owell_Owl 🤣🤣that's the thing. I don't wanna talk about her being Mary sue because nowadays, people just start calling almost anyone(ok not just anyone but still) a mary sue, so forget that. But the problem is they advertise it as a "kids show", make Marinette do weird things like stalking(and many other), and she doesn't face any consequences for those things. So basically, a "kids show" is actively encouraging that stalking your crush is a good thing and there is nothing wrong in doing those things. You said "She stalks Adrien to show children what not to do in life", but the show never depicts stalking as bad, so how are kids supposed to know that stalking is actually bad and people face consequences for it, when they are watching a superhero show where the MC actively stalks and no one criticizes her but some even encourage her. S show is showing "She stalks Adrien to show children what to do in life with their crush or whatever".

Avatar the last airbender is also a kids show and the main character is faced with the genocide of his people (I think that's a bit darker than emotional abuse) and Zuko is physically abused by his father. The early seasons of winx club and my little pony also tackle some pretty mature themes and it works. I would actually argue that it's really important to teach children about abuse because it helps them identify when someone, including their parent, is doing it to them which will in turn help them know not to normalize that toxic behavior but to know that it is wrong. Aang makes everyday mistakes and he's even younger than Adrien is supposed to be but he is still the mc. So does Twighlight sparkle. I agree that it does take more than an interesting backstory but Adrien does do different things, he also has a double life just like Marinnette. They could make him the lead without rewriting him, it worked in season 2 when he had more of a focus. It's just that the writers have an agenda against him but tbh what I would really like is if they were genuinely equally important. Both should be main characters because both could be quite interesting if the writers wrote them better.

Writing for children rules change all the time so something like smoking for example would not be ok to show now but and not every episode can be like Gorizilla or Simon says theres a video and yeah Adrien is definitely the less Better written and the one that gets less development than Marinette who is still well written as a whloe despite her bad writing moments Heres a a fully detailed Video on why Miraculous is the way it is apart from bad writing m.ua-cam.com/video/SvLsc1g8mHM/v-deo.html

@@Owell_Owl I mean yes but the only reason the standard of writing has changed is because Hollywood thinks that just because sth is written for children it can be written in the dumbest way possible but kids deserve well-thought-out writing too. Also, Marinette is not well written, they failed her too, she could have been but they messed that up.

@@Owell_Owl I don't think the writer's have any excuse for not writing miraculous in a better way. Because the movie was also for kids, but it was written well despite a few issues and it didn't let terrorists like Gabriel get away with their crimes.

first epsode of season 1

@@AbigailArmstrong-t5l No he used it in episode stormy weather

@@cenk.3467 stormy weather is the first episode, the pilot

@@floqzzz Origins Part 1 is the first episode.

@cenk.3467 It's Stormy Weather-, In chronological order, the first episode is Origins, but the actual first episode is Stormy Weather because is the pilot.

Ya, the fans not dropping the show makes no sense, I dropped it after I watched the first episode of szn 4

FRRR Ngl I feel like he is more important than Marinette

Agreed 100%

Ditto!

How is it toxic?? 😂

​@@salty_fishy9387yeahhh, I also think that sentence is a bit confusing

I am sorry, but the girl literally broke into Adrien’s house three times, stalked him, followed him to Shanghai, knows his schedule for the next 3 years, stole his phone, plucked a strand of his hair, almost kissed him as a wax statue (despite not knowing at first, still creepy), sniffed his pillow, hated Kagami when Adrien went out with her, keeps him in the dark, and lied to his face about Gabriel being a hero. The only thing missing at this point is her becoming a control freak. If, you like Marinette that is fine, I just feel bad for Adrien, he deserves better imao.☺️

I am talking about his relationship with Mari, not him as a character.👍

​@n.abookgirl2457 oooh you meant that his relationship with marionette is toxic. I agree, I just didn't get what u meant

Ya because they've butchered Marinette's character too tbh so making them equally important would prolly be the best writing decision. I also think making them equal would make their parallels (like how being a hero has taken away Marinette's freedom while giving Adrien freedom) more obvious. That was how it was in season 2 and I really liked that.

Me too he barely made ANY in S5!

It's stupid and feels like a copout by the writers.

​@@UnholyGrave834 fr

I never like it,at first when it was a theory was fine but make it canon absolutely not!

I've watched videos about it but I'll get round to actually watching it one of these days.

