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@srenhansen535 Hej Søren. Ja, det må du gerne, men vi forventer faktisk, at folk deltager i debatten på CycleChat også, da det er der, vi deler information om løb, aflysninger osv. Hvis du savner nogen at køre med/mod, er der jo også den danske BKOOL Liga, hvor de kører løb tirsdag, torsdag og søndag. Vi er desværre sjældent så mange i CycleChat løbene, da folk efterhånden har spredt sig til forskellige platforme.

@halwye Remember this is an age-group race, so you will race against people of all abilities from A to D CAT (if we use the Zwift categorization). People age 19-39 are also allowed, which is not veteran in my book either! However, I don't think MyWhoosh offers any checks for that when you setup or enter a race?

@@sbrusgaard I was only teasing about you pootling while I race. MW have me down as a young 50 year old. I wish. There's been plenty of age-cat racing on Zwift and IndieVelo. The Masters SA one is my regular.

Incidentally, there there's no checking for age on Z. So plenty of interlopers gate crash my age-cat. Have to watch out, as all too easy to find oneself chasing someone far younger, so pushing HR to the top of the red zone.

@@halwye Not really pootling, as I am coming out of an injury since late November, so more a question of me running out of steam later in the races. Most of the pain is now gone but form/stamina has come down quite significantly too! I still don't sprint or push myself on mountains, as not to risk anything. I am turning 52 this year. 🙂

@@halwye Yes, I don't think Zwift has this age check either, but at least they have their A-D categories which works OK in normal races.

Kører rundt med en skade, så det var ren damage control. 🙂

The problem was finding races with REAL people and not only/mostly bots. Tune-up Tuesday and the Sunday Race Club were AFAIK the only ones. The SRC however had/have so many rules (because of real money prizes), and I didn't want to bother with weekly weigh-in videos etc. I wouldn't win any races anyway, and you had to do the first 5 races with the A-class riders, which for me would mean around 250 km of more or less ITT. 😞 There should be more races and community/social rides now, as MyWhoosh have made it a requirement for the teams doing the SRC, that they also organise other stuff on the platform. I think you have to start the app to see which races/social rides are upcomming or check out the Events page at mywhoosh.com. www.mywhoosh.com/events/ I have only ever done the TUTs and quit the one SRC I tried about halfway. 🙂

MyWhoosh temporarily removed the background sounds. I would rather that I could mute others, like the guy coughing etc. in this video.

@Welther74 Ikke meget nej, kun lidt vindstøj ved overhaling og den irriterende pling, når folk joiner/forlader sessionen. Jeg hører som regel musik ved siden af, så jeg er i princippet lidt ligegad med lyde i BKOOL (og Zwift). Husk at ovenstående med kombineret 3D og video kun findes på ganske få af ruterne, resten er bare middelmådig 3D grafik og ditto video! Som adspredelse for Zwift m.m. fungerer det dog udemærket. Ligefrem erstatte Zwift kan det ikke i min optik, da der bare er SÅ mange flere ryttere og events på Zwift. Samtidig er der slet ikke samme kontrol med udstyr som på Zwift, så man ser nogle raketter på alle mulige mærkelige/ukendte trainerne, og det ødelægger races lidt.

Hi Bernd. Which race did you start in, as I don't see you in the results? Maybe you didn't finish or use a different name?? All normal races can be joined beforehand from the Zwift Companion app or the ZwiftPower page. When the races start soon, you can join them from within Zwift itself as well.

@@sbrusgaard in this race where I wrote DBR Spring League I finished 8th B.Haubi my start name

@@berndhauberger8725 ​ OK, so different surname and I thought you were German, sorry. 😂You just enter the races like normal, and the race will count in the league rankings, which you can access from the results list on ZwiftPower. In this series all races count, but in others only some, allowing you to have a bad day or not racing a stage or two.

@jw2par Everyone is free to join the races/rides. On Zwift you (as a beginner) is free to join at any level, but once you have done some races and your performance level is known, you better join races at your own level (D->A). Until recently you could join races at any level, which meant that some better riders would join the beginners race to have an easy victory, which ruined the race for the beginners. These “sandbaggers” would then be disqualified later, but still…. BKOOL’s software does not support enforcing riders to join at a specific level, so everyone is in the same race. BKOOL’s platform also have way less riders, so dividing them into different races (like on Zwift) would result in races with VERY FEW riders, which would probably be boring and feel more like a solo ride than a race.

