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On Proportional Rhythm in Chant:
All the longs must be equally long, all the shorts of equal brevity.... In accordance with the length durations let there be formed short beats, so that they be neither more nor less, but one always twice as long as the other. - Commemoratio Brevis, early 10th cent.
In the neumes it is necessary that you pay close attention where the proportional shorter duration is to be measured and where, on the contrary, the longer duration, lest you execute as quick and short what the authority of the masters has determined should be longer and more extended. Nor should we heed those who say there is no reason whatsoever for our making now the quicker duration, now the more prolonged one, in a chant with a naturally disposed rhythm. - Berno of Reichenau, early 11th cent.
In olden times great care was observed not only by the composers of the chant but also by the singers themselves to compose and sing proportionally. - Aribo, late 11th cent.
On Proportional Rhythm in Chant:
All the longs must be equally long, all the shorts of equal brevity.... In accordance with the length durations let there be formed short beats, so that they be neither more nor less, but one always twice as long as the other. - Commemoratio Brevis, early 10th cent.
In the neumes it is necessary that you pay close attention where the proportional shorter duration is to be measured and where, on the contrary, the longer duration, lest you execute as quick and short what the authority of the masters has determined should be longer and more extended. Nor should we heed those who say there is no reason whatsoever for our making now the quicker duration, now the more prolonged one, in a chant with a naturally disposed rhythm. - Berno of Reichenau, early 11th cent.
In olden times great care was observed not only by the composers of the chant but also by the singers themselves to compose and sing proportionally. - Aribo, late 11th cent.
Introit Dominus illuminatio mea
Response to ua-cam.com/video/cDkwX8TfB4g/v-deo.html
Translation: The Lord is my light and my salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid? My enemies that trouble me have themselves been weakened and have fallen. If armies in camp should stand together against me, my heart shall not fear. (Psalm 26:1-3)
Modern notation: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/eaoss21zwm66pxcptvqym/In-Dominus-illuminatio-E-literal.pdf?rlkey=v95usw73kw94icjteyi3qcrgk&dl=0
Gregorian notation: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8lg78t9a5ghgfvn1i7ohp/in10-dominus_illuminatio-E-literal.pdf?rlkey=1kj5wkrcn1owsczyczm3294vt&dl=0
Introit for the Fourth Sunday after Pentecost/Tenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
Sung in proportional rhythm according the Einsiedeln Gradual (Codex Einsiedlensis 121)
Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 1, © 2011 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg (left)
with adiastematic neumes from Laon 239 (above) and Einsiedeln 121 (below) and my own transcription (right)
The non-Italianate pronunciation of "inimici" and "ceciderunt" is a deliberate attempt to replicate how the chant probably would have been sung at Einsiedeln in the tenth century.
Recorded July 3, 2024
Mater Misericordiae Catholic Church
Phoenix, Arizona
www.cantatorium.com/
Table of neumes:
www.dropbox.com/s/tx86n1zta7d2ufc/Table%20of%20Neumes.pdf?dl=0
See also www.omnigreg.at/wiki/doku.php?id=grad:0035
and www.gregor-und-taube.de/E.10-Sonntag-im-Jahreskreis.pdf
Copyright Notice: This composition is in the public domain. The recording is my own and was made with my own equipment. The image displayed from the copyrighted edition acknowledged above constitutes fair use. Patrick Williams, 2024
Translation: The Lord is my light and my salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid? My enemies that trouble me have themselves been weakened and have fallen. If armies in camp should stand together against me, my heart shall not fear. (Psalm 26:1-3)
Modern notation: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/eaoss21zwm66pxcptvqym/In-Dominus-illuminatio-E-literal.pdf?rlkey=v95usw73kw94icjteyi3qcrgk&dl=0
Gregorian notation: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8lg78t9a5ghgfvn1i7ohp/in10-dominus_illuminatio-E-literal.pdf?rlkey=1kj5wkrcn1owsczyczm3294vt&dl=0
Introit for the Fourth Sunday after Pentecost/Tenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
Sung in proportional rhythm according the Einsiedeln Gradual (Codex Einsiedlensis 121)
Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 1, © 2011 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg (left)
with adiastematic neumes from Laon 239 (above) and Einsiedeln 121 (below) and my own transcription (right)
The non-Italianate pronunciation of "inimici" and "ceciderunt" is a deliberate attempt to replicate how the chant probably would have been sung at Einsiedeln in the tenth century.
