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Kitchenaid vs. Maxima MSM 8 - making Pizza dough
I made this video because my friends asked me why I bought a professional dough kneading machine when I have such a "great" Kitchenaid.
The Kitchenaid is totally overstrained with heavy yeast dough.
Apart from the fact, that after a few minutes it smells terribly like an overheated machine and gets brutally warm, the dough turns around the mixing hook completely unimpressed. This is no way to make a good pizza dough.
Take a look at the difference yourself, after that there are no more questions.
I was not paid for this video (unfortunately). :-)
Maxima MSM 8:
www.maximakitchenequipment.com/de/maxima-teig-spiral-kneter-msm-5.html
The Kitchenaid is totally overstrained with heavy yeast dough.
Apart from the fact, that after a few minutes it smells terribly like an overheated machine and gets brutally warm, the dough turns around the mixing hook completely unimpressed. This is no way to make a good pizza dough.
Take a look at the difference yourself, after that there are no more questions.
I was not paid for this video (unfortunately). :-)
Maxima MSM 8:
www.maximakitchenequipment.com/de/maxima-teig-spiral-kneter-msm-5.html
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Unrealistic, since MSM 8 is designed for 3 kg of flour and KA for 1 kg of flour. Repeat the test with 333 grams of flour in the KA, then both machines are loaded to 1/3 of their capacity.
Please use a more stable table.
There is a procedure for yeast dough in the KA manual, you should read it. But even then, the outcome is not perfect, of course. I worked with the KA, but I got a used one for 100€. I'd never buy one for 500€. Because for dough kneading that's rubbish. You can use it to mix the dough. Then for example fold by hand. Ah and thank you for the video !
Ha.. many times it be given my KA the finger.. bread machine works better
Salve, potrebbe dirmi se il gelato prodotto è 750g? Grazie 😊 vorrei acquistare una gelatiera Musso, e sono indecisa tra il modello illustrato Mini e quello più grande Stella
KA mixer is in NO WAY designed to mix pizza dough. simply, it is NOT a "dough machine." i even bought a really good stainless dough hook off amazon for my KA, but it still only gets the dough about 80% there before the dough starts to overheat. so... i forked out the $500 for the vevor spiral dough mixer, which is the same mixer as the MSM... identical in every way and made in the same factory. yep, the MSM / Vevor gets.it.done. !!! my pizza dough is definitely pro-level now and i didn't have to buy an $1850 famag 8. i have perfect gluten structure development. best $500 i ever spent. cleaning the MSM / Vevor is actually not that much of a pain. just buy it if you're serious about your pizza dough. that, and make sure to use caputo red flour. cheers!
The Kitchenaid is a planetary mixer. Homegrade. The Maxima is a Spiral mixer. Chinese knock off of an Italian commercial grade mixer. The *Famga IM-8.* 8 for 8 kg dough capacity. Planetary mixers are primarily designed for whipping up cream, mixing cookie dough and cake batter ect. Maybe small batch of bread or pizza dough. Spiral mixes are designed for mixing bread and or pizza dough only including high hydration doughs. You won't find a Spiral mixer in a cake factory or cake store. Likewise you won't find a planetary mixer in a Pizzeria or bread bakery. They are two different types of mixers that compliment each other. Not meant to compete against each other. Let alone compare a knock off of an Italian commercial mixer to a homegrade mixer designed for women to bake cookies, muffins and cakes.
Kitchen aid is a children toy.
It's not a toy. The Kitchenaid is a planetary mixer. Homegrade. The Maxima is a Spiral mixer. Chinese knock off of an Italian commercial grade mixer. The *Famga IM-8.* 8 for 8 litre dough capacity. Planetary mixers are primarily designed for whipping up cream, mixing cookie dough and cake batter ect. Maybe small batch of bread or pizza dough. Spiral mixes are designed for mixing bread and or pizza dough only including high hydration doughs. You won't find a Spiral mixer in a cake factory or cake store. Likewise you won't find a planetary mixer in a Pizzeria or bread bakery. They are two different types of mixers that compliment each other. Not meant to compete against each other. Let alone compare a knock off of an Italian commercial mixer to a homegrade mixer designed for women to bake cookies, muffins and cakes.
