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Absolutely. But competition is not combat either : it has rules to avoid killing or hurting the opponent. I think you do not learn combat practicing any kind of "true combat". Or you would be wounded or die, before achieving anything. From my understanding, by totally forbidding competition in aikido, we try to avoid biasis you get with gestures well suited for competition and unappliable (or even totally dumb) in a real combat (e.g. the judokas lying on their belly as soon as something going wrong to avoid loosing). As I feel it, this also gives us the opportunity to learn how much more efficient and flawless we are when keeping relaxed and flowing while defending ourselves. Which is something a lot of other martial arts also try to teach. However, I do agree we also lack something about learning to apply our techniques even when the opponent tries to apply his own at the same time. I think this why most aikido master do need practice at least one other martial art as a complement. This helps to avoid derivating into something non-martial.

Aikido only have demonstrations because in a real situation the opponent will get hurt. Why don't you try to attack an aikido master to see if works. I sincerely recommend you don't do it.

Well. I practice aikido (clearly not a master though :p). And to my point of view, this is not a good way to say it : this is the case for any master of any martial art. In a real situation, if someone attacks them blindfully, he will end up getting hurt. People do not get hurt too often in competition, only because competition is not a real situation either: it always has "forbidden techniques", body parts you should not aim and so on. Actually, one of the good point with aikido, it is that you learn how to avoid hurting your opponent, if he is enough weaker than you. The aim is to making him understand that it is better to make peace, not to win over him. If levels match, and you did not manage to make peace, then someone will get hurt, and we cannot know in advance which one, it will be. This is the main point of any philosophy about combat (starting from Sun Tsu), that any martial art to learn to his student. As I see it, this thing about forbidding competition is mostly about avoiding that anyone get too much overconfident and do not give peace the most chances he can. Also, it helps making people learning all the techniques (there are actually quite few in aikido), and trying to master them all, rather than over-training some special technique meant to bring victory in competition. Aikido has a small set of techniques, which all are variation on the same principles (self-preservation, not opposing to the partner's strength, putting the partner out of balance, getting the correct distances, keeping relaxed and flowing, keeping body in a consistent posture, etc.). Learning the techniques as whole is necessary to integrate more profoundly these principles and to learn how to apply them in any situation. Competition would prevent this because those principles are not meant to make you win a combat. Only to avoid loosing it. The main diffrence is that both "opponents" can do it at the same time.

And actually, I think a lot of aikido masters despise demonstrations. They do it because they must, so that people know Aikido. And because demonstration made by non-masters would not be convincing for masters of other martial arts. But, you do not get reknowned as a master in aikido by making nice demonstrations. You do by becoming a great teacher and having a lot of people wanting to learn from you.

> Aikido is an INTELLIGENT, top of the food chain discipline. Aikido id pseudo-intelligent (wannabe-intelligent), but impractical “discipline”. > Using one's attacker's momentum and already expended energy against the attacker. Sounds so simple and effective in your fantasies. > No discipline will be prevalent in a real fight. This is just delusion. In fact, almost any contact discipline, like rugby or hockey, is more useful in brawling, than aikido. > But someone who is practiced in Akido will be able to have a huge advantage. Looks like average aikidoka already has huge disadvantage - by imagining he has some advantage. > whenever that attacker exposes themselves What if this is not gonna happen? Say, the opponent just stands in ordinary boxing stance. Not falling forward or grabbing your wrist with relaxed hand.

My goodness. I had Aikido as a student in University...30+ years ago. I also trained in TaeKwondo to become an instructor. Aikido is bodylanguage one can jump into during any altercation. You obviously do not understand Aikido at all, sweetie. It is a 'lifestyle' not fancy techniques to fight! But pretty handy when one is in the moment, seeing, reacting to flash slides/pictures. Those reactions trained in Aikido are perfect for fighting, dance hell, surviving. You don't understand how it helps one think and react. It won't be pretty but whatever comes at you will make sense. Why are you so down on Aikido? Aikido is the height of mind-body training. Not the techniques but the whole Megillah to belong in one's body and be able to use it well. Starting with situational awareness, not fearing getting hit or falling. I completely disagree with you. Brawling. How primitive, grins!