Most likely not. :-) Sometimes (rarely) the ANT+signal from the HRM is unstable, resulting in wrong readings or droputs.

… in this case I suspect the HRM looses contact with my skin as I stand up on the climbs. If you watch some of the other videos, I hope it reads more like normal….

@Maximiliano I don't think there is a way to find the best (looking) courses. You can watch a preview of most video courses, and if that seems low quality, choose another. Unlike this one, most videos are user uploads, and the quality ranges from OK to very bad. BKOOL only allow uploads of 720p video, and have (had?) a max file size of 2.5 GB, which means poor quality for longer rides/videos. This video was specifically prepared/recorded for the Giro Virtual by BKOOL themselves, and probably uploaded in a much better quality than their usual videos. You had to pay extra to ride these rides, and to my understanding, they will not be made available outside the Giro Virtual, which has now ended...

@@sbrusgaard so the videos created by BKOOL are the best quality?

@@maximiliano1761 well, in general most videos created/uploaded by BKOOL themselves are better than average, but some user ones are great too. However I must admit that I rarely use video. For racing I find 3D better.

Different than Zwift and RGT! I think the draft is a bit exaggerated, as it is almost impossible to catch a group - even harder than in Zwift. I think RGT may have the most realistic draft/group dynamics.

There is a few ambient sounds, but I have my BT speakers playing loud music anyway. :-)

I strongly disagree. I thought the graphics were disappointing, like something out of a 20-year-old video game 😞, IMO Rouvy is much better. I can only think that we perhaps we are looking at different things? I don't join races with other people, so I'm watching the world go by; the scenery. Rouvy is almost photo-realistic and is a (over) processed version of actual real world video. This is uninspired, low res textures. It reminds me of Grand Prix Legends - and that was released in 1998 !!

It is the real speed. Unfortunately BKOOL will not bring this to normal routes. I suspect BKOOL have done these Giro routes by hand, where as the Rouvy AR ones works on all (?) routes. I have never used Rouvy myself, only watched a few videos, so I may be wrong. :-)

@@sbrusgaard well, maybe in time Bkool will do it. Technology makes dreams come true and makes things easier. If Rouvy did it, Bkool can do it too.

As I ride in my toolshed, I would need a green screen to hide the mess, and I don’t have room for that. Barely room for the trainer and my bikes as it is. :-)

@@sbrusgaard oké dan, succes nog!

@@r0ebiess Thanks!

Yes GTX1060/6GB at 1440p.

Det er en video fra 2017 - Dengang var der vist ikke 2 grupper, og desuden kørte de fleste på BKOOL-trainere, som nok var liiiige rigeligt gavmilde med watt og dermed fart.

Unfortunately no. I play music on my BT speaker when riding, as playing music on the computer gets recorded too and the video will get flagged for copyrighted material.

@@sbrusgaard makes sense yes. Thanks for the response 🤙

The app name is "BKOOL Cycling". However, these video/3D routes (AR) are not available for all the routes in the simulator, only a few select routes, all part of their Giro d'Italia event, for which you have to pay extra. Most of the other routes available are there as 3D only, video only - or even just a plain map view for really long routes (100km+).

I tried BKOOL on my Mac Mini M1, but it is limited to 30 FPS - just like Zwift is on Apple TV. Is it the same with Intel based MacBook (Pro)?

@@sbrusgaard don't know what was my MacBook Pro's FPS but it was very smooth, didn't noticed any issues. I ride alone so don't know how much is effect if there is more riders in a session.

@@lehtjug You can turn on statistics in the Settings. On the Mac it was locked at 30 FPS at all times, though I'm sure the GPU in the M1 is able to do better than that.

@@sbrusgaard I test that next time...if i remember. Next one is stage-2 what you are rode already, looks bit of brutal. It's not a long but it's steep.

@@sbrusgaard i ride with bkool today and intel based MacBook Pro have a same limited 30FPS.

AMD Ryzen 3 3300X CPU, 16 GB RAM, GTX 1060/6GB GPU. Running/recording at 1440p which is required for UA-cam to make the best quality video using the VP9 codec. If uploading at a lower resolution, YT uses the older AVC1 codec, and the quality of the final video is worse.

