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Here is my video response after getting told I was an apostate by Joel concerning this matter ua-cam.com/play/PL2LLjJZBiAzKA968By_aj9Sbc9jJAanSx.html&si=swFY4LNbUbgGkwGw

Hey viewers. I am the person in his congregation that he kicked out and began his quest to smash Gods truth about marriage. Here is his actual first sermon that was not on video and I did a response to it finally. ua-cam.com/video/AcbwPsNp0zQ/v-deo.html

Excellent message.

This guy has convinced me that polygamy is actually awesome. What a joke.

This guy is one of the worst pastors I have ever heard. He absolutely had zero arguments against polygamy in the first 20 minutes. He just goes on and on about random stuff. What a joke. I feel bad for the people that look up to this man.

This guy is one of the worst pastors I have ever heard. He absolutely had zero arguments against polygamy in the first 20 minutes. He just goes on and on about random stuff. What a joke. I feel bad for the people that look up to this man.

21:32 - "If you question the love of God while looking at these doctrines, you're doing it wrong." Yet the fruit of Calvinism has caused many, even among the elect, to question the love of God. I see a problem here... Don't get me wrong, I'm very thankful that God loves me, but when I hear that God has mysteriously picked me to be loved, and mysteriously decides that others just like me will be damned, that is so unsettling to my spirit. Was there no hope of salvation for them? This just makes "common grace," or God's "general love" for all people fake grace, and false love. God's general love toward all would be just a facade to give most people on earth enjoyment for a time before they will be eternally damned for their sins with no chance to repent in faith, (although they are commanded to do so) all because God did not mysteriously and forcefully changing their rebellious nature so that they would believe.

The Book of Revelation was penned by the Apostle John in the mid 60s AD as a warning letter from Jesus to Israel / Jerusalem that the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was soon upon them (Rev 1:1). In 70 AD, this was fulfilled. God destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple, and the old covenant, ushering in the new covenant in Faith in Christ alone. Believers in Christ are the new Temple, where God dwells with us forever.

Reverend Father and God bless you in Christ is the spirit of God we are all one in the body of Christ family is God

ua-cam.com/video/vLHpqfd5yV4/v-deo.htmlsi=gUo0VXPBTaiR7cPC strong rebuttal

Sorry, but you dont comprehend the wisdom of the Word.

False teachers destroyed by their own wicked devices. Joel Saint spends 5 hours twisting scripture and logic attempting to discredit polygyny but inadvertently proves that polygyny is just as righteous as celibacy or monogamy.

Anytime you hear a pastor speak on this subject with such haughtiness, such as here, understand he is not being guided by the word.

Pastor Joel Saint, youve probably done more to convince people polygyny is Godly in last few weeks than anyone actually advocating for it. Congratulations🎉

As a lawyer, I will never argue in favour of 'monogamy-only 'and use the Bible to support my argument. I will lose in court. The evidence is overwhelming in favour of polygyny, in fact, polygyny is optional and in some cases required. Paster Joel Saint, perhaps you can educate us on the 'Legality Principle' and how that applies to this argument. If you are ever interested in an open debate, I will gladly debate you. Proceeds can go to your charity of choice. Sincerely yours.

You can love one son more than another does that mean we should only have one? Gen 37:3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age....

Grace and Peace So let's talk about 1COR.7 the ownership To understand why Paul says to get your own wife we'd have to know that Paul is dealing with 1COR.5 :1 1 Cor 5:1 It is 👉reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, 👉that one should have his father’s wife. See that, a man has taken his father’s bride. So in context, get your own wife

genesis 4 Lamech took two wives

Looks like we got another Christian pee pee police.

where does it specify gay or Stright on your monogamous government pimp daddy marriage license because if it doesn't how do you know you didn't get a gay one.

I think its a good sign that pastors are starting to get scared of polygyny because God is waking so many people up to the truth

if your wife won't let you have a second wife you are not the head of your house

The actual context of the issue of David and Uriah is about him taking another mans wife. This pastor's take goes something like this " David, its me God. I gave you all those watermelons and would have given you more. Why did you have to go and take another mans wife???...so many more watermelons could have come your way if you just asked!!!" His take makes no sense.

This pastor needs to repent and humble himself. This is embarrassing to watch.

You love your wife more than GOD, Christianity is a matriarchy wife worshippers hope this sermon got you a pat on the head from your female master/god

only weak men fear polygamy because they know they won't get access to sex. monogamy is grape because it forces a woman to choose from men she doesn't actually want

"We here at IRBC DO consider polygamy to be adultery." However, God in the Bible doesnt. In the Bible adultery is 1. When Gods people go after other gods. 2. When a man's wife is sexually with another man (Lev 20:10). They are exactly parallel concepts. You xannot find one place where polygyny is called adultery. In fact if a man (regardless of marital status) has sex with an unmarried women he is required to marry her, unless the womans father forbids it (Exodus 22:16-17). It is therefore completely illogical that God would forbid a married man from marrying another unmarried women and have sex with her, because "it's adultery." But then require a married man who has sex with an unmarried woman to marry her. It makes no sense that plural marriage then sex equals adultery (death penalty). But sex then plural marriage equals a commandment.

Keep reading. In 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 men and women are given different commandments for when a wife departs from her husband. The wife is commanded to remain unmarried or reconcile with her husband. This is consistent with the rest of Bible because if she remarries she is committing adultery. The husband however is not commanded to remain unmarried, instead he is only commanded not to put away his wife that has departed. This is also consistent with the rest of the Bible because a man is not forbidden from taking another wife. This means that withing the context of 1st Corinthians 7 of a man's wife departed he could take another wife. Then if his first wife returned as she is commanded to do, he would then have two wives.

