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Yes so many legends involved at this point it’s hard to keep track of everyone who deserves credit lol

@@andreluisdafonseca5408 yes I agree. Very significant. Doesn’t get talked about enough… thank you for watching

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@@jiujitsuismyoutletNo problem.

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For sure. I think Jujitsu is an example of a form of grappling. I discuss this in the video

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@@tjbjjtkd I think we call it different things based on how we were brought up in the martial arts. Just like how if you’re In the USA you say chips and if you’re in the UK you call them crisps

Works for me I prefer NoGi floor fu 😂😂😂

Oh without a doubt the whole thing is an epic story but i don’t think the name by which we call something changes the thing itself. Fundamentally I think it’s all the same martial art and whatever we call it is essentially marketing

My thoughts exactly

YESSS this doesn’t get talked about enough. The other thing that doesn’t get talked about enough is that you cannot just own someone on the streets with a roundhouse kick and expect to face no legal consequences. Good luck doing a flying knee to someone’s face and not ending up in prison. To be fair, the same could happen to you if you do a big throw or suplex but with grappling there’s plenty of ways to humanly defeat the other person , as you said. One of my first teachers told us about how the beginner is able to defend themselves , the advanced student can defend themselves and other people , but the master can defend everyone including the attacker.

How are they different? Kung Fu and boxing both involve striking as their primary method of combat. Sure it might be different styles of striking but still the same concept (using your fists and feet to hurt the other person). Similarly, a Greco Roman wrestler can show up at a jiu jitsu class and hold their own. A BJJ guy could go to wrestling practice and also know roughly what to do. They will definitely be out of their element of comfort but they will still be able to grapple and use their grappling in the respective practices…. Will the Greco guy get swept at BJJ practice? Probably. Will the BJJ guy get taken down at Greco practice ? For sure. However, this is just because they haven’t invested the time into that specific element of GRAPPLING. However, they are still GRAPPLERS who have heavily stacked the deck on one side of the equation. They still play with the same deck though even though they might heavily favor one suit. Put different: If a Jiu-Jitsu guy studied a ton of Greco techniques and decided to go use them in a tournament, they would be able to…. Why? Because it’s the same martial art. If that jiu jitsu guy was studying boxing or kung fu and decided to use those moves at the tournament he would be DQd. Why? Because those moves are from a different martial art (striking)

Hey man here is a video that perfectly describes my point. This guy clearly trains Greco and he was able to use those techniques to win in this jiu jitsu tournament. instagram.com/reel/DCq1_wStz4N/?igsh=OG5oYXR4azFodzFx Someone who trains boxing their whole life literally has no weapons they can use in a jiu jitsu tournament. They would be like any other white belt. Someone who trains Greco for a lifetime will SMASH the white belts and be called a sand bagger.

@@jiujitsuismyoutlet When you watch Kung Fu their attacks and defenses, and then boxing, it's much more than "they are both striking arts." In a way I agree they are both striking arts but to me it's like saying a guitar and a violin are both stringed instruments, but if you play one, you can't play the other and they are employed in different ways. Also, let's see Kung Fu work in MMA: it doesn't. But, nevertheless, it's a still an art, a different one.

How are they fundamentally different ? You still haven’t answered my question other than to say that if you watch them they’re clearly different. From my perspective having watched and studied both , they both appear to rely on striking people with punches (and kicks too in the case of kung fu). Sure the style of punching might be different but a punch is a punch. A kung fu guy and a boxer can compete against each other and have a fight using their respective techniques. They could agree to a boxing match and the kung fu guy would do fine if he’d studied his hand fighting. The Greco guy and the boxer could have no such fair fight lol

@@jiujitsuismyoutlet Sorry about that! Kung Fu is striking as is boxing, but Kung Fu incorporates some kicks and throws, while boxing allows neither. Kung Fu incorporates eye jabs, joint manipulations (although not a lot) and and trapping as well as some open hand strikes: boxing has none of those things. Kung Fu practitioners also practice with and against weapons and multiple opponents, again none of that in boxing. So both are arts and both are mostly closed hand strikes: there are so many differences I would call them both striking arts, but different enough to be two distinct arts. However, in the ring with typical MMA rules boxing is the superior skill set for equally practiced and athletic competitors. To me saying that the are only two arts: striking and grappling is like saying there is only arts and sciences when you can break them both down into many meaningful very different skillsets with some specially skilled people being good across many of them: just like in martial arts. If you want I can go over BJJ vs. Greco Roman differences to, but this is already too long.

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Sure write it however you want

@@palabrajot505 sure call it that if you want

@@kirklawson2218 maybe watch further into the video :) I think at this point it’s safe to say that many other parties have contributed as much as the Gracies. Too much time has passed and too much international collaboration has happened

@@seanrodriguez9196 hey man thanks for watching

This is pretty much exactly what I’m trying to say…. We call grappling different names depending on where we are from and how we were “raised” in the martial art. If you grew up training luta livre all your life then that’s probably what you will call grappling… if you’re russian and train sambo everyday then that’s probably what you’ll call it, etc .

For sure but the rules don’t automatically make something a different martial art in my view. The rules can separate the same martial art (in this case - grappling) into different competitive categories which become their own form of that martial art

@@jiujitsuismyoutlet what about the underlying philosophy? The idea in Sambo and Judo is that a throw flat on the back (while you remain standing) is a fight finisher. This shapes how the ruleset is developed. Another idea is that back mount is not that great and pin is king. While in BJJ the idea of a perfect throw ending the fight is not a finisher and back mount is considered king. So in one style you focus on throw and pinning and defending those. In others you focus on winning the positional groundfight and the back is the best place to end up. Saying Sambo is the same as BJJ seems strange. In certain combat situations Sambo will be way more usefull than BJJ and vice versa.

