The Order of Fire
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The Myth of The First Men #thefirstmen #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar #orderoffire
The Myth of The First Men, summarized from Fire in the Dark.
The Order of Fire is a movement dedicated to the pursuit of masculine virtue in mind and body.
The Fire represents our Solar, orienting point of light - the fiery axis of that Order.
From a starting point beyond any one people or religion, we use the unprecedented access to information that man has today to evaluate ideas, symbols, and traditions from the past and integrate them into our own unique system.
Our god-archetypes are not literal gods - but ideals that represent the best aspects of man and his different roles. The ordering Father is the father beyond all fathers, kings, and high priests. The Striker represents all warriors and heroes across time and culture. The Lord of the Earth represents the aspect of man that works to perpetuate Order in everyday life - the builder, the farmer, the craftsman and family man.
Any man who understands and agrees with our ideas - as outlined in The Manifesto of Solar Culture and the book Fire in the Dark - is encouraged to identify as a Solar Idealist and share these ideas with other men who might benefit from them.
We consider you part of the Order of Fire’s “Greater Mandala” - which essentially means “world.”
JOIN THE FIRST MEN
If you want to become part of the driving force behind The Order of Fire and interact every day with men who are working to become the best versions of themselves as they explore myths from around the world and discuss the great questions of our time…
If your want to meet other men with the same values, attend our internal events, train together, participate in collaborative projects, and bring these ideas to life in ritual.
Consider applying to join The Order of Fire’s First Men.
We are not another self-help group or get-rich-quick club.
The First Men is a little bit more like a new, visionary fraternal organization.
Imagine being one of the first Freemasons…
APPLY TO JOIN THE FIRST MEN
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🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.
Learn more about his work at www.jack-donovan.com/sowilo/
Connect with Jack Donovan:
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Agni - The Vedic God of Fire अ॒ग्नि #myth #rigveda #comparativereligion #archetypes
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Who is Agni? A brief introduction to the Vedic god of fire presented by Jack Donovan, author of Fire in the Dark and founder of The Order of Fire and The First Men. This video is part of the Order of Fire’s series on The Vedic Gods, and is not meant to express a Hindu perspective on Agni. For some in-depth thoughts from a Hindu perspective, read this essay from Achintya Venkatesh: achintyavenka...
Fitness Challenge | 100 Hindu Squat Challenge #orderoffire #fitness #hindusquat
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Fitness Challenge | 100 Hindu Squat Challenge #orderoffire #fitness #hindusquat
The Vedic Gods | What is Rig Veda? #myth #indra #agni #maruts #solaridealism
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Gorilla Walk Challenge
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How to Practice Shamanism | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #shaman #animism
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Ma Bu | Fitness Challenge #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
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Problems with Germanic Paganism
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Why Beowulf is Relevant Today | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture
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Ireland - The Order of Fire visits Knowth and Newgrange. Fire ritual. #megalithic #prehistoric
The Order of Fire - Who We Are #orderoffire #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
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The Order of Fire - Who We Are #orderoffire #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
Views from Delphi | #delphi #ancientgreek #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar #apollo
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Views from Delphi | #delphi #ancientgreek #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar #apollo
Plato's Academy and Aristotle's Lyceum | #philosophy #plato #ancientgreekphilosophy #athens
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Plato's Academy and Aristotle's Lyceum | #philosophy #plato #ancientgreekphilosophy #athens
The Trial of Socrates | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #solarculture #philosophy #plato
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The Trial of Socrates | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #solarculture #philosophy #plato
Solar Meditation | #meditation #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
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Solar Meditation | #meditation #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
An Introduction to Solar Idealism #solaridealism #staysolar #philosophy
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An Introduction to Solar Idealism #solaridealism #staysolar #philosophy
On Goodness | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
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On Goodness | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
On Men and Mountains | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #solarculture #solaridealism #staysolar
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Invocation of the Storm | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #solarculture #solaridealism
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The Táin - Irish Pronunciation (Part 1: Names) #Táin #irish #pronunciation
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The Táin - Irish Pronunciation (Part 1: Names) #Táin #irish #pronunciation
Magic and Modernism - Part 2 | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #magic #philosophy #solar
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Magic and Modernism - Part 2 | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #magic #philosophy #solar
Adventures in India and Filling the Day with Life -- PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #india
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Adventures in India and Filling the Day with Life PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #india
Magic and Modernism | PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture #solaridealism #philosophy #myth #magic
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @varangianventure
    @varangianventure 2 дні тому

    Like the style episode this was another superb discussion and I wouldn't mind more of these. I'm 79kg 176,5cm guy who's been struggling with weight most of my adult life. (35 years now). I'm finally on track to drop to below 25BMI for the first time in my adult life. This episode mentioned AJAC (Ajac Cortes) who's programs are truly helpful. I'd also give shout outs to Ethan Buck and Zack Stength. Right now I'm on a Keto diet with occasional carb feed ups. I also truly get it that this is such an trial and error concept and so many of us have tried so many various things. Stay Solar gentlemen!

