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DuneStone
Приєднався 30 бер 2013
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On Role Models: A Response to Film Theory
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Watch my short film! It's a comedy and therefore has no role models: ua-cam.com/video/U8YZW9o8OBA/v-deo.htmlsi=7NUHJ5ScnuiNfV5a Original Film Theory Video: ua-cam.com/video/DNhnboOpX8k/v-deo.htmlsi=2ja6lQ7DjVIpiz_D
Loud house be like: also loud house having a baby that can play some major roles in later episodes
You mentioned at the very beginning that you’d observed more shows with brother pairings rather than sister pairings, and I would have loved to hear more about that. (I know it probably boils down to old merch policies but having the stats could be interesting.) But this was still a nice view on the sibling trend; thanks for making this!
I never did come to a conclusion on that. There are plenty of cartoons that star a girl, but for some reason almost no one is interested in pairing up their girl protag with another female. Maybe cartoons are still skewed towards boys and two girls in the lead is seen as too much of a barrier for the male demographic. What I didn't mention is that there are also plenty of brother-sister pairings I can think of. It's specifically 2 or more girls that every show seems to shy away from.
enter arcane with two same sex siblings :)
also almost all of same sex sibling characters in TV are male.
2:44 JUNIOR'S GIANTS?!!?1
I didn't even know Arthur had a baby sister...
As someone who’s watched a lot of anime, the opposite tends to be true. A lot of anime protagonists tend to be only children, and if they do have another sibling, their relationship is fairly close. Though, the majority of animes I’ve watched that have siblings do tend to be of the opposite sex, and I can’t say for sure that there’s less rivalry in anime than there is in Western cartoons because I usually stick with particular genres. From what I’ve noticed, though, siblings in anime tend to be close with each other (sometimes to the point of making the viewer uncomfortable asf) and that’s only if a protagonist has a sibling at all.
Good video, but the title and thumbnail made me think that this was going to be about regulations surrounding how siblings are portrayed. The data and trends stuff is still interesting, but it took a couple of minutes to get over how excited I was for learning about TV regulations
Wow. Matt really has fallen from grace.
What a waste of time
Was hoping youd mention probably the most influential sibling show: Malcolm in the middle
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My Three Sons? Petticoat Junction? Brady Bunch? (the blood siblings were all the same sex), Little House on the Prairie? Leave it to Beaver? Were we speaking on the same planet? or was my youth spent in a different galaxy.....
5:25 I’m much younger than my older brother (I’m a girl) and our relationship can be described as just fin and Jake. Sibling relationships don’t see gender, just how amping the other person is.
The first cartoon I thought of that starred sisters was Daria, even though Quinn wasn't necessarily a lead.
This is so intriguing 😮
I forgot that Kim Possible had twin little brothers
it's just the ideal nuclear family, guys. mom, dad, daughter and son. there's no deeper meaning, it's just the western society's ideal of a family 😭
I completely agree with your analysis of televised siblings. You are totally right.
Not a cartoon, but what about the Patty Duke show? Identical cousins!
Does ruby spears mega man count? I'm asking this because the main character (mega man) has a sister. (Roll) Technically but they're robots and they're originally from a video game named mega man.
Using old Disney and Warner Bros characters as role models for kids are bad examples, since those cartoons were never meant for kids. Which is why they have so much violence, dark humor, sexual humor, and morally gray behavior in them.
Nice use of Edna & Harvey music!
Linus and Lucy have a third sibling. Rerun
If this is about Peanuts being on the list, that was in reference to Charlie Brown and Sally, not Linus and Lucy.
@@DuneStone6816 It showed Linus and Lucy @ 4:42
@@emmaelson6770 I was just using that as an example of brother-sister conflict. They weren't included in the chart because Charlie Brown is t he main character
How about The Simpsons? There have been episodes that were oriented around Maggie the baby of the family and Family Guy where Stewie the baby is very much involved in the show
Uh yeah there are shows with sisters how about the Powerpuff Girls? And there’s a sister in Arthur and Dexter’s Lab and in The Simpsons and in Family Guy and in American Dad so there’s some shows that have sisters
I'd be very curious what this data looks like when divided by gender as well-that is, how many shows are all girl/all boy/both/2:1 sibling sets
Looking back at my data, it looks like girl protags are more likely to have a sister than boys are to have a brother. But I only found about 20 examples of same-sex siblings, so it may not be enough to draw strong conclusions. An interesting note is that several of those girls with sisters are from preschool shows.
@DuneStone6816 very interesting, thanks for the reply! : )
by the title and thumbnail i thought you were going to get into industry standards and television guidelines for different distributors and not just "huh look at this trend" with not a whole lot of elaboration...
There are UA-cam videos describing the surprisingly few formulas used in writing. (2 same siblings = x Tropes) & (2 different = 2x Tropes) Maybe something like that.
Life With Derek broke whatever rules there were 🥴
I think it's done to give the writers more flexibility.
