Victoria In History
Victoria In History
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Burnley Group - 1859 - 1882 - Private Era & Early Government Ownership
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Sources
1857 Article - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7133967/194402
Yan Yean Tramway - lostmernda/posts/an-interesting-sketch-from-the-australasian-newspaper-dated-1897-that-appears-to/5259250990780229/
Sir Henry Barking - ehive.com/collections/6420/objects/1081225/his-excellency-sir-henry-barkly-kcb-1815-1898-governor-of-victoria
M&GRC Locomotive (note, this is not Hercules but her sister Oberion) - au.pinterest.com/pin/621074604839452912/
Stephensons 2-4-0 Locomotive (Victoria, Richmond and Hawthorn were of this class) - commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:South_Australian_Railways_A_class_locomotive_(R_Stephenson_%26_Co_builder%27s_photo)(BAA-08357).jpg
Victorian Railways Negatives - prov.vic.gov.au/archive/VPRS12800
Flinders Street Tramway - www.victorianrailways.net/vr%20map/mhb_prop_fss_sss_tramway.jpg
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Jones' 1898 Proposal - How Williamstown Nearly got Melbourne's first* Electric Tram
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Thanks for watching. Articles on the matter: trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/270799533 trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/270797627?searchTerm=Mr. A. W. Jones Cable Tram - commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Melbourne_cable_tram_1905.jpg Flinders Street - commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Old_Flinders_Street_Station.jpg C Class - railwayvideos.club/vr-c-class-tank-engine/ Cable Tram 2 - www.herald...
Overview of Victorian Railway Gauges
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Credit Description Cave Hill Tramways Image - nelliemelbamuseum.com.au/cave-hill-tramway-dame-nellie-melba-museum/ 1930 Victorian Railways Map - victoriancollections.net.au/items/501220d12162ef0d842f4f36 Sydney - Parramatta Train - livinghistories.newcastle.edu.au/nodes/view/4078 Francis Webb Shields - commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Francis_Webb_Sheilds_(lithograph).jpg Sydney Railway Construc...
Ballarat - Geelong Line
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Shorter video on the Ballarat - Geelong Line. Thanks for watching.
Williamstown Racecourse Line - 1859 - 1952
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Short video on the Williamstown Racecourse line. Most of the research for this video came from Leo J. Harrigan's "Victorian Railways to 62'" Thanks for watching!
Outer Circle Line - History and Future
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First Video on this channel, thanks for watching.

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @saspry
    @saspry 11 годин тому

    Fascinating stuff mate! I can only imagine the amount of research you are doing to create these videos... I'm attempting something "similar" with my current Transport Fever2 game series on early New Holland/Australia (hysterical) development where the research is mind boggling!!! :) Cheers, Stephen.

  • @badmoonrisin4700
    @badmoonrisin4700 11 годин тому

    So we had two stations called Church Street? That would have been confusing. Also, I never knew about Pic Nic Station in the Burnley Gardens. You learn something new every day. I see a rabbit hole coming! Keep up the good work!

  • @dmangsmile
    @dmangsmile 3 дні тому

    Good video mate. Just a note on some place name pronunciation. Cremorne is pronounced "Kre-mourne" . Kre (short e like in tech) and mourne (like mourning the dead 😂). Kew is pronounced line the letter Q.

  • @flygonbreloom
    @flygonbreloom 3 дні тому

    Hey! I've been enjoying these videos! They really touch on subjects that are surprisingly hard to find information on, too. I might suggest turning the gain down on the microphone a little. There are parts of the video where you're having the audio clip (?) quite badly, and render the actual audio pretty difficult to listen to at sections. Please keep the videos up, they're fantastic!

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory 3 дні тому

      Thanks, I've been playing around with my audio and its definitely gotten better since my first videos, ill definitely keep trying to make it more consistent. Thanks!