Recorded July 3, 2024
Mater Misericordiae Catholic Church
Phoenix, Arizona
www.cantatorium.com/
Table of neumes:
www.dropbox.com/s/tx86n1zta7d2ufc/Table%20of%20Neumes.pdf?dl=0
See also www.omnigreg.at/wiki/doku.php?id=grad:0035
and www.gregor-und-taube.de/E.10-Sonntag-im-Jahreskreis.pdf
Copyright Notice: This composition is in the public domain. The recording is my own and was made with my own equipment. The image displayed from the copyrighted edition acknowledged above constitutes fair use. Patrick Williams, 2024
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Magnificat with organ alternatim
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Of. Justitiae
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Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Images from Beiträge zur Gregorianik, vol. 73, © 2022 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg, and my own edition; cf. www.ccwatershed.org/2023/06/04/offertory-verses-and-why-you-should-sing-them/ and www.cantatorium.com/proper Recorded Wednesday, July 26, 2023 Mater Misericordiae Catholic Church Phoenix, Arizona Table of ne...
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Proper of the Mass sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant sources Handout with English translations: www.dropbox.com/s/8c8vpmyvudp57p5/Pentecost XXIII Proper.pdf Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 1, © 2011 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg, with adiastematic neumes from the Laon Gradual (Codex Laudunensis 239), the Einsiedeln Gradual (Codex Einsidlensis 121), and th...
Active Participation or Not?
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Audio will be better on the original videos! Credits: ua-cam.com/video/raG7gX-H1v4/v-deo.htmlsi=K1Asr7JNT4Ih6xEg&t=1073 Transfert de Mgr Lefebvre - Écône ua-cam.com/users/live22HcCdYnib0?si=dDW2bqu1xtC8qS_Z&t=4803 ua-cam.com/video/bsi8-IFaulI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/EInZcK5f0PE/v-deo.html All content belongs to the respective copyright owners and constitutes fair use.
Co. 1 Panis quem ego dedero
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"The bread that I will give is My Flesh for the life of the world." (John 6:52) Communion for the Fifteenth Sunday after Pentecost/Nineteenth Sunday in Ordinary Time A-B Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Image from the Graduale Triplex, © 1979 Solesmes Recorded Wednesday, September 13, 2023 Mater Misericordiae Catholic Church Phoenix, Arizona www.ccwatershed...
Of. Exaltabo te Domine
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red - long in both sources purple - long in at least one source brown - long in a source other than L or E blue - long by interpretation green - short in both sources black - lacking in one source Offertory for Ash Wednesday and the Eleventh Sunday after Pentecost Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 1, © 2011 ConBrio Verlag...
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Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 1, © 2011 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg, and my own edition; cf. www.ccwatershed.org/2023/06/04/offertory-verses-and-why-you-should-sing-them/ and www.cantatorium.com/proper Recorded Wednesday, July 26, 2023 Mater Misericordiae Catholic Church Phoenix, Arizona Table of neumes: w...
Introduction to Mensuralism
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www.cantatorium.com Gregorian Rhythm Wars series: www.ccwatershed.org/tag/gregorian-rhythm-wars/ Glossary: www.ccwatershed.org/2023/03/12/chant-glossary/ 0:00 Introduction 0:18 Proportional rhythm or mensuralism 1:22 Equalism 1 (slow/long) 4:00 Equalism 2 (fast/short) 5:18 Solesmes method 8:23 Semiology 1 9:57 Semiology 2 11:28 Proportional rhythm (Einsiedeln/St. Gall) without melodic correctio...
Of Oravi Deum
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Offertory, Mode IV: Oravi Deum Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 1, © 2011 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg, p. 324 I, Daniel, prayed to my God, saying, Hear, O Lord, the prayers of Thy servant; show Thy face upon Thy sanctuary and favorably look down upon this people upon whom Thy Name is invoked, O God. (Daniel 9...
