Відео

In England, i grew up listening to stories on the news about the trouble in Northern Ireland. It seems like another lifetime. I went on a school trip to London in the early nineties, and a bomb exploded not far from where us children were located.

All the good work that was accomplished and what we achieved, just so Stormont can collapse every 3 years.

FDR said "War is young men dying and old men talking". This scene is so poignant for an old man to tell a young person to have hope to end a war.

This scene brilliantly encapsulates all of the hopes, dreams, futures and anxieties of the people who voted for the good Friday agreement. If lisa mcgee had left the show in the aftermath of the yes vote. It would have been the best ending the show would have gotten. But i didn't like the cameo ending.

It’s really powerful when you think Granda Joe is old enough to have seen the vast majority of the fighting from the late 20s onwards, he’s seen the Island portioned and divided, friends on both sides murdered and oppressed. He’s got hope about the referendum because he knows it’s the only chance they have of peace, and within a generation there could be kids who don’t remember the violence. He’s right obviously, as we know the agreement was a success and violence is unlikely to return anytime soon.

People think of the sacrifices that buy peace, and they often think in measures of life lost. Bodies and blood. But that is not what I have found. They are important ane should not he forgotten. But the real sacrifice, the real cost, is *Justice*. Retribution. Sometimes to buy peace, the guilty are allowed to walk away. And that is a much, much harder thing to do, than to die fighting your enemies. Its so much harder. I don't know if I would have it me. If I lived in that time and place. Or in any of the other countless conflict zones. I hope I would. But I can't really know. Its not natural. Its not human. And its easy to say it is when its not your family who died. But Ireland gives me hope. It lets me know that conflicts we think are unsolvable are sometimes only a generation away. When the right people at the right time make that sacrifice. Trade their closure, their justice, for their childrens future.

I was 17 when the Good Friday Agreement was signed and the troubles were finally coming to an end I am so thankful that my children didn’t have to grow up with bombings and shootings a daily occurrence that was just part of life when I was growing up.

I forgot his name was Joe and I thought the video was gonna be about the character from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

-Lovely.

This exactly the kind of thinking that made Americans believe it was a good idea kill hundreds of thousand of people in Afghanistan & Iraq at the expense of trillions of dollars

He was of the age to dream. We are now of the age where we know the dream is never enough and that it is never about the peoples wants and dreams just the wants and dreams of those in power. But is is the people that always suffer

And then 20 years later the extremist DUP help trample all over that hard-won peace by backing Brexit. It's almost like they miss the Troubles

Thought this was asking Grandpa Joe from 'Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory's what his thoughts on the conflict were

It didn’t work

I was born in Co. Louth in 1969 and my daughter was born in 1998 so she has her ghost stories. And of course I voted yes.

The actress who played Erin was about the same age as her character's sister (EDIT: during the Good Friday Agreement vote in 1998), which makes this scene very poignant.

I love how he says it doesn't matter what he thinks, but it does. What he thinks influenced her in the best possible way

End result A united Ireland 🇮🇪

I work with people in their early 20's. They can't believe the stuff you'd tell them about that time. They see it as something belonging to third-world dictatorships mired in civil war. Completely outside of themselves.

He was right, it's about the future generations being free of that horror. My generation grew up with it and many of us can't forgive or forget but you should never put that burden on your kids or their kids.

What a load of shite that turned out to be. The rebels get off scott free (no matter how many women or children they killed) yet will attempt to chase prosecution for soldiers 40 years later.

Barristan selmy loves democracy

Every person over 60 agreeing with this statement, then voting on the basis of an imagined past anyway. Politics.

grandpa joe was such a prick

Typical - a failed Tony Blair achievement gets immortalized in a TV show and everyone forgets he was a shitshow.

The irony that the children will end up emigrating.

That child would grow up in a country with no infrastructure, houses, heritage or natural beauty because it's parent and grandparents destroyed it all for a bit o craic and then be told by its parents they should be grateful they decided to stop blowing each other up for their future.

its a hard choice, one that will often be looked back as morally wrong, but sometimes crimes have to be excused for their to be less crimes. The good friday agreement is one, without the general pardon how many more bombings would have happened. How many dictators stay in power solely because they are scared to let go of it and in return continue their opression.

And that’s exactly how it works- history transmuted into ghost stories.

With what is going on in Gaza... I just hope one day this sort of thing becomes more and more relevant. That horrible conflicts that lasted a whole generation become ghost stories and cautionary tales. Joe's line is a wonderful one as he's holding his youngest Granddaughter who was lucky to be born in the ending years of the Troubles.

Grandad was the one with the wisdom. He's seen it all and he knows that anger serves no purpose. Only faith, hope, & love count for anything

I always think when she talks about people dying and the other people getting away with it, Grandpa Joe (Barristan Selmy) has this look of ... "oh okay". I don't know if it was intentional, but Grandpa Joe, given the timeline, could have very well fought in WWII and if not, easily knew several families that lost people during that. And yet, the war ended and people moved on. I think that is where he learned the lesson.

Ironic that it's the older generation here who express the more hopeful and open opinion, and the younger generation who express the fear and unwillingness to let go of old gripes. Very interesting twist to the story.

‘What if no one else has to die.’ That bit got me. 😢

This is it , this is the exact part I was looking for and I found it , this show has amazing writers. Thank you for posting it

"thank you love" - grandpa joe

“What if it doesn’t work.” “What if it does? What if no one else has to die?” Words worth holding onto today.

This scene is perfect in sooo many ways i love them

Hahaha omg she actually talked to wee Anna

What makes this doubly poignant is that the actor Ian McElhinney is from North Ireland and lived through all the events of the troubles.

Love this scene .. and the argument between Michelle and Erin .. James says “I don’t think we should be talking about this” … unfortunately to achieve an outcome you have to discuss the uncomfortable things.

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Oh that's perfect 🌧️

Cannot watch this scene without crying!

0:40 Don't know about anyone else but I pretty much started crying at this point in the show.

Stick to the Agreement and the "Ghosts" won't come back to haunt ya.

I love how this is his only serious line of the show and it’s absolutely beautiful.

The people that walked away having murdered somebody's mother were the IRA. Tony Blair and Mo Mowlam sold out and let murdering terrorist monsters live a life unhindered. Shame on the terrorist Blair.

Loved this show. I'm Colombian so this really hits close to home. We also did a referendum around 8 years ago. We hope it gets better. The creator of this show really educated me on the history of Ireland . I shed tears with the ending.

Wise manGrandpa joe im glad he got to go the the chocolate factory