@@thexreaderspeaks whole heartedly recommend it. It's really good. The miraculous i've been asking for Since 2017

Ya if Amber could do it, so can Chloe. And I will talk about Marinette, I have a lot to say about her.

I didn't even know that they gave Felix of all people a redemption. I agree, the could have written her regression better if that's the path they wanted her to take.

@@thexreaderspeaks Yeah. Instead they just repeated "look how mean she is"! And her siding with Lila? Lila proved her before that she was a manipulator! Why would she trust her? Insurance maybe? Ok but the goal of it begin her becoming a mayor is all kinds of stupid. She's 16 teen. Where they're trying to make a Gideon from Gravity falls? It would maybe work if she would be a top mayor and betrailed Lila, and not side with Monarch. Still a bad plot twist.

@rosa_floera Also, they technically redeemed Sabrina. Remember, she did horrible things to Marinette as well, and is just as bad as Chloe and even worse at times, but she gets away scot-free all because she couldn't take the pressure. [Making it worse, the S5 finale she got a miraculous. Same with Kim, you know the guy who apparently gave her trauma]. ☠️

Thank you and sorry about that. I added captions and I'll be recording my next video using a mic so hopefully that will help. And you're so right, ML creators really are super hypocritical its frustating

@@UnholyGrave834 I'm convinced they pulled that trauma backstory for Marinette out of their posteriors (coz I can't use certain words) tbh. Their character writing is so bad it's laughable. I wouldn't be surprised if hypocrisy is their favorite pastime

I bet he had very little to do with season two's writing and that's another reason why it was good. And ya, it makes no sense how adults can commit crimes and still get redemptions but Chloe can't. You're right, his reasoning is so circular.

@thexreaderspeaks Thomas didn't work on S2. See Thomas went on vacation to write S3-S5 and left the other writers to work on S2.

Exactly. Great points. I think Marinette's character is butchered from the start when they made her a stalker... wtf. She's probably one of my most disliked characters, very unsufferable and abuses her power for selfish reasons. Disgusts me and reeks of written by incel... Haha. I mean, that reflects the creators' view I guess. Because every time they get backlash, the show creators just double down and act in the most unprofessional and petty way ever.... no matter if the person on the other side is a kid or if they were polite and constructive. They need to stop using social media so much. I must also add by Thomas telling fans that Alya's friendship to Marinette didn't really matter because ML's focus was on the romance explained another reason ML sucks, every man is for themselves, and that actually ruins the love square romance than making it succeed...

@@rosafloera You know what bugs me about Thomas..? When someone presents criticisms [valid/non-valid], Thomas ALWAYS had this standoffish behaviour, especially when you criticism/question his writing decision. I remember the man-child made a comment about him having the best animators and being better than Disney/Pixar, and someone polite called him out, Thomas decided to be offended and blocked her. With the progress of Miraculous, I've always noticed this weird favouritism and flanderization for Marinette's character. Despite being one of the two main leads, Marinette's presence can be exhaustion, especially with the known fact she's a part of EVERY PLOTLINE, especially in plots where she doesn't need to be present at all. Honestly, I'll just stick to the MLB comics and fanfics because they did a way better job of giving the characters and story more depth than the actual series. Hell, I've even decided, just for funsies to write my own version of Miraculous and, according to the folks who read and messaged me about the few episodes that I've published, is better than Miraculous. The only way for Miraculous to redeem itself is a revamping reboot and getting Thomas away from the scripts.

She's in all the stories because she's the main character this isn't an esemble cast if you don't like a show with one lead that sounds like a this show isn't for you problem

Adrien… He is also destroyed by Thomas

Kagami and Luka. They had potential, and were even smart comparing to others, but they were debuffed in order to not take the spotlight from Mari+Adrian dynamic.

the guardian su-han, i mean i though he could teach the main characters a developed and a true trust, but no they decide to throw that.

Mari

Can you make one about alya?

Yeah her actions make sense because of her background but the problem starts when she has no problem stepping on others or hurting others to elevate or protect herself i.e the servant whose tongue she cut off just to ensure her lies didn't get exposed.