Since the latest 5.6x update, you can now keep pedaling, like in Zwift and RGT. Doing it the old way (spin down), you get left behind! :-)

Both platforms has advantages, which is why I use both. Bkool primary force is the many real world routes (and some with video too) but usually very few riders (if any) on any given route. But good for training a specific real world route, if going there IRL later. Videos are OK at best and made by the users. Zwift has limited 3D routes/worlds, and only 3 “active” worlds on any given day, meaning lots of other riders to ride with/against. Zwift also has 100s of daily events for you to do (races, workouts, social rides etc.), and none of the other platforms come even close to that. On Bkool however you can setup your own race at any time and race with some friends, where on Zwift it is a bit more cumbersome, as you have to use the meetup function and then use for instance Strava segments to see who won if a close race. Easier just to join one of the public races, which has results at the end of the race and later on ZwiftPower. :-) You should also try out RGT, which is free if you join some of the races posted on rgtdb.com. To upload your own routes and ride them, you have to be a subscriber though… Only 3D is available… Usually more riders than BKOOL, thanks to the limited routes and events. BigRing VR is another platform offering real world rides, usually with really nice HD video quality, but also limited routes… No 3D and no “real” racing.

@t2 Yes, many people find the slopes hard(er) on the NEO 2(T), especially when you go above 8% in BKOOL. I think it is related to your weight as well, so that a 75kg rider might not feel it harder than usual, but a 85kg+ (like me) will. But what do you compare it with, real life, an older trainer or something like Zwift? In Zwift, the slopes are halved by default, ie. 8% becomes 4%, meaning you can use a bigger gear on a 8% slope than on BKOOL. You still have to produce the same watts however, so see it as putting on a different cassette.

@@sbrusgaard yes i'm trying to make it look like reality

@@sbrusgaard So if I understood, seeing that I am 70 kg, I would have to lower my weight to 60 kg for it to be more real

@@user-un9wf9rq9z Most trainers simulate up to a certain inclination. The percentage usually refers to a 70-75 kg rider. The NEO2 offers resistance simulating a 25% climb for a 70-75 kg. rider. A heavier rider, say 90 kg, will maybe only get resistance simulating a 15-20% climb. All the various simulators (BKOOL, Zwift, RGT etc.) all have have their own algorithms to calculate speed, resistance etc. and all different brands and models of trainers act different. You will NEVER get it to match real life 100%, and as such I think you just have to live with the fact, that the NEO2(T) is just a bit harder than others in BKOOL. Set you weight to what it is in real life, otherwise you would be cheating if racing against others on the same trainer!

Hej Peter. Nej, man er nødt til på forhånd at have aftalt at køre et løb. CycleChat løbene køres f.eks. hver torsdag kl. 19 og lørdag kl. 18. Her er der så en der starter opvarmningen, og vi andre søger så ham frem inde i simulatoren og hopper med i hans løb. Det har man 10 minutter til, inden selve løbet starter (19.10 / 18.10). CycleChat ligaen bruger BKOOLs eget ligasystem. Så i princippet kan du køre ugens etape når som helst, og ligeså mange gange du måtte have lyst. Den bedste tid vil du dog nok få, hvis du deltager i liveløbene, da du her måske kan ligge på hjul i en gruppe, akkurat som ude på landevejen. Løbene er åbne for alle, men vi er typisk de samme 10-15 personer, der deltager. De er fra Sverige, Spanien, USA, Danmark, Island og så en håndfuld britter.

@@sbrusgaard Tak for hurtigt svar Steen. Jeg har lige bedt om at komme ind i CycleChat gruppen, da jeg godt kunne tænke mig at køre rigtig live-race. Er dog noget nervøs for at jeg ikke kan holde de watt som I træder, men nu giver vi det et skud :)

@@peterdavidsen3007 OK, så er det bare at afvente, at en af admins godkender dig. Så kommer månedens løb automatisk ind under "Leagues" nederst på forsiden i BKOOL Indoor Cycling app'en/programmet. Men hop på kl. 19 om torsdagen og/eller kl. 18 om lørdagen for live løb. Så kan du som regel søge på mit navn "Brusgaard" (eller bare "brus"). Husk at vælge personen og ikke "vejen" i søgefeltet! Edit: Du er kommet indenfor, kan jeg se. :-)

Yes of course. I did use an Elite Direto (original version) with BKOOL before changing to my current NEO2. Since the BKOOL update in fall 2019, it works quite nicely with the Direto(s). Before then it was really slow in getting up to speed, and you were more or less left at the start for many seconds while those on a Bkool Pro trainer took off immediately.