Planetary are OK for American baking, like making cookies and sponge/cup cakes. But limited to make gluten requiring doughs. Just don't get an Ankarsrum, it's even worse for bread making.
I always hear that you should either buy the Ankarsrum Assistent or the Bosch Universal for consumer/hobby bread making. What's your opinion on the Bosch? Keep in mind, most consumers aren't going to be interested in spending $600 on a commercial dough mixer that does one thing, is at least 2x the size, and weighs over 80lbs (37kg).
Can I get some to buy
I think you destroyed the gluten in the bigger mixer.
BS
Regarding kitchen aide there is written literature about speed and maximum flour. Watching I think you have overtaxed the machine so that is not a fair comparison.
Spiral mixers are definitely the better design for mixing dough compared to Planetary mixers. Planetary mixers are better for cakes and lighter mixtures.
Spiral mixer is European design and have different wheat flour than us
@uberdash007 The OP is correct. The Kitchenaid is a planetary mixer. Homegrade. The Maxima is a Spiral mixer. Chinese knock off of an Italian commercial grade mixer. The *Famga IM-8.* 8 for 8 kg dough capacity. Planetary mixers are primarily designed for whipping up cream, mixing cookie dough and cake batter ect. Maybe small batch of bread or pizza dough. Spiral mixes are designed for mixing bread and or pizza dough only including high hydration doughs. You won't find a Spiral mixer in a cake factory or cake store. Likewise you won't find a planetary mixer in a Pizzeria or bread bakery. They are two different types of mixers that compliment each other. Not meant to compete against each other. Let alone compare a knock off of an Italian commercial mixer to a homegrade mixer designed for women to bake cookies, muffins and cakes.
@@edstar83 That's what I said in my reply.
I believe there is a valid point being made with this Video. The right mixer will do the job right.
It was made to do one job, it better do it right.
Was the home use c hook max load mixer supposed to stand up to the commercial heavier load spiral mixer? What a stupid comparison.
price is the key here. for less money you'd get a nicer dough mix!
It was a comparison to illustrate the differences. Spiral has its place as does a Planetary mixer. Why are you getting so upset, you need to chill a little.
@@figjam5181😂😂😂😂😂😂that’s always ya’ll go to. Why you so upset😂😂😂😂imagine being upset over a UA-cam video about a mixer. Seems you’re far more upset about my comment t than anything…..
@@JeffKidman Most consumers aren't going to be interested in spending $600 on a commercial dough mixer that does one thing, is at least 2x the size, and weighs over 80lbs (37kg). Also, that tiny kitchenaid is cheaper than the commercial dough mixer.
Thanks, this was nice to see in action
Thank you for posting this video.
The KA is a light to medium weight home multifunctional appliance compared to a very light commercial unit specifically meant for one thing. They are both good when used as designed.
Is Kitchenaid a North Korean brand?
Lol, what? I don't get the joke. xD
That kitchenaid needs a spiral hook for a fair comparison. But, obviously, the dough mixer is better overall. Also, the Maxima site has it on sale for 750, and that KA is 300 on sale right now. 1250 and 400 not on sale.
Could those prices be related to import taxes? because on their official website here its for sale at €480 while the kitchenaid is at €370 during this weeks black friday sales, and €500 throughout the year.
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KA are shite in every aspect not just dough work, over hyped, I went through 8 replacement cogs before selling on. I guess they come in fancy colours though 😂
Exactly me too
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Were the cogs of the KA now in plastic like it's reported?
American junk like everything they make.