> Why are you so down on Aikido? Just practicing scepticism and rationality... > Those reactions trained in Aikido are perfect for fighting ...And consider spreading false believes about aikido effectiveness to be dangerous. > Aikido is bodylanguage one can jump into during any altercation... It is a 'lifestyle' not fancy techniques to fight!.. Aikido is the height of mind-body training. Not the techniques but the whole Megillah to belong in one's body and be able to use it well. That's why people refer to aikido with generic term “bullshido”. > You don't understand how it helps one think and react. You're right; and unlike the case of aikido, it's quite easy to understand how specific training in boxing and Muay Thai indeed does help to “react”. > Brawling. How primitive, grins! Alas; life _is_ that primitive. Punches and wrestling, you know. No room for bullshido, no evidence it is relevant in fighting.

Sure...you know you are talking to the BIGGEST skeptic...We all have a foundation of knowledge with which to compare new ideas. To have to throw out everything just because it is new is a waste. If our foundation has been tested and maintained on a regular basis, new ideas can easily be rated for possible or probable or yeahright. I've actually taken an entire semester of Aikido and wish I hadn't been such an immature fool. I had the most amazing (11th degree black belt) sensai. He couldn't speak a word of English. His 3 year old daughter black belt btw helped the assistants to translate. She, the little shit, taught me the best lesson in humility. You aren't interested in learning. You already know it all. I am not learning anything from you at all. You aren't even trying. Bye sweetie

Looks like you haven't read the whole message you're responding on. There is “Expand” link below. > To have to throw out everything just because it is new is a waste. Not because it is new. Because it has no evidence of any usefulness. There are a lot of “new” fancy-shmancy “fighting systems”, far more than one has years of his lifetime. No chance to try them all. > His 3 year old daughter black belt... the best lesson in humility. Awarding black belts to 3yo children, and humility in one sentence? :) It's profanation of martial arts. As well as 42nd degree of black belt in non-competitive martial art. > You aren't interested in learning. Quite the contrary, I'm interested in wide range of areas, so need to chose wisely how to spend my time. > I am not learning anything from you at all. You aren't even trying. :) Actually, I'm learning right now, right at this moment. I've even learned some new words from you. (English is not my native language, need more practicing).

It's far better to spar in non-traumatic way with protection equipment (like in sport martial arts), than have no confrontation experience at all (like in «theoretically lethal» «martial arts»).

If by practicing you mean imitating slow-zombie attacks, providing your relaxed arms for wrist-locks - you are right.

the amount of force you have to apply is very small, no matter of the other's dude size. im not trying to defend aikido...it's just true

Dangerous misconception. Please stop propagating it, people may form wrong belief. Consider social responsibility.

Never said it's the best self-defence style, it is indeed more of an art form, but you can take parts from it and use them, like different grips,aproaches and movement

Almost every parts of it (except finger locks) are in fact _legal_ in MMA. But fighters don't use them, because these “grips, approaches and movement” didn't pass “natural selection”. They just are not applicable in practice, on full speed. They are good only in demos, against non-motivated, non-aggressive weak and slow zombie-attacker.

go try some dance in a dojo a hole

You should choose sport combat not martial art, martial art is for artist.Aikido is dancing?lol.

Voromahery Vatolahy There's nothing martial about this.

May you have to learn what does mean martial before commenting.Again whatch sport fighting if you want fight, here is martial art.Far forward punch and kick.

Voromahery Vatolahy "Martial arts. noun. various sports, which originated chiefly in Japan, Korea, and China as forms of self-defence or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo" Literally the definition from Google. If your martial art is useless for self-defense, it isn't martial.