I'll check it out, thanks for telling me :)

I didn't mean for it to come off as me supporting royalty and the rich but I think it's just human decency to not go around touching people without their consent (I did make this when I was 15 and mad at Rashta tho so I'm sorry it sounded that way) I agree that Rashta is really complex but I believe that although she started out as a victim, currently in the webtoon, she is very much an abuser.

and yeah, the webtoon should have probably had navier address and even try to fix the slavery problem

@@thexreaderspeaks oh you don't have to worry Abt that comment I understand from Your pov how her behavior was too strong. Anyways for navier tbh I feel like the reason why a lot of ppl call her a Mary sue or in general a bland character is the fact that the author didn't give her a flaw ( this is very common in webtoons because they try to make a gilrboss character) we can say her lack of showing emotions is a flaw...but is it really? All the characters stand out better because of their flaws from the trash emperor to rashta to even the ml ( forgot his name 😭 ), except for navier, she's written to be smart, nice, and elegant. That of course if you if you ignore the fact that she turns a blind eye to the slavery and only help the peasents when it helps her or for a cause she care Abt ( like the wizard girl who lose her magic ) but the author ignores these stuff in general. I feel like making navier make mistakes for example allowing the slavery to continue only for there to be actual consequences ( for example maybe the slave start to run away and make a rebellion but I feel like the author wouldn't do this cause clearly this gonna make the fans hate navier, so I think make the rebellion happen in another country who had sever problems with slaves, or make her get to know a slave and see their pov, being that in politics a lot of ppl at that times owned sex slaves that they bought with them to most hangouts, or something like that ) so that in the end navier will have to choose between allowing slavery to continue or let the economy fail and make the aristocrats and the Nobels hate her cause she ruined their easy money and also the peasents disliking her cause now the economy is falling, this will lead to the consequences of her getting hated by ppl and also questioning if she was a good option for a queen and even could be used as " oh well she might be a spy from her previous empire who came here to ruin this one so that the other empire can colonize us " showing how propaganda works, and then to really show how smart she is make her actually have a plan on how to get the economy back and this will lead her to make connections with the brains of the empire and the revolutionaries making her have stinger allied and helpers for the future of the empire and also show her that peasents deserve the right to free education and not the just the gifted wizards . In that way you show how navier was at first a woman who was blinded by her priveliage, as she sat comfortably on top of her throne with a crown on her heard while forgetting where the fabrics of her throne came from and how the Jewels from her crown were bathed in the blood of the slaves in the mines. And also by using rashta as a good divider to showcase the difference in the worlds of the rich and the poor. For example how both navier and rashta face mysoginny but the way rashta faced it was more extreme then navier ( if I will to give a modern example of this think Abt how white women in America suffered under the patrachial system and how women of color suffered in the same system, they both dealt with mysoginny but woc dealt with it in a more violent raw way). But of course that's a wishful thinking cause again this is webtoon 🤦, and also the author clearly didn't make much thoughts in character building like how they threw that slavery is very rampant but didn't do anything Abt that fact, not even Abt fixing it but the author never bought it up outside of the context of rashta and some other two slaves but we don't see much from them. And even when it comes to the imperialism nd propaganda and public views and religion role in politics, they were all done badly. I understand that this is a Romance story not a political one ( even tho there's a lot of politics) but it's such bad story telling Surprisingly I don't think the ending was bad but not in the way the author intended, in the end FL and ml go live their life when rashta dies in prison and trash emperor doesn't lose much, I feel like that's pretty realistic with the way society there works. Trash emperor survives and lives on cause he's priveliaged for the fact that he's a man and a Nobel. and the slave born get fucked over and dies in a lonely and sad way. Idk pretty realistic for that era I think in the end what ruined this comic for me was that I just got more mature for the shitty writing ( seriously when there's so much you can do with characters like rashta and navier and ml, seriously rashta omfg so many opportunities lost on making on of the greatest stories in webtoons) and also the very very shitty fandom who doesn't have much brain cells and also surprisingly mysoginistic ( not in the traditional way but like a more discreet way ) and very annoying but that's like for majority webtoons even in good comics like AISHA ( I recommend this so hard you have no idea, it very good at depicting issues such as hypersexuality, classism, mysoginny, trauma....ect, you can easily understand the pov of most of the characters and it's not even halfway done, plus it's very original with the plot and the art is very good ) they exist

HELL NAW im not reading all of that lol

@@possum3933 AH HELLL NOOOO ANOTHER ONE

I guess. Thx tho, and stop stalking me

Ig she is cute

she is an awful person