The Kitchenaid is a planetary mixer. Homegrade. The Maxima is a Spiral mixer. Chinese knock off of an Italian commercial grade mixer. The *Famga IM-8.* 8 for 8 kg dough capacity. Planetary mixers are primarily designed for whipping up cream, mixing cookie dough and cake batter ect. Maybe small batch of bread or pizza dough. Spiral mixes are designed for mixing bread and or pizza dough only including high hydration doughs. You won't find a Spiral mixer in a cake factory or cake store. Likewise you won't find a planetary mixer in a Pizzeria or bread bakery. They are two different types of mixers that compliment each other. Not meant to compete against each other. Let alone compare a knock off of an Italian commercial mixer to a homegrade mixer designed for women to bake cookies, muffins and cakes.
This was very instructive. Thank you.
can the Maxima make whipped cream topping? shred cheese? grate cheese? grind meat? crush tomatoes? stuff sausages? make ice cream? spiral slice vegetables? I have a Kitchen Aid 7qt Pro model and I make a lot of pizza and bread with it for our family. The Kitchen Aid Artisan model is the smallest of their lineup at just 4.5 pts. It is more suitable for making cakes and cookies. Just stepping up to the 5qt Pro line is a big difference. what a stupid comparison
Jeez maybe that why he has pizza dough in the title? because its not an overall comparison. And it is specifically directed at people that want to use these machines for heavy doughs...
@michaelprozonic you seem triggered
C’mon, this is ridiculous.
BS review.. Like comparing a Corvette to a PT loser. (cruiser)
There is a better hook for kitchenaid !
You should read the load limits of the Kitchenaid. This is a poor comparison.
Have you ever tried mixing meat for sausages in this mixer? I would be very interested if it works. Thx
Change the hook for a spiral one and it will work much better
This is exactly the way my kitchen aid preforms with any amount of dough over 500 grams, it’s not really intended for this kind of abuse, just ordered my Famag 8 ss - can’t wait for it to arrive !
How does the Famag work? Are you happy with it?
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Now do 3 egg whites whisking in the Maxima. That would be an equally pointless comparison to match this one
Great suggestions
Didn't autolyse Didn't work up through the speeds on kitchenaid Far exceeded maximum dough quantity for kitchenaid Compared a domestic mixer to a commercial one without using the domestic one properly or adjusting dough quantity for bowl capacity Stupid and pointless video
What is the minimum fluor for maxima msm 8 to work properly? Thanks.
800 kg
This is a good video. The kitchen-ade makes ok dough where a commercial mixer makes great dough. My kitchen-ade is on its last legs and as I mix a lot of dough I might go commercial rather than a more powerful kitchen-aid.
sorry but instructions with kitchenaid also state that you should not go over soeed 2 with that kind of dough. It looks too fast in the video. Also maybe get the heavy duty one, no problem at all
That´s an absolutely uselss video. Kitchenaid is not for commercial use.
600g is not commercial
It’s not for pizza dough**. Kitchen aids can be great for other applications involving pastry
@adrianocachoeira3823 The Kitchenaid is a planetary mixer. Homegrade. The Maxima is a Spiral mixer. Chinese knock off of an Italian commercial grade mixer. The *Famga IM-8.* 8 for 8 kg dough capacity. Planetary mixers are primarily designed for whipping up cream, mixing cookie dough and cake batter ect. Maybe small batch of bread or pizza dough. Spiral mixes are designed for mixing bread and or pizza dough only including high hydration doughs. You won't find a Spiral mixer in a cake factory or cake store. Likewise you won't find a planetary mixer in a Pizzeria or bread bakery. They are two different types of mixers that compliment each other. Not meant to compete against each other. Let alone compare a knock off of an Italian commercial mixer to a homegrade mixer designed for women to bake cookies, muffins and cakes.