  • @jamesgovett3225
    @jamesgovett3225 3 дні тому

    Your wrong when at 15.00 you stated after this the line passed “UNDERNEATH” Whitehorse road before pulling into Deepdene station as in reality Whitehorse road would not be crossed until after “Leaving” Deepdene station and not only that but the line passed Whitehorse road at “Ground Level” over the Tram line to the Union road terminus at Surrey Hills, I really think accuracy should always be the utmost importance and there’s no excuse

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory 2 дні тому

      Thanks, you're completely right and i'm not sure where i got this mistake from.

  • @VFilm0002
    @VFilm0002 3 дні тому

    Another great video mate!

  • @kingavocado289
    @kingavocado289 9 днів тому

    face reveal when?

  • @icascone
    @icascone 20 днів тому

    I think you've made the life of many researching this topic very easy indeed! Thanks for video!

  • @jsa-z1722
    @jsa-z1722 22 дні тому

    As a Melbournian I found this super interesting.

  • @hypercomms2001
    @hypercomms2001 23 дні тому

    Well done mate!

  • @chad3021
    @chad3021 26 днів тому

    I knew there was a proposal about a tram getting built in Williamstown. Now I learn it. lol u should do the melb Suburban Railway network history

  • @chad3021
    @chad3021 26 днів тому

    Great video. You're like taitset, but very detail on the line/history/plan details. I hope to see the next fascinating video ❤

  • @andrewrussack8647
    @andrewrussack8647 27 днів тому

    Shields has a lot to answer for. And so does James Wallace!!

  • @VFilm0002
    @VFilm0002 Місяць тому

    Interesting video mate!

  • @Ok-cr8cb
    @Ok-cr8cb Місяць тому

    Amazing content you upload -- it's a blessing when I see your videos in my recommended. Thank you!

  • @NeilThompson-bo5cf
    @NeilThompson-bo5cf Місяць тому

    The Cohuna line started at Elmore, not Rochester as you said

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      Correct for the broad gauge line, however the original 1895 proposal for a Narrow Gauge line to the Legislative Assembly it specifies Rochester as the branch.

  • @johnledingham852
    @johnledingham852 Місяць тому

    John in Brisbane. Found your video interesting and educational. I've subscribed. I'm on board, toot-toot!

  • @Dave_Sisson
    @Dave_Sisson Місяць тому

    Overall great work and a very interesting video. But it's easy to tell you're from the city because you mispronounce almost as many country locations as you get right. But I have subscribed. 🙂

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      Yeah haha sorry about that, there's certainly some funny names out there. Thanks for the support!

  • @JordysRailVideos
    @JordysRailVideos Місяць тому

    Great video also Seymour Rail Heritage Centre has the former Spirit of Progress stock on Standard Gauge

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      Interesting, Thanks for letting me know!

    • @JordysRailVideos
      @JordysRailVideos Місяць тому

      @TransportHistoryMelbourn-bl3rq no worries, 4AS along with 1BS and 11BS were the first 3 carriages to be gauge converted and did a run back in early September 2018 with T357 and P22

  • @johncoyle777
    @johncoyle777 Місяць тому

    you ruin the video by saying 1940 or 1949, when you MEANT to say 1840 and 1849, for example!

    • @moistnugget1178
      @moistnugget1178 Місяць тому

      settle down there mate like to see you make a video like this and spend the time and patience creating it and then uploading it to see if people like it, you can be critical but don’t be so blunt about it

    • @johncoyle777
      @johncoyle777 Місяць тому

      @@moistnugget1178 I have, what the Americans call MISSPOKEN, in one of the videos that I posted on my UA-cam channel, but I try to think before I speak, on current videos. Dates are important, so saying 19xx instead of 18xx, is off-putting. May videos including yours are better made than mine, I freely admit. Editing before publishing is a good thing.

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      I respect the criticism, i generally do remove any stutter or misspeaking through the editing but i likely did miss something somewhere.

    • @johncoyle777
      @johncoyle777 Місяць тому

      @@VictoriainHistory Keep up the good work! We all make errors, and lean from them. We can leave it at that.