Of Jubilate Deo universa terra
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Offertory, Mode I: Jubilate Deo universa terra Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 1, © 2011 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg, pp. 200-201 Shout joyfully to God, all the earth: sing ye a psalm to His Name: come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will tell you what the Lord hath done for my soul, alleluia. (Ps. 65:...
Gr. Tribulationes VOLLAERTS
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The troubles of my heart are multiplied: rescue me from my necessities, O Lord. See my abjection and my labor: and forgive all my sins. (Psalm 24/25:17-18) Gradual for the Second Sunday of Lent, mode V Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts as interpreted by Fr. Jan W. A. Vollaerts, S.J. Images from his Rhythmic Proportions in Early Medieval Ecclesiastical Chant,...
Gr. Tribulationes
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The troubles of my heart are multiplied: rescue me from my necessities, O Lord. See my abjection and my labor: and forgive all my sins. (Psalm 24/25:17-18) Gradual for the Second Sunday of Lent, mode V Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Images from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 2, © 2018 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg, pp. 35-36 with adiastematic neumes f...
Introit Statuit ei Dominus
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Sung in proportional rhythm according to the oldest extant manuscripts Image from the Graduale Novum, Vol. 2, © 2018 ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft, Regensburg with adiastematic neumes from the Einsiedeln Gradual (Codex Einsidlensis 121) Response to ua-cam.com/video/JXSFVvJtM4I/v-deo.html For the best comparison, I have matched the pitch of the original video. I would probably take this chant a wh...
Of. Confirma hoc Deus - Parallel Organum
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Of. Confirma hoc Deus - Parallel Organum
gratias tibi
Why did you record this with the loud sound of carpentry in the background? 😎😎 {Certified Old Curmudgeon}
Could you not post this recording without the screaming infant? 😎😎 {Certified Old Curmudgeon}
Greater authenticity ;)
Looking for any standard edition of mode V Salve Regina piano accompaniment. Any suggestions?
This is a somewhat strange place to ask, but sure: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/otjf4x2bd63raqtcbqy1c/Salve-Regina-simple-in-C.pdf?rlkey=nkzx0u6768gc45r56r3nu7ymo&dl=0
Another here: archive.org/details/portier-ferdinant-liber-cantualis-organo_202006/page/58/ And many here: www.ccwatershed.org/2020/06/04/pdf-download-12-accompaniments-for-simple-salve-regina/
@@organistALappreciate your suggestions
Where did you get the notes? Why is the variant on the right with the C klef?
The Graduale Novum. See the video description. Mode II with B-flat throughout = mode X with final on A. ua-cam.com/video/8DKo5QyIxuQ/v-deo.html
How should psalm tones be chanted proportionally? Are there early manuscripts that inform us about it?
The "Commemoratio brevis de tonis et psalmis modulandis" from the end of the ninth century deals fairly extensively with psalmody. The Introit and Communion psalm verses of the Mass and the gospel canticles (Benedictus, Magnificat, Nunc dimittis) are sung more slowly than the psalmody of the Office. chmtl.indiana.edu/tml/9th-11th/ANOCBT_TEXT.html
I was here! So beautiful!
Beautifully performed to all, my wife and I regret not being there. Please extend my compliments to the choir, I don't generally see them as I'm the 1pm porter with the black hat.
ho assistito dal vivo ed è un miracolo vedere quanti monaci benedettino e ascoltarla
What are some examples of well known hymns and chants in each mode? For example, Veni Creator Spiritus is in mode 8 I think... is that correct?
Yes it is. See here: www.gregorianbooks.com/propers.html#mode_examples
@@organistAL That's great! Thanks!
In most Gregorian music is the mode indicated on which it's to be song on
Yes, in modern editions there is typically a number at the beginning of the chant indicating the mode.
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I agree that more effort should be put into recovering rhythm. Drone properly done is not harmonization. In the tradition of Byzantine chant, the drone is always on the modal base, providing a firm ground for the singers on melody, and making the mode easier to understand for those listening. this works because the drone does not move except to reflect a genuine modulation. While i think 'gussying it up' is an unfair statement of proper drone, i would say that few people outside the byzantine tradition have a good sense of how to do it; they always want to move it around, making it harmony rather than a drone.