Again, it will be appreciate for all martial art around the world that people like learn more before saying anything.Aikido is useless for self-defense?OK.Good night and take your rest, you need that.Keep searching what is Aikido and where is it come from, you will probably meet JJ and JJB, Judo, somewhere in your rsearch if your are smart enough.

You are probably blinded.Sorry for you.There is to many people who watch but can't see and to many ear but no listen to.

+HaxellMence Search for Allan Ruddock Aikido and you will change your opinion and mind Otherwise ask people like terry wingrove and they will you the truth friendly

Alkololer 1V I'd much rather hear your own counter-arguments to my original comment. I've watched a couple of VHS footage. I still stand by what i've said.

I think this is good for people who learn aikido to go try some other martial arts at some point, and eventually try competition. Actually, I think nearly all the aikidokas higher than 4th or 5th dan did try something else (most often for years, up to black belt at least). As you say, this is good food for their aikido. But an aikido competition : Never :). It would not anymore be aikido. You have to be conscient what competition does to other martial arts. How much it makes it hard to understand their initial philosophy and disrupts the message that their Grand Master wanted to give to humanity. I really think It is really good that there is at least one martial art in the world to keep its philosophy unaltered, with a deep consciousness of what is violence and how important it is to achieve peace. Actually, I think at some point every martial artist come to understand the philosophy of his art, which is always more or less the same. The only thing is : aikido is for people who seek philosophy and get to understand about martiallity in their path. While most other martial arts are meant for people who seek martiallity and get to learn about philosophy in their path. So both are good, but not for the same people, and/or not at the same point of their own life.

To say it differently, I think anyone wanting to become a great warrior and dedicating his life to it get to understand at some point that it has no meaning if it is not for peace keeping. And anyone trying to become a peace keeper and dedicating his life to it will discover that, for this, he needs to learn to be a warrior. But there needs to be something for both of them to accompany them on their own path.

Rolex Denn are you meaning to say you've never seen someone preform metacarpal joint locks or use a clothesline on somebody before because those are Aikido techniques and I will explain to you the mechanics of every single Aikido move which means you can use them practically but simpler ok fist if someone is grabbing you in the wrist you can A strike repeatedly or B you can turn your wrist to the side bend your knees, pivot your feet pull your arm whilst stepping behind attacker pull arm down twist your wrist and charging forward. now this pivotal motion is known as tai sabaki look it up. next if you are grabbed anywhere else tai sabaki applies but also the joint lock of metacarpal applies as well. tai sabaki gives you power and it gets you out of the way. find more videos keep looking thats my advice I gave you the mechanics Aikido isn't bullshit

So true.....that commentator is an idiot. He knows nothing about Aikido or Stephen Segal

uhhh *steven* segal not stephen

Are you crazy?

Yea, what about police officers, you cannot box someone but cannot also allow themselves to go into a grapple match. You don't think they would take the time to master these techniques?

zeogiannes Exactly. As I had stated in a previous post, I took my first Aiki class last night. After a personal demonstration, while talking with the Sensai, I noticed I had pain in certain places on my body. It was amazing. I too, honestly, had a certain amount of skepticism when I went. But a smile of relief came when I was wrapped up, helpless, off balance, on the very edge of bone breaking pain. My new Sensai refers to our style as a "science" not an "art".

Head Hunter Science, an apt definition. Unless you have actually experienced the pain from having your bones twisted over and against each other, words simply cannot convey how emptied of strength and helpless you really become. Ouch!

+acquiesce100 So look again at tissiers concentration(zanshin) discipline accuracy of his techniques and how hes moving then we can talk again

+Sage Gannon Stupid Idiot..

First you need to realize that this is essentially a weapons based system, the strikes represent angles that a weapon would come at you on a battlefield type situation with real intent. the grabs represent an attacker that is either trying to control you or stop you from drawing a weapon. There are plenty ways to adapt aikido to modern brawling type fights that you would see on the street, but that's not the way it was traditionally, and this being a demonstration, it's going to look very traditional.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken the combat style of aikido usually centered around fighting an opponent in full armor, thus making most types of blows completely ineffective. This limits your options a lot, forcing you to rely on the opponents only remaining weak points, being the joints and momentum. Hard to cause any damage unarmed any other way really if your opponent is encased in steel.