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire День тому

      Great to hear and yes, AJAC and Ethan Buck are both trustworthy sources of fitness information.

  • @metalhead5284
    @metalhead5284 3 дні тому

    I can't figure out how to access the Discord. The link via email says expired.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire День тому

      If you haven't been able to get in yet, shoot me an email at theorderoffire@gmail.com

  • @metalhead5284
    @metalhead5284 3 дні тому

    Resi electrician here. I personally do not wrap my tools in electrical tape but I am very careful. Depending on your specific specialty you will likely get shocked anyway. I agree with the display of electrical license on your person. People notice that.

  • @metalhead5284
    @metalhead5284 3 дні тому

    Creating your own pantheon of ideas bro

  • @QuestforaMeaningfulLife
    @QuestforaMeaningfulLife 5 днів тому

    10-part series on Moby Dick!🐋 Just kidding but there are enough good quotes in there for a couple shows for sure

  • @srhays
    @srhays 6 днів тому

    I like to wear cologne on occasion as well (I use Brut, because my dad wore it, and also because Stallone drives a Brut truck in Over the Top). Although I'm never quite sure how much to apply. I often hear women complaining about men who wear too much cologne, or body spray, and I don't want to be "that guy" who smells like a perfume factory. Is there a good rule of thumb on how much cologne to apply? And where to apply it?

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire 4 дні тому

      Classic choice. If I recall correctly that is not a spray, so it is harder to judge. Some people just don't like cologne, so they really can't be pleased. With a spray, more than one spray is probably too much. If I feel like I over did it ever, sometimes I use a wet towel and blot it off.

    • @srhays
      @srhays 4 дні тому

      @@orderoffire Cool. I may be overdoing it a tad, then. I usually just splash a half teaspoon or so in my palm and spread it around. A spray is probably a better idea.

  • @Norascats
    @Norascats 6 днів тому

    I received a comment relating to a personal comment I made earlier. Unfortunately, I cannot reply directly to this person. He claims to know more about my personal reading habits than I do, and chooses yo ignore the personal experience which people my age have gone through.. We must not forget the very dark shadow the Nazis cast upon Europe and the US. I regret that these atrocities have been repeated several times since then. Sorry for disrupting the flow of conversation.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire 6 днів тому

      I delete the neo-nazi comments that come after the initial reactions. They are obsessed, mentally ill losers with nothing to do but create multiple anonymous profiles -- but not enough talent to make their own videos. If they showed their faces, no one would respect them anyway.

  • @williamsontrent2381
    @williamsontrent2381 7 днів тому

    Wonder what the thoughts are on wearing kilts? Really got me thinking about it during the whole "only wear pants" segment.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire 6 днів тому

      When people see a man in a kilt, they think, "Look at me! I'm wearing a kilt!" They're ceremonial clothing for the Scottish in Scotland and may be appropriate at the Highland Games. People tried to popularize "utilikilts" in the PNW but they kind of went with vibram five finger shoes in terms of being a way to say "I'm interesting" really loud without having a personality.

  • @gavinrolls1054
    @gavinrolls1054 7 днів тому

    none of this is true for me so i don't really know what shrooms you're on about. what you're describing seems like folkism/odinism and larpers and not real reconstructed germanic paganism.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire 6 днів тому

      Who has outlined the "real reconstructed germanic paganism" you're talking about? I'm very familiar with the scope of the scene in America from left wing etsy witches to right wing folkish heathens/odinists, the afa, and the people I've interviewed in the middle like academics Nordvig and Brute Norse. If you think you're practicing something that has been accurately reconstructed in the absence of significant source material, that's fine. I don't care. This video is about why I don't practice it and why my group doesn't practice it.

  • @thanos6643
    @thanos6643 10 днів тому

    It was a cloud that block out the sun

  • @varangianventure
    @varangianventure 10 днів тому

    This was an enjoyable listen. I'd love to hear more about mens fashion and aestethics tbh.

  • @QuestforaMeaningfulLife
    @QuestforaMeaningfulLife 17 днів тому

    I wonder where the James Bond sort of character fits as an archetype. Maybe a mix of warrior and trickster? I’ve also heard Conan described as “the James Bond of sword & sorcery”. Makes me think of that “barbarian with a zest for life” archetype as the same idea. Would it be fitting to think of Odysseus as a sort of ancient Greek James Bond? lol

  • @scottwhitemyer5501
    @scottwhitemyer5501 20 днів тому

    would like to hear more from Mr. Smith

  • @broadbandtogod
    @broadbandtogod 22 дні тому

    19:20 note to self

  • @InterplanetareFreiheitTV-br9mn
    @InterplanetareFreiheitTV-br9mn 25 днів тому

    Episch.💪🇩🇪

  • @user-cu3ok8ij5b
    @user-cu3ok8ij5b Місяць тому

    I just finished up Book X. Really enjoyed this series. I get Plato and the philosophy grind isn’t for everyone. I don’t think it’s easy for anyone haha. That said, people are missing out by not putting in the work. Thanks for taking the time to discuss. Looking forward to the content ahead. ⚡️

  • @scoon2117
    @scoon2117 Місяць тому

    Plato is buried here

  • @scoon2117
    @scoon2117 Місяць тому

    This is what all acdemies will look like.