When is this sung? Maybe it's the most beautiful Communion I've ever heard
Fifteenth Sunday after Pentecost/Nineteenth Sunday in Ordinary Time A-B I just updated the description. I'm glad you like it!
Has there ever been any attempt to make a systematic notation of scores according to the style in your first (proportional) example, or is that just a one-off example derived from the older adiastematic manuscripts?
It's a work in progress! www.cantatorium.com/proper
Je suis tout à fait convaincu par les explications sur le mensuralisme du chant grégorien. Par contre je suis moins convaincu par l'interprétation qui en est donnée dans cette vidéo : les notes épisémées sont chantées trop vite, de même que le Pes carré et la virga. Chanter une virga comme une note courte c'est avoir la même vision que Dom Pothier ou la méthode de Solesmes. Qu'on prouve donc que toute virga n'est pas une note longue par nature.
@@organistAL Thank you! I will take a look at that!
@@musiquesacree8494 Are you listening to the right segment of the presentation? They are twice as long as the short notes. At 12:57, there are four places where I sing a virga short at the beginning of a climacus, but each corresponds to a punctum in Laon and is also understood to be short from context in St. Gall. Do you disagree?
I always think you sing too fast, the video at 0.75x or maybe even a bit slower sounds better Is there any particular reason for the fast tempo?
I try to keep in in the range of 84-100 recommended by Jan van Biezen.
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Fascinating. Thank you for demonstrating the different interpretive methods. Just a quibble about organum: I could see how the more elaborate forms of organum and cantare super librum would be injurious to the rhythmic interpretation you advocate since the foundation of that demands equal note values, but it seems to me that a drone and simpler organum would pair well with a more rhythmic chant. As can be seen in Byzantine chant, the use of the ison hasn't led to the degradation of rhythm-but their "gussying up" of chant has not gone beyond the ison.
Great blend. Sounds like one voice. Congrats
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Well done! Very musical. The acoustics of the church are nice, too.
Maybe a little too fast Listening to it at 0.75x makes it sound better
Well done
Oravi Deum meum (offertory) is pretty difficult
It is! I actually have a brief article on that one here: www.dropbox.com/s/rlvxxzrd827m9lj/Of%20Oravi%20Deum.pdf?dl=0 One of these days I should record it.
Not perfect, but a decent practice recording: ua-cam.com/video/1QXKBV57PKE/v-deo.html
I wonder if you could do one chant with weird absonia Can't think of one right off the bat, but I've seen some I still can't sing at first sight
Thank you very much!
Gregorian chant done right
Excellent summary - thank you so much for such a clear explanation
This is gorgeous. I made a transcription very similar. Of this chant, with the intent of adapt chant to portuguese.
My friend, I belong to a gregorian chant choir here in Porto Alegre, Brazil, and your information presented in this video is very useful to us! May Our Lord protect and bless you for your kindness and work! André de Castro.
I have just corrected my English, hehehe.
Underrated video, very helpful
Nice work!
Wow, this channel is awesome. This helped me a lot with learning and writing in the hypolydian mode. Thanks!
Semplicemente stupendo,è un canto che ristora l anima,vero balsamo per lo spiritp
Fascinating discourse on Mass XVIII. Relative vs. Absolute pitch understood now perfectly. Thank you for this fine talk.
Beautifully sung.
Not only are you obviously doing great work, but sharing this will be important in the future.
Hello! Who know a videolesson, how make a GREGORIAn VOICE, give me link please) Just woice, not notes
Thank you so much for posting this - so glorious! <3
Outstanding scholarship and attention to detail. Thank you.
Thank you and God bless you for your kind words! You may be interested in some of the material on my website: cantatorium.com
Brilliant. Thank you so much.
Thank you! I'm glad you found it helpful.
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És increïble poder escoltar una músic tan llunyana i alhora tan propera. Crec que això és del Còdex Sangallensis 359. El llibre musical, amb neumes, més antic que es coneix. Gràcies.
Bravo !!! Respect
Great Work
Ad Hoc COVID-19 Pandemic "Social Distancing" Ensemble hahahaha bravo
The women sound great! Love it! :D
NICE.. ..