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Most mods lack the care of non creator points creators, all they are interested in is greed for power and have a high position than you

it's absolutely "terrifying" and "unreal" how "horrific" ally the rating system can "catastrophic" ally fail and turn hours of creating into "nil"

this is exactly what i am witnessing. getting my music whitelisted feels like a completely unattainable task, and i do have friends in higher places. i asked *two* people (one is a mod and one is a content creator, not naming them) to get my newgrounds whitelisted. 3-4 months ago. and nothing. it really left a bitter taste in my mouth and it genuinely demotivates me to even get involved in the community. thank you for sharing this video

Very cool :)

How did he dead BTW

Honestly regardless of how broken or unfair the rating system is. You legit have to be friended with a mod or have a creator point to get near to getting a rate. At that point, I just make my levels purely to get into the magic tab (and yes the magic tab does have a lot of slops and copy + paste demons) but there's some good featured worthy levels in the magic tab and as long I get over 1k downloads, I'm already happy that many people take just a second to play my level. Although I do want to make another point that I've commented on Ausk, video about being a moderator is that mods are basically a bridge between the community and robtop, they are just a normal players just like us. Even as a creator with at least 4 rated levels on my account, I still felt like everyone else who doesn't have any creator point. Not having any direct/close connection with any well-known creators or moderators in the community really makes this much harder for anyone who is respected or well known in the community to even suggest or play your levels. If you make a feature worthy level and you don't have a creator point, it's really hard for others to actually respect with your work. Only if you do have the creator point then people would actually treat you like a good creator. It's pretty much, you make good level but no creator point, no one cared but you make good level but with creator point, everyone liked your level. So I purely make levels simply for fun and not aiming for a rate anymore as I've given that long time ago. Just make levels that you are proud of and don't focus too much on getting your level sent or rated.

That Rob is alone to check 10.000 rate worthy levels per month does not work, good video showing ideas of what could be done better. Rob can’t see everything that gets sent, and it’s clear that many creators gets 10+ sends without results for months or years…

waiting for robtop to just comment "agreed" and fix everything

I once had a gd friend tell me that their level was rejected by a mod because the camera rotated back and forth (subtly, you know). Fortunately, the level is featured now.

a mod who will not be named refused to send project buzzkill because "he wasn't feeling it," just for it to get featured on the first send. this is the same mod who has refused levels that have received epic+ when rated, so a lot of these guys are deeply unserious and should be demoted

and hear me out: just expand who actually can give stars:

I would say it's more like Terrifying Difficulty.

Another easy solution: - Have each moderator rate 2-3 levels from the magic tab every day - Also have robtop check the magic tab every day to rate levels - Sort 'Sent' tab by number of sends so that levels that have been sent more get more attention from rob (I had my level get sent 15 times and it got rated after 6 months), then remove the levels from the tab after rob has checked them - Give direct feedback to the creator about how their levels have been sent and rob's verdict on the level (as of now there is no way to tell if rob has seen your level unless it is rated)

Robtop hire this man 🔥🔥🔥

When I've been on so many damn request streams and can count on one hand the amount of times my levels got played, there's something up man. At some point, you gotta say "something's wrong here" The literal RNG scramble streams are just demoralizing

Idea! make more people moderators.

Today I played a level with gore in it..

rob top rob top

There is a video by Hypo I believe which addresses some of the points in the video. I think it’s interesting to point them out so I’m gonna be paraphrasing from that video: 1. Mods get their role for other reasons than sending levels. Mainly as a sort of support role I guess when there are problems within the community, they represent robtop. At least that’s the reason hypo pointed out. 2. Sending levels isn’t a responsibility but a privilege. No mod actually has the responsibility to send levels for rate ever basically, they can do it if they want to. Which means that if a mod doesn’t want to send levels they do their job perfectly fine. This also goes to the 3rd point which is that since they do it without it being a payed job or responsibility they can do it whenever they want and for a mod to actually get demoted they need to leave the community for a long time not the game itself. Reply if I got something wrong. Now as for you suggestions. I think the form in game is a great idea and them getting payed is great too, although that’s probably gonna be very rough at first, not sure if Rob can even pay to 100+ mods. If they are not payed I think it’s very scummy of you to require like you’re their boss for them to do something they aren’t paid nor have the responsibility to do.

Literally if you did any reasearch amoeba was demoted for breaking rules (leaking modchats and sharing the ability to send level with others) and lets not forget the fact that some moderators actually take dm requests and also they have life outside sending levels , which they would step down if they thought that its taking too much of their time or they just have no time. It doesnt matter if those seemingly "inactive" mods dont send levels , they are dealt with their inactivity later on and you also did not provided a good example of such (I can tell you one example who didn't opened their requests for long , being ex-mod YakobNugget) I'd agree that there could be a formal system of sorts , maybe list of moderator which could be displayed in game and have their social media attached to them perhaps , but other then that , I think in background moderators do check and send levels. Only issue I would actually point out (which you for some reason did not even considered) is how robtop rates the level , being he goes through recently sent levels (maybe sometimes goes back a few pages) , which means that sends has to be timed in a way and we also dont know when robtop does rate levels so thats an added factor so perhaps he could use those filters often and maybe rate levels from 10th - 20th page which could give each send an equal chance I stand by the fact rate system needs a revamp but this video makes me embarassed with that opinion 😭

I've given up on the rate system. It's just too outdated and stubborn. Not many of the levels I'm into even involve the bastards that much. It's just a waste of time and energy for me to care.

umm is that a jtoh reference

lowkey i think paying mods to do some of this work would be nice, would help solve the issue of someone without any connections to get their lvl seen even then, i think a lot of it comes down to rob himself and the fact that he just doesn't rate everything that's sent

Efext and Amoeba were both demoted not because of high/low standards but because of breaking the moderator guidelines (ex. Amoeba leaking private messages, letting other people on his account to use mod sends) where did you get that info about them being demoted because of their standards for level sends?