Steen Brusgaard ah great thanks for letting me know , I’m going to give a try tonight , just purchased the direto so hopefully all goes well

@@matthewhicklin1507 best pair it using ANT+ if possible, and keep the ANT+ antenna close to the trainer by using a USB-extension cable. I have not tried Bluetooth and have heard some people have mixed results with various trainers and Bkool Indoor simulator using Bluetooth on a PC.

Steen Brusgaard doesn’t the direto have the Ant+ built in

@@matthewhicklin1507 yes of course. But you need an ANT+ stick for the computer (if using a computer), and that stick DOES NOT come with the Direto. Most laptops have built-in Bluetooth, which is why people try that first.

Santiago Martinez BKOOL Indoor Simulator.

Joined the race as spectator, and then pressed "V" on the keyboard to change camera angle/view. You can do the same when riding yourself.

Yes of course, if you by elevation mean slope i.e. descent/ascent. That is what is shown bottom right. If not shown on your screen in BKOOL, press Arrow Up on your keyboard or swipe up if on a tablet or (Android) phone.

You can join any race you want on BKOOL, as long as they are not password protected.

@@sbrusgaard forced to play against real players ?

@@azac122 Okay, so you want to race against AI riders. :-) You can add bots of different abilities and race against (and draft) them. You can also add ghosts of riders who previously did the same route. However, these are not draftable (used to be) and their speed/finish time doesn't match the one seen when adding them. All in all pretty useless these days!

@@sbrusgaard that's it ! I want to race ia riders first to see my level and go against real one. Do you recommend me Zwift or Bkool ?

@@azac122 that's a tough question! I have used Bkool since late 2014, and it was the first simulator I used, so it will always have a special place in my heart! That said, I think I ride longer and more on Zwift these days. Bkool is great if you want to ride real routes (even your own!) and maybe with video. Racing on Bkool is harder, mostly because there's usually less riders in the races (less to draft). On BKool it is so easy to setup your own private races (like these CycleChat ones), where as you have to create "meet ups" on Zwift and rely on something like Strava to get the finish times. That said, Zwift is much more polished both in graphics and stability. Bkool usually starts to have problems with more than 100 riders in the same session, where as Zwift can handle multiple 1000s. Your computer may not however. :-) Both platforms offer some good stuff, so I choose both. Right now ("Corona-time") most platforms offer free trials, so try them out. Bkool is the Jack of all Trades (but Master of none), Zwift is good for social rides and races, but no "real" routes (a few replicas), no video, no ghosts and no bots. BigRing VR offers great video routes (mostly climbs though), Rouvy also video but with 3D avatar overlay and some sort of racing. RGT (Road Grand Tours) offers 3D replicas of real routes... The list goes on, and you'll find quite a few videos comparing them all here on YT. See this one from DC Rainmaker www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/03/cycling-indoor-trainer-app-guide.html

Yes, there is draft. In older versions of Bkool you could really feel the draft, as it dropped the resistance noticebly when in it. They have reintroduced it in a somewhat different form, but not really like Zwift. I liked the old way best, and the draft in Zwift feels somewhat exagerated at times. It is almost impossible in Zwift to catch a big drafting group or attack from it, as the group moves very quickly, despite producing lower watts.

@@sbrusgaard Yeah true, escapes in zwift are nearly impossible, especially with my low weight, some with big watts can still do it, but not many

Coldcustard As you know, the 3D graphics is based on GPS/FIT-file data, and if that is somehow broken/not accurate, the 3D will be too. I often experience bad height data when riding outside on a cloudy day, at least with my old Edge 705. Maybe that is what happened to this guy’s recording? Now, BKOOL could check with real map data and adjust to that, but I don’t think they do that.

Dennis Verdonck I have no problem, as I am now using a Tacx Neo2, My Bkool Pro however did NOT like the update and is currently almost useless in Bkool Simulator. Thumbs up to Bkool for making it more fair by using watts to calculate speed, like in Zwift. Thumbs down for making a lot of their own trainers unusable in their own simulator, even though it will hopefully be fixed very soon! Using the Neo I’m pretty sure the watts are OK, and comparable across platforms. On the Bkool Pro the watts were often way too high, as they used the speed of the roller to calculate the watts. Hard pumped tyre and lots of RPM, you could work up some crazy watts. :-)