The show sister sister
I’m surprised that the video made no mention of Donald and Douglas, Iron Arry and Iron Bert, and the china clay twins (Bill and Ben) from Thomas The Tank Engine. And before you comment something like “Buh, they’re trains and not humans so they don’t count, buh.” I’m well aware of that fact but they still are twins regardless of whether they’re human or not. I dare anyone to fight me.
I’m surprised that the video made no mention of Donald and Douglas, Iron Arry and Iron Bert, and the china clay twins (Bill and Ben) from Thomas The Tank Engine. And before you comment something like “Buh, they’re trains and not humans so they don’t count, buh.” I’m well aware of that fact but they still are twins regardless of whether they’re human or not. I dare anyone to fight me.
Can I just say something? I hate it, hate it, HATE IT when people call Dipper the protagonist of Gravity Falls and Mabel the deuteragonist. They're TWINS. There should be no hierarchy between which one of them is more "important." If anything, I think Mabel deserves to be the protagonist.
Totally fair. I feel like Dipper has slightly more protagonist energy personally. But I might just be saying that because I relate to him more, or because he's a little more invested in the overarching plot than Mabel.
This is a really interesting trend! I didn’t really think about it until you pointed it out and then I looked it up and >80% of Americans have a sibling- which is way more than I would have guessed, being an only child. It does explain why it’s so common in media though! A sibling of the opposite gender makes a lot of sense, for marketing, story-telling, and diversity reasons. I’m curious about the strong preference for younger siblings though versus older siblings- maybe because younger siblings give the main character a chance to be protective/mature (qualities a child audience might want to identify with)? Whereas parents and older siblings would overlap in this role, making older siblings extraneous. I’d be curious to see a similar study on parent dynamics- I’m guessing two parents is the most common (as opposed to divorced, single mom/dad or no parents on screen) but I’d be curious if there’s a preference between single mothers or fathers or if it tends to follow the opposite-gender dynamic of siblings.
Off the top of my head, I would assume the trend is for single-parents homes to have a mother, regardless of the kids' genders, because most single-parent households in real life have a mother. And if a character does live with a single dad, then Mom is probably dead, whereas with a single Mom is usually the product of divorce.
@ probably! I think the Powerpuff girls would be the most prominent exception; Dr Doofenschmirtz is the other sorta-single cartoon dad I can think of but Vanessa’s mom does pop up too so it’s more of the ‘divorced’ category. But it would still be interesting to see the numbers imo :)
I was NOT expecting to see Adventures in Odyssey on here
It seems like shows struggle with portraying twins that are identical, making them not only visually but also in terms of personality identical. I think the ducktales reboot actually did a good job at changing that as the triplets used to fall into this issue. Loud house and american dragon also got examples of that even if the twins fall under the "complete opposites" trope, which tbh is pretty good to make twins distinct as people. Meanwhile fraternal twins are almost always boy-girl pairs. Stan and Ford from gravity falls are an example of not being that or chip and dale. And i think this is probably because of the same reason why so many characters in cartoons usually have a sibling of the opposite sex. Girls and boys are different and thats always been part of dynamics between boys and girls in cartoons not just those with siblings (fairly oddparents also had episodes regarding that) And i think there is another reasoning which is also the reason why friend groups in kids shows tend to be like mc + friend of opposite sex + friend of same sex (with the rule of three being another frequently used thing which is why characters rarely have more than two siblings unless its something like loud house where the premise is one boy has a lot of sisters). Ignoring the angle of love interest (sometimes it plays a role sometimes it doesnt) having a character of the opposite sex is most likely a balancing thing and also maybe so that kids that arent the same gender as MC can relate too (which isnt to say a girl cant relate to a boy or vice versa. Its more like you may get more attached to characters of a certain gender and tbh for some people it is the opposite sex). Look at something like the TMNT (which is all brothers no sisters omg! (Ignore that one time where they had a sister)) who have a female friend. And yeah a lot of times if the MC has two siblings it will be a sister and a brother, with 2 boys + 1 girl being more frequent from my experience but i could be wrong and maybe its the opposite. Its just following that same formula again.
Most characters in anime have no siblings, or just one. Most of the time, it's a younger sister, but sometimes it's a younger brother or an older sister. I don't think I've ever watched an anime where the main character had an older brother though.
I remember really liking the sibling relationship that Carmen and Juni have in Spy Kids. They felt like real siblings to me that genuinely came to work together for each other.
You didn't mention any nonbinary kid characters
Pretty sure Mabel and Dipper Pines are based on the creator and his sister. Many creators create characters based on people they know! Duh!
Surprised you didn't bring up Maya and Miguel. They had a pretty good dynamic probably more so than most siblings mentioned here
I am a fan, and they were on one of the lists. I did have them in my collection of clips, but then I wound up not using it.
I just want to say that I appreciate hearing "sex" and not "gender" in this context!
2:42 Stewie Griffin will not be ignored
Well, Family Guy didn't fit the criteria for the list anyway, but otherwise I probably would have given Stewie special treatment.
I don't think 5:56 counts as an example. It's a retelling of a Biblical Legend, so it can't follow modern storytelling trends. Regardless, great video.
I forgot about 321 penguins
investing a sub don't let me down
Good video
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