From what I have read about Irish history and by watching this film, it seems to me that De Valera set Collins up to fail. He sent him to London to negotiate and he did the best he could. Dev should have stood by him with whatever he could have done but didn't. Any comments? I'd be glad to read them.
De Valera needed to eliminate a political rival, a man he knew was superior to him in character and ability. And that he did, by sending him to London and therefore sparing himself from the backlash that would follow the difficult question of the treaty. De Valera was a coward, Collins was not. The latter paid the price
I am not sure I agree. I think George de Valero had an idea of what to do but blundered in effectuating it. Bear in mind that most of the Irish Republican Army sided with De Valero.
Michael Collins "just let them walk away" as Cast sung "walk away" and De valera was a Fool because they laid down their weapons in the end because it was futile Should of stood with Micheal but you chose to walk away
@@MarkHarrison733 😂😂😂 Yeah my ancestors were k1lled for speaking their own language, farmers stripped of their land ownership and having small bits of their land rented back to them 😂 over a million people dying of starvation and disease due to British policies and millions scattered to the corners of the world 😂 Go read a book you simpleton.
@davebrayfb Collins had more influence, though due to the fact that he was President of the Irish Republican Brotherhood. Brugha was bitter because as Minister for Defense, he was supposed to be in charge of the IRA, but the IRA didn’t listen to him, they listened to Collins. It’s a good thing that they did because it was his guerrilla tactics that won the war and got the British to want to negotiate. I respect Brugha a lot for nearly giving his life during the Easter Rising, but if had his way, the IRA would have gone up against the British in conventional warfare and would have lost for sure.
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From what I have read about Irish history and by watching this film, it seems to me that De Valera set Collins up to fail. He sent him to London to negotiate and he did the best he could. Dev should have stood by him with whatever he could have done but didn't. Any comments? I'd be glad to read them.
De Valera needed to eliminate a political rival, a man he knew was superior to him in character and ability. And that he did, by sending him to London and therefore sparing himself from the backlash that would follow the difficult question of the treaty. De Valera was a coward, Collins was not. The latter paid the price
@@voiceof98 I mean both were in the rebellion in 1916.
I am not sure I agree. I think George de Valero had an idea of what to do but blundered in effectuating it. Bear in mind that most of the Irish Republican Army sided with De Valero.
Look at us now. A vassal state of the EU condemned to abandon our borders to the 3rd world and Islamism
I don't believe Collins would have coseyd up to the Catholic Church like De Velera did.
Was Collins not buried with a mass from a Catholic church?
No but he borrowed artillery from Churchill to kill Irishmen.
You do realise the Catholic Church was on his side during the Irish Civil War (1922-1923) right?
Collins was a terrorist who murdered his own people using weapons from the British.
The greatest. Without question.
Collins was a giant amongst pigmys
He was a terrorist who murdered his own people using weapons from the British.
Michael Collins "just let them walk away" as Cast sung "walk away" and De valera was a Fool because they laid down their weapons in the end because it was futile Should of stood with Micheal but you chose to walk away
He was a terrorist who murdered his own people using weapons from the British.
Collins betrayed Ireland, which is why the IRA killed him.
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Quinn dealt the raw hand there
He's be turning in his grave now I'd say 😢
It’s so sad that the Irish fought so hard for the Republic and now it’s no better than their British oppressors.
@@HolyRomanEmperor90 There was no "oppression".
@@MarkHarrison733 😂😂😂 Yeah my ancestors were k1lled for speaking their own language, farmers stripped of their land ownership and having small bits of their land rented back to them 😂 over a million people dying of starvation and disease due to British policies and millions scattered to the corners of the world 😂 Go read a book you simpleton.
@@RazorMouth None of that ever happened.
@@HolyRomanEmperor90 nonsense
The actor playing Cathal Brugha is so good and looks just like him.
The actor playing Arthur Griffith Looks a lot like the real Arthur Griffith aswell
@@bobbybaratheon4647 Make up.
@davebrayfb They both betrayed Ireland.
@davebrayfb Collins had more influence, though due to the fact that he was President of the Irish Republican Brotherhood. Brugha was bitter because as Minister for Defense, he was supposed to be in charge of the IRA, but the IRA didn’t listen to him, they listened to Collins. It’s a good thing that they did because it was his guerrilla tactics that won the war and got the British to want to negotiate. I respect Brugha a lot for nearly giving his life during the Easter Rising, but if had his way, the IRA would have gone up against the British in conventional warfare and would have lost for sure.
@@HolyRomanEmperor90 The IRA lost, which is why it killed Collins after he had betrayed Ireland.