I have a simple fix, make me a moderator, I do level requests very often, so why not let me suggest them to RobTop as well?

2:23 no way my level Wulzember was in this video lol…

fun fact: every mod has their level request servers closed or have them open only 5 minutes a month...

Big smart fella

Mods not taking requests is so dumb i dont get it

"irresponsible" y'know mod don't just take level requests, some don't and it's perfectly okay.

The game could implement a voting system to for players to vote which levels should get rated. If this was done in a short time period, the moderators wouldn't have to deal with so many levels and neither would Robtop. This would help solve problems at the source and let the community have a say on the levels too

Not even a mention of Stormfly in the description among others?

At the end of the day RobTop created the game, and he can do whatever he would like with it. I think it is unanimously agreed upon that the current system is here to stay for a while, as he's essentially getting people to work for him for free. Sure, inactive mods are definitely annoying to the player base, but from his perspective, it doesn't matter as there are 80 other mods who are "working" for free. It is very obvious that RobTop is a money hungry guy (I can expand if there is interest), and the current rate system doesn't really pose any issues to majority of the player base. Also, we gotta remember that this is his game, and at the end of the day, he makes the calls around what levels are rated and not. There realistically is nothing we can do about it.

I don't think moderators should *have* to do level requests, maybe they prefer to find levels through other methods. Also, having an in-game form would be a terrible idea, it would be so easy to spam the forms. I do think more general moderator forms should exist in the official GD server, where any mods could review the levels in the forms if they wish, instead of relying on level request streams (god no) or joining random moderator servers. Also, elder moderators do more than send levels, they can delete levels, delete comments, as well as moderate the leaderboards and (in some cases) work with Robtop directly on events and stuff.

Could not help but not you are a part of the BTD6 maplist server. How has it been there since derpskull left?

coming from a creator with 20 cp and nearly a decade of creating experience: good video, i agree with most of the points. this is actually one of the reasons why i don't enjoy the game as much as i used to which eventually led me to fully quit creating decorated levels. i have made a meltdown styled level 2.5 years ago that went unrated up until early october last year, i have gifted the level to a friend of mine with a slightly reworked version of the level and in just a few days, it got rated. the very first version (Sedam Mora) is still up on my acc, and the current version (Tiro Duet) is up on xMimoGD's acc in case you're interested. one thing that pissed me off when i first made the level is that other meltdown styled levels were getting rated while mine just... didn't, "striker" by gepsoni is an example. the level is much more simpler than mine, and the mods were actually sending that level while only one of them have sent mine for star rate. i really didn't like the fact that i had to improve the level in order for it to be finally rated while top creators can get rates on their levels with not as much effort as literally any other creator. the standards of some mods are just absurd, and i feel like they're the reason why the rating system is bad which is also another reason why i don't enjoy the game anymore. i have genuinely lost faith in the rating and mod system the moment i noticed that it all started going downhill.

4:50 I disagree I'll do this for free, someones gotta be the one to send Holy Flipperoni by TheRealDarnoc

Great video 11s.

idont like the moderation steam and i think i should bea moderator

a big problem is that getting mod nowadays mostly comes down to being friends with other mods

I remember a few years ago, while trying to send one of my level that some mods were completely useless and sending like 5 levels a month 😭

i don't think it's fair to force activity from mods, stuff can come up out of nowhere and cause them to be busy for a while (such as army duties which happened a couple times this year) and while they can voluntarily step down for the time they are inactive, it's also just more hassle and i think they should be allowed to keep their position with the promise that they will return to moderating once they are free again also, mod's servers being closed for ages doesn't necessarily mean they aren't doing their job as a mod, since i'm pretty sure they DO get demoted after a time of not sending anything. some mods just prefer to find levels ingame, maybe via the magic tab or recommendations from others personally i feel the best way to fix the issue is to automatically rate levels after a certain number of sends (especially demons since rob barely rates those), it's ridiculous that levels with over 30 sends can go unnoticed simply because rob doesn't rate enough stuff

i absolutley love how robtop intentionally hides the rate standarts. it truly makes feature or no rate a real thing

if rob rates too many levels, the levels dont get as much attention. if every rate-worthy level got rated it wouldnt be very special

its a bit frustrating how amoeba and ares got demodded because their rate standards weren't high enough. robtop can just IGNORE levels he deems unrateworthy

I agree with a lot of your points, but im sorry man the solutions you put are just not good at all. The integrated system I do agree with, what I dont agree with is paying mods or having a grace period for requests. Many mods dont even take requests and just find levels that are cool and send them which is understandably frustrating, but it is completely fair. The grace period system also is just bad wnd ridiculous especially considering a time frame of 1 to 2 months is ridiculous. I accepted requests from a send server for a bit and I can attest to the fact that evaluating the level is much harder than it seems for levels bordering personal send boundaries. Also directly paying mods is the worst thing ever. It could potentially encourage mods to not be honest, send whatever you show them and a lot of other things. It could also encourage people to pay mods to send their levels. While I do agree with most of your video, I dont agree on a lot of the solutions.

Find me robtop I'd be the most responsible mod ever (if you make me a mod)

Very true

Klau gd 😃👍

completely agree everything in this video. me and several people i know have made levels with 10+ (even 20+) sends that havent gotten rated and the way mods most take requests makes it so much more frustrating and demotivating (the ones that take dm requests are true lifesavers though)