  • @matthewhaywood7411
    @matthewhaywood7411 Місяць тому

    I feel like reopening ballarat-bendigo would be a far more useful route, takes a couple of hours to drive, but 6 hours plus using public transport in its current form. This would significantly in my mind increase patronage also to and from echuca and district possibly even opening up a dialogue toward services to Deniliquin

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      I agree that the potential of a Bendigo - Ballarat line is significant, however it should be noted that the section from Maryborough - Castlemaine has been long closed with tracks ripped up, making restoration of services a far dream at best. Also the winding route would significantly impact the time, making competing with cars more difficult. That being said, an eventual extension of the Maryborough line to Castlemaine and onto Bendigo would definitely have a positive impact and definitely help the issues the Maryborough line currently faces.

  • @TheDemocrab
    @TheDemocrab 2 місяці тому

    It's worth noting that the more recent reports into reopening the line suggesting that it wasn't viable financially had credible accusations of gilding their projected costs (eg. Buying back the existing heritage station buildings and restoring them to fit modern code when all of them have suitable locations for adjacent modern stations ala Creswick, ensuring full 160km/h operation when 130km/h is a lot cheaper and enough to beat the congested Geelong road in travel time, etc) although there's been little movement or rumblings on reopening the line since.

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      Thats very interesting and sadly not surprising, hopefully there is some proposal of some significance to come in the near future before the line let fall into disrepair.

  • @jimmycarter7913
    @jimmycarter7913 2 місяці тому

    A great video but please put titles on the historic photographs sop we know what they are and when they were taken.

  • @w2class
    @w2class 2 місяці тому

    Fascinating video. Can I ask where you got your information about the multiple sites of the Racecourse stations? I can find stuff about the first and last stations, but not the middle one, just short of Kororoit Creek Road.

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      Due to the short life of the original branch little exists about it and actual sources are hard to come by. The existence of the 2nd station, short of the road, is mentioned in the Altona Laverton Historical Society article on the matter (alhs.com.au/local-history/racecourse/) "In 1885 Victorian Railways constructed a spur line off the Geelong line for the use of patrons, ending before Kororoit Creek Road. Two years later the spur was extended south to the course entrance." This is supported by Andrew Waugh, who in his 1993 tour (www.vrhistory.com/Locations/T1993.PDF) listed the Williamstown Racecourse line as opening in 1885, then reopening in 1887.

  • @PhillipBryant-n1h
    @PhillipBryant-n1h 2 місяці тому

    I grew up in that area. My parents worked for the mental health authority. We use to walk up that line and played at the old station on weekends.

  • @johnd8892
    @johnd8892 2 місяці тому

    Passenger services ran on the Geelong to Ballarat line well into the 1980s when i travelled on the line. But as the route of only a few Melbourne to Ballarat and further afield services. Printed country timetables will confirm this but were often thrown away when out of date. I seem to recall it was the Great Northern Limited train that I specifically sought out for my travel on the line one Saturday after studying the timetables. I can't recall any travellers using the intermediate stations and very few getting on at the Geelong area stops. An indication of how little the patronage might be if the huge expense of upgrading the track and providing passenger services between these country cities.

    • @JohnSmith-jm8id
      @JohnSmith-jm8id 2 місяці тому

      I have also travelled on this line on timetabled V Line services to Dimboola in 1985 and 1987.

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      Thats very interesting, as local trains ceased in 1978 I assume the train you caught did not stop at any intermediate stations? perhaps it was a redirected due to a closure of the mainline? Interested in knowing if you happen to remember more.

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 Місяць тому

      @@VictoriainHistory I have thought it was Saturday prestige trains that were timetabled to travel by that route. It was by studying the printed timetable that I found this out and chose to travel on it. So your theory about diversions and the track being unfit for passenger trains is wrong. If demand was there they would have stopped at intermediate stations too but that may have ceased due to lack of demand. Another commenter confirms these trains ran. Perhaps the state library should have the timetable publications to examine for more research.

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      After a little bit of digging I can confirm you are completely correct, with this timetable from 1982 listing the Overland as running "via North Geelong NON STOP to Ballarat". undertheclocksblog.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/vicraildimboola1982.pdf I'm very curious as to why this is the case, as the mainline would've been plenty sufficient and significantly shortened the trip. Perhaps it was to avoid the local traffic on the mostly single track direct line? or it could've had something to do with the lengths of the passing loops? Very interesting indeed.