Aikido, at it's base, is an art that is meant to be practiced between two people in a safe and controlled environment. O-Sensei, the founder of the art, combined many different jitsu styles together into an empty-handed sword art. He is quoted as saying that Aikido, in combat, is 90% atemi (hand strikes). Aikido, fundamentally, is deadly. We practice Aikido lightly because we understand that if we do not, all of us will go home with broken arms, broken legs, wrists, etc. We practice receiving, blending, neutralizing with each other in order to receive deadly attacks and practice redirecting them. Do not make the mistake of seeing this art in action and assuming it is pacifistic. O-sensei has killed many, many men and distilled his art down to the science of harmony and self-protection. Like Gandhi after him, he understood that violence begets violence, to keep you and your opponent safe in a fight is the height of skill and maintains harmony. You are an idiot if you think that any sane martial artist would stay and fight if he had an opportunity to get away. Aikido allows you, when backed up against the wall, to neutralize and eliminate people with minimum harm to yourself and them. Sometimes, some people do not understand this and the intention behind the art. So, if you don't understand, you have two options: try to understand, or leave it alone along with the judgmental comments. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about until you've experienced Aikido and trained in the art. It is deeper than any shallow surface examination can reach.

Jeff Macleod Well said. I have thus given my own testimony as well above.

Because I've seen real fights and I've been in fights and I've sparred. Nobody comes at you like shown in the Aikodo demos. Hands offered stretched forward and low. In real life, people react and counter, move back and forth. Try catching someones hand coming at you at 25mph the kilos of force would rip your thumb off.

Because it isn't what it says on the tin. Most people go to MA and pay their money for self-defense purposes. Showing them what you can do in a choreographed environment rather than what you need to do in a street fight is dangerous. Also I've never seen aikido in an non choreographed fight. At the end of the day everyone either ends up boxing or grappling. I imagine you can use aikido on an unsuspecting trouble maker who is not a street fighter but has ego problems and won't let it go. I did Kung Fu which had a lot of sequences to learn but we got our real training from sparring and which was somewhat realistic but again, it distilled down to mostly boxing with a few kicks and some useful blocks.

***** If aikido is truly useless then why are tokyo riot police trained in yoshikan aikido? Why? Because aikido is a system of locking, restraining, unbalancing and defending against one or multiple attackers. If police want to stop rioters with maximum force, they can use water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets or even live ammunition. However, to develop the skills for stopping rioters with minimum casualty and maximum respect for human life, they choose to send their elite to learn Aikido.

Eric Bushnell Maybe because you can use this style on rioters because they are typically not hardened street fighters. Often they are disgruntled geeky students or office workers or factory workers with families at home.

chinacane Make no mistake... I've been involved with martial arts for more than 15 years... I started with a combat sport, Taekwondo, and I've been involved in aikido for the last 7 years... the way I see it is that people look for fast results... aikido can't give you that... it has one of the longest and hardest leaning curves in any martial art. But make no mistake, the form is important to gain muscle memory, that's what make the difference when it has to be preformed instantly, but when you're pro efficient, it's a completely different matter... when you see shomenuchi the same techniques can be preformed against a strait punch, like a tsuki or a jab, as well as a strait kick, like a maigueri. on the other hand, when you see a yokomenuchi, the same technique can be used against a round house kick or punch, as well as a crossed punch or hook. People usually attack aikido because they can't see pass the technique used on a learning basis... this is answered to you, since you didn't strike me as a troll... usually, I don't respond to trolls, so, if you're skepticism is fundamented, I'll be happy to continue a healthy discussion, but I've been wrong before. Take care.

rik ellis has never used a single aikido tech in any of his fights ,his claims are a joke,he looks like every other mma figher,a bad one at that.