I used to feel that way before I worked with a therapist for a few years . Talkspace really helped me a lot

But even the term JuJitsu originated in feudal Japan …. Meanwhile grappling has roots in the history of our world dating back thousands of years before anyone started calling it “jujitsu”. We talk about this in the podcast I did with Dr Rhadi Ferguson (link in video description ) but one of the very first recorded instances of grappling in history is in the book of Genesis. Jacob and the Angel wrestle early in Genesis and the Angel is able to get Jacob to submit with a “lock on the hip”…. Bro this means that they knew about stuff like Z Locks back in like 4 or 5,000 BCE

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@@BOBBOB-tx7ox did you watch my conversation with Dr Rhadi Ferguson about this? Or my conversation with Chadi? We spoke for several hours about exactly this topic. Maybe do a bit more digging around in my channel before making blanket comments :)

@jiujitsuismyoutlet you are allowed to think and say what you please.

@@jiujitsuismyoutlet I saw that and made comments about that also, directly to Mr. Ferguson, he agreed with me on some points and my point of view

This is a great synopsis, you should’ve made the video not me lol 😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂

Dr Rhadi Ferguson said it best in our podcast about this - does changing the clothing change the martial art? Clearly the answer is no… I think the uniform people wear in competition separates the art form into different SPORTS but all are the same martial art - as you said: submission wrestling/grappling etc. There is a unifying foundational art here

@@Kah-Rah-Tay I’m glad you liked the content!

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But what about a different school that trains very similarly to what you’re doing but they call it submission grappling ? Or maybe luta livre ? I feel the name doesn’t change the martial art

@@jiujitsuismyoutlet submission grappling doesn’t have the belt system that Brazilian jiu-jitsu has. The degrees the whole process. Just like Judo. Judo has rankings and degrees. Submission grappling, possibly uses the same banking as Brazilian jiu-jitsu because submission grappling or let’s just say wrestling would be like for example Muay Thai. Thai boxing 🥊 doesn’t have belts or ranks unless you’re fighting then it’s experience and you have a fight record. But the martial art itself doesn’t have belts or degrees. There’s differences that establish a martial art. 🥋 if you’re labeling something else just grappling then you can’t use the Brazilian jiu-jitsu ranking system. It has to have its own system.

@@jiujitsuismyoutlet it seems the ruleset is mostly what creates the style. Then people train for that specific ruleset and this shapes what their training and skillsets looks like.

Yeah well they learned every thing from Japan and all those matches were fought against weak opponents

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​@@jiujitsuismyoutletWhy did the Valent brothers change the name from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or bjj to Ju-Jutsu ? Because that name is correct and original ... In fact, Ju-Jutsu is one Ju-Jutsu, not two, including jiujitsu Brazilian, American, or German . All these are Judo bjj lutalivre aikido kempo yosukan budo krav maga sambo kosen judo ... arts that are derived from Jujitsu, which is its origin. Jujitsu is their father ...

Yes ju-jutsu

Yes I agree, we need to focus on the moves that are most effective both in self defense and in competitions

@@MattBreaux-q3p yeah it works for me

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Yes this is what I’m trying to say basically… I think we call “grappling” by many different names and it all depends on how you were introduced to it

The focus might be different but I’d argue both are practicing the same martial art: grappling - at least when it comes to throws and submissions

Yeah submission grappling is the umbrella term I’m advocating for here …. I personally still call it jiujitsu just because that’s the lineage I came up through. I’m sure if I grew up in Brazil and trained Luta Livre everyday then I’d be calling it luta Livre lol

"Grappling without strikes developed because of armor". What? NO. Every single culture has grappling, whether they have the materials for armor or not. There are cave paintings with techniques not too different to today. Most commonly the winner is decided by takedown or, less commonly, pinning. t's a way to establish dominance without necessarily hurting the other person, and hell, it's what animals do as well. Rarer are grappling forms with submission techniques, however having the other person admit defeat in some way is common. By comparison, striking arts are incredibly uncommon on the grand scale - because our hands and feet aren't evolved for hitting, but for grabbing and walking. That's why the other most common type of martial art is hitting with weapons, not hands - your hand breaks while training and you're in trouble, your weapon breaks and you can get another one. Certainly grappling FOR warfare developed, but it was definitely around before that.

That’s a great point! I think this is why the umbrella term of “grappling” or “submission grappling” is best because it connects together BJJ, sambo, judo, catch wrestling etc but it would leave styles like what you’re describing to be characterized as a more “MMA” style - similar to how we might consider Jeet Kune Do or a style of karate that equally includes striking and grappling.

@@tribalman9668 this is incorrect. Judo has the guard as well. If you consult old judo textbooks from the early 1900s and late 1800s you will find De La Riva guard, X guard, single leg X, butterfly guard, closed guard, etc…. I actually first learned the lockdown from half guard in judo class back in the day. Watch Chadi’s UA-cam channel to learn more about this

I guess what I’m trying to say in the video is that I believe these are all synonyms of the same martial art: grappling

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He personally carry his professor’s flag

Yes for sure but I feel at this point John has innovated enough on his own to be considered his own monolithic figure within the martial arts. Otherwise we would throw away the Gracie family entirely and say “well they learned form Maeda who was a judo and catch wrestling guy so….” Which obviously doesn’t make sense because the Gracie’s innovated enough to be considered their own “branch” of the grappling tree. Hope that makes sense

@@jiujitsuismyoutlet he sure is

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