    • @SE-to6tf
      @SE-to6tf Місяць тому

      I used to catch a regular Friday evening train from Ballarat to Melbourne via Nth Shore. This train came from Dimboola. I can’t recall the service stopping at any of the intermediate stations like Meredith or Elaine, but people did get on/off at North Shore. That was in the mid-late 80’s.

  • @smurftums
    @smurftums 2 місяці тому

    It's interesting how the mixed trains took a similar time between Ballarat and Geelong (2hrs 15 minutes) compared to using the Vlocity trains to do the same, except via Melbourne (2hrs 19 minutes)! A single car Sprinter DMU and much needed track upgrades, could make the trip possible in under an hour, even with three or so stops between Ballarat and Geelong. Otherwise use the Endeavour railcars from NSW when/if the line is upgraded to standard gauge (which was supposed to happen).

    • @VictoriainHistory
      @VictoriainHistory Місяць тому

      Thats quite interesting to note, although not a surprise due to the speed of trains in the 19th century haha. I would also like to see the sprinters put on regional shuttles, however they are getting older and repurposing one now would just be delaying its inevitable retirement. Re-gauging the line probably wont happen for a while anymore, and if it did it would likely be done as dual gauge, restricting it to iirc 80km/h, making any benefits of trackworks functionally void.

  • @davidmc105
    @davidmc105 2 місяці тому

    Nice job. I think the main reason the Outer Circle line was built was that the speculators who purchased land along the path prior to the South Yarra-Oakleigh line being built were powerful enough to get it built so they could cash in on their land purchases. Clearly, it was not needed by the time it was approved. As a youngster, I used to play in the cutting at High St, East Kew. I think most of the bridge is still there with the superstructure still visible on the eastern side. The western side cutting was filled in long ago when the High St east-bound traffic lane was realigned to go straight instead of curving around to cross the bridge. The cutting on the eastern side was filled in much more recently.

  • @chrispetritsch1291
    @chrispetritsch1291 3 місяці тому

    Very thorough and very interesting, as i am familiar with most of these parts of Melbourne and interested in their history. You need to proof-read your narration however,as there were quite a few blatant and important errors made.Your mispronunciation of Prahran, Poath rd. and Barnesbury rd. and your spelling of Operations to name a few.

  • @hypercomms2001
    @hypercomms2001 4 місяці тому

    Very informative!

  • @Flarezap
    @Flarezap 4 місяці тому

    It's so sad to me that the Outer Circle didn't survive. Would have been a game changer had it existed into the modern day, alas it was not meant to be. Thankful that the alignment has been preserved though, I have a very slim hope that we could one day see trains run from Fairfield to Oakleigh once again.

  • @billyallsop2506
    @billyallsop2506 5 місяців тому

    Loved the video mate. I live on the Alamein Line and have spent so much time walking along the paths where the Outer Circle Line once was so I love hearing and learning more about it.

  • @jamespark3370
    @jamespark3370 5 місяців тому

    Great first video mate!

  • @sandrafowler6717
    @sandrafowler6717 5 місяців тому

    The Suburban Rail Loop is just a replacement for the Old Outer Circle Line, the SRL is just a waste of time and money, it's laughable that one of the stations planned is Doncaster, because there were plans for the extension of the Kew line and there was going to be a station out at Doncaster the planned extension was given the green light, the Suburban Rail Loop is just a joke, and a budget blowout too.

  • @RichardFelstead1949
    @RichardFelstead1949 5 місяців тому

    Well produced and an Interesting video but may I suggest you speak a bit slower.

  • @gmailsmiley
    @gmailsmiley 5 місяців тому

    Good effort, there is a lot of history and change to talk about on this line and I think you covered it well. Having riden the Outer Circle trail by bike, its good to see how it all began. I want to extend my travels over the GW line to Hughesdale and towards Fairfield after watching this.