I totally agree. Maxima is way better. To be honest though it does require a minimum of 1.5kg dough at a time. For an avid home baker that's not an issue. It is bigger and probably not as good looking which might have storage implications. The last thing I'd like to add that there are spiral stainless steel (third party) dough hooks for kitchen aid that do change the game a lot. I bought one for my kitchen aid and it does help, it's a serious upgrade. It won't cause kitchen aid to beat maxima but I can mill grain and squeeze fruit with my kitchen aid :). So nothing is black and white in life :) Thanks for the video I liked this comparison a lot. People seem to misunderstand why this video was created :)
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Gut das meine Frau Küchenmaschinen hasst aber mein Brot liebt 😝 Ich verbacke jeden Sonntag etwa 2,3 kg Roggenteig und da war dieses Video schon recht hilfreich
Mini golf vs golf. That's a funny comparison. However if you've got the space then always buy the commercial product that's similar or close to the price of a smaller dough mixer. Most people don't have large space so choose the smaller dough mixer. Keep in mind the smaller dough mixer has a much smaller dry flour limit compared to the larger commercial unit so you can't have the same large volume in the smaller mixer.
A completely unfair and unreasonable comparison between a home grade mixer and a much more powerful commercial mixer. If you are going to do a comparison video then do yourself a favour and compare apples with apples
I find it a good comparison for another reason actually. There are so many home chef pizza dough videos on youtube, that use a Kitchen Aid to make pizza doug. It's good to know how bad it is for a mixer like the Kitchen Aid. And, the Kitchen Aid is more expensive than this commercial mixer.
@@markdejonge3890 you're totally right. I thought the same. Unluckily I already bought a Kenwood to make the pizza dough, you always have to put the dough back in place. That's better than doing the whole job by hand, but still annoying.
@@michivothmv We just bought a Kenwood too (although secondhand) because we make a lot of bread. I was trying to decide if we go a small commercial machine or the Kenwood. My mother recommended the Kenwood and if we need more, then upgrade later when we are certain we need to. We bought the Major Titanium with the 6.7 liter bowl so I hope we don't have the same issues as the dough hook is bigger than on the regular Major and Chef models.
G'day Pete, I think this comparison is actually excellent. It shows what can be had at the same price point and how they compare with a batch size that wouldn't be unusual for a medium to large family. I tried to find a similar comparison between a Kenwood and commercial mixer and couldn't find one. I would have loved it if someone did a comparison as I likely would have bought the commercial system instead of the Kenwood we now have.
The Kitchenaid is a planetary mixer. Homegrade. The Maxima is a Spiral mixer. Chinese knock off of an Italian commercial grade mixer. The *Famga IM-8.* 8 for 8 kg dough capacity. Planetary mixers are primarily designed for whipping up cream, mixing cookie dough and cake batter ect. Maybe small batch of bread or pizza dough. Spiral mixes are designed for mixing bread and or pizza dough only including high hydration doughs. You won't find a Spiral mixer in a cake factory or cake store. Likewise you won't find a planetary mixer in a Pizzeria or bread bakery. They are two different types of mixers that compliment each other. Not meant to compete against each other. Let alone compare a knock off of an Italian commercial mixer to a homegrade mixer designed for women to bake cookies, muffins and cakes. Ps. I have the Kenwood Major Titanium 6.7l 1500watt also. I love it. But also want to get a Spiral mixer for mixing large quantities of bread and pizza dough. Don't like overloading the Kenwood.
vevor products are amazing!
Kitchen aid= müll
I have the maxima MSM 8 too, and it's great for the dough. My kitchenaid now just serve me to make cream or creme patissière or eggs white etc etc. By the way, the unique thing i'm a litle sad about the maxima is the cleaning we can't up the spiral part.
Is Maxima an Italian brand ?
For the spiral mixer is that 20 quarts???
It looks like an 8 quarts
@@waheboudoumi4145 the maxima msm8 is an abbreviation for maxima spiral mixer 8 liter so yea approximately 8 quarts:)
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Backe auch selber oft Brot.Das mit dem Karusellfahren trift es bei meiner Maschine leider auch.Das ist zwar gerührt, aber nicht geknetet.Ich bin genau jetzt am schauen, was ich kaufen soll.Gehe auch Richtung Spiralkneter, da ich damit nur Brotteig machen will.
Genau so sieht es aus…hab mir jetzt auch einen Kneter gegönnt