Using Bible names for Bible things will lend clarity to scriptural understanding. The Biblical name for polygamy is not "adultery". It is "marriage".

You said, "We here at IRBC do consider polygamy as adultery!" How is it that you place your consideration above the clear teaching of Holy Scripture? The command is simple, "You shall not commit adultery" (Ex. 20:14). Paul wrote, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers... will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9, 10). Jesus said Abraham and Jacob are in the kingdom (Matt. 8:11). Why do you call Jesus Christ and Paul liars when it is you who have added to Scripture? Adultery is always defined in the Bible based on the marital status of the woman, never the man. David was only ever referred to as an adulterer after taking Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah, and having sex with her. David was NEVER referred to as an adulterer for taking other women as his wives and neither was any other man called an adulterer for having more than one wife. You condemn the righteous with your statement saying, "We here at IRBC do consider polygamy as adultery!" REPENT!

Your defense has been nothing but a series of Eisegesis and Logical Fallacies. No one is saying that you should have more than one wife, and if they are, it is only because you indicated a desire to have more than one, that you cannot seem to understand is clearly allowed by God Himself; the One whose Word, you have clearly distorted in order to elevate MONOGAMY, as if it is superior to polygyny, and as if it were somehow found in the Scriptures.

The first lie of Satan in Genesis 3, was to add to the Word of God. God never said that they could not eat from ANY tree in the garden, just like God never said that a man could only have one wife. The restriction was for a particular tree, just as the prohibition given in Scripture, which GOD calls adultery, is taking another man's wife!

I scanned the comments section in all three of the previous messages that were posted, and I am not able to find the comment where someone said, "Wow! I hope you like being in prison with your one wife." Since you don't want to identify who this person is, it makes it hard to call this individual out, but it would at least be helpful if you could identify which message this comment appeared in!

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil". Woe to you pastor Joel! You have elevated monogamy to the status of the Word of God, and demoted polygyny to adultery, which it is never called such in the entirety of Scripture.

Paul never promoted monogamy in 1 Cor 7! This has already been exposed as a lie!

Christ NEVER promoted monogamy OR polygyny! The "two become one", is a Septuagint addition that He was simply quoting! It is nonetheless true to say what Moses actually wrote, that they become one flesh, and His point has NOTHING to do with monogamy, but rather with PERMANENCE!

Who are you not talking to any more? We who understand this freedom that we have in Christ, have already turned to Him! I know you do street evangelism at PRIDE parades, so obviously you are still talking to the homosexuals!

This is not about whether people are condemned or not. We all acknowledge our need of a Savior! The real question is whether a person who has more than one wife, can be free from that condemnation, by grace through faith. You seem to take the stance that they cannot, but have yet to provide any valid biblical arguments for that stance. Why don't you at least answer some of the objections that we have raised here. I can't help but believe that you have no answer.

What Jude has to say, is indeed very scary for those who promote homosexuality, but he was obviously condemning Sodom, not Abraham or Jacob or David!

"driven by lust and driven by rebellion" is once again the "Argument from Motive" fallacy. It ignores the many who have spoken truth on this topic, who have had no desire whatsoever to have more than one wife!

No one here wants to be impure. Titus 1:15. Obviously you have found a way to preach something the Bible does not say. When you add to God's Word, He rebukes you and calls you a liar. Prov 30:5-6

The Bible explicitly condemns arsinokoitai, but never condemns, not even the slightest bit, having more than one wife! Your example fails miserably.

It is not about being a rebel; it is about not being enslaved to man made rules and regulations that masquerade as if it were Biblical truth, when the only biblical passages used, were clearly misused and applied with logical fallacies that have clearly been exposed!

Obviously, you are new to this topic. You thought you knew everything when you began to oppose it, and now, you are finding yourself in over your head! You just cannot bring yourself to admit that you were wrong!

You can consider polygamy as adultery all you want, but that doesn't matter to God, what you think. The only forms of polygamy that are adultery in the eyes of God, you seem to gloss over, and some of you have even promoted! This is hypocrisy!

There is no "Doctrine of Polygamy"! There is a heresy of "Monogamy Only", which is what you are promoting here. If there were a "Doctrine of Polygamy", it would only be #1 to point out that this dogma of "Monogamy Only" is unbiblical, and #2 that polyandry and polyamory or polyfidelity, are in fact called out as adultery in Scripture, whereas polygyny is not! There is in fact a doctrine we know of which is called "Freedom in Christ". Paul tells us to "Stand firm and do not be subjected again under a yoke of slavery" in Galatians 5.

Joel, you are spot on. In any interaction I’ve had with the polygamy evangelists, it’s ALWAYS monogamy is defective and polygamy is the superior option. You can’t say they are equal because they are not. Thanks for doing this sermon series!

Wow, that's a powerful statement to make! "We here at IRBC do consider polygamy as adultery!" It is written, Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9-10). Jesus said, And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 8:11). Jesus said Abraham and Jacob would be in the kingdom but clearly adulterers won't be. Joel, you just called Jesus Christ a liar! Repent of this abomination!!

So pastor Joel! If a man lay with a woman who is not his wife, but had no sexual relations with her, that would be ok, because God gave women into David's bosom to lay with, but not have sexual relations with???? Would you welcome a man who does this into your church? Would you be willing to have dinner with him, or would you be unable to even look at him?

32:50 fill the Earth with people and companionship you know my wife needs compan yeah your wife needs companionship yeah with you as a husband Husbands are not the best companions for their wives. You are doing nothing here but brow beating men into becoming Beta males.