  • @cantabrian1009
    @cantabrian1009 Місяць тому

    I love these discussions and really appreciate the thought and flow within them - Thank you. On a side note, there have been several times where I've found myself cackling with laughter as well. Keep the fire burning!

  • @Sylentmana
    @Sylentmana Місяць тому

    If it’s not supernatural then it’s not magic. Changing the definition of what magic is does not make it so.

  • @Sylentmana
    @Sylentmana Місяць тому

    The sun doesn’t like me. I burn to a crisp at the slightest exposure.

  • @Sylentmana
    @Sylentmana Місяць тому

    Modern paganism seems like religion LARPing to me.

  • @Orville9999
    @Orville9999 Місяць тому

    as the one guy still here, sad to see the republic series end. Been following jack since the old spearhead days and I could swear his audience was bigger than this. I don't want to sound tinfoil hat but I feel like someone at youtube has their thumb on the scale.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire Місяць тому

      I don't think it's about that. My "Jack Donovan" audience is much bigger than this, but Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire exclude a lot of guys who might be interested in other things I would post about masculinity, etc. (Tons of Christians, for instance) . Then, there is a big gap between guys who are interested in my work and even big fans -- and guys who are going to methodically go through Plato's Republic with us. If I went on my main profile and dropped a hot take about another masculinity influencer or something in the news, the result would be very different. The Order of Fire is kind of like restarting from scratch.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire Місяць тому

      And by the way -- thanks for following along and listening.

    • @Orville9999
      @Orville9999 Місяць тому

      @@orderoffire thanks for all the content!

  • @Wadehinson
    @Wadehinson Місяць тому

    This is great, has part 2 posted?

  • @Am-ih5nf
    @Am-ih5nf Місяць тому

    Just ask your local Hindu to attend a havan and you’ll see we still connect with Agni exactly as you described regularly, from birth to death. Om Agnaye swaha, idam namama.

  • @edrachel6251
    @edrachel6251 Місяць тому

    Exactly what I needed today. Thanks!

  • @Bjorn_Algiz
    @Bjorn_Algiz Місяць тому

    Interesting channel 😊❤ love the work!

  • @Bjorn_Algiz
    @Bjorn_Algiz Місяць тому

    Very interesting! 😮❤

  • @Noob-uk4np
    @Noob-uk4np Місяць тому

    Let make it clear, theory that Aryan were European or something it has proven completely wrong with the new findings of chariots in India ( Sinalui). That proves that India has horses.we had chariots older than any known civilization on earth. It will take time to be removed in textbooks about this Arayan invasion or picnic theory. Why don't you start with your video.

    • @sahilsingh6048
      @sahilsingh6048 Місяць тому

      Sinauoi chariots werent chariots , but carts , carts are different from chariots, the wheels belonged to carts , its confirmed , and before you Raise Saraswati arguement , its also a misconception created by pseudo historians.

    • @sahilsingh6048
      @sahilsingh6048 Місяць тому

      Aryans didnt migrate , there is no prove , it was an assimilation .

  • @NeutroniousTemp
    @NeutroniousTemp Місяць тому

    Hey order of fire Why dont you hear me out about this new religion I created its the worship of the dopamine god, the god of free pleasure, success and also logic. Mind you that humans have the highest concentration of dopamine in their brains in the animal kingdom and dopamine was and still is the secret weapon behind humanities success as the apex being on earth. Every god in human existence would not be possible without dopamine, every divine experience someone has, is really just (mediated by) dopamine, every god in human existence thus was a manifestation of the dopamine god. Dopamine is the key to success

  • @NeutroniousTemp
    @NeutroniousTemp Місяць тому

    As an afghan pashtun, 2andme confirmed that I have scandinavian y dna going back countless generations. As an aryan I feel quite close to my germanic kin and I must say that cursing other races for the sake of it (ie blacks, jews) is stupid and immoral however at the same time there is nothing wrong about having pride in your warrior ancestry and wanting to preserve it by "having white babies", every other race has the that same ethos. So I wouldn't blame modern white odinists for wanting that same thing for their race/heritage

  • @nickwestendorf1448
    @nickwestendorf1448 Місяць тому

    I thought they were seeing the shadows of carts being pulled behind them, not puppets? But maybe that's a different version.

    • @caffeineandphilosophy
      @caffeineandphilosophy Місяць тому

      It's described in the following way: "Between the fire and the prisoners there is a road above, along which see a wall, built like the partitions puppet-handlers set in front of the human beings and over which they show the puppets. Then also see along this wall human beings carrying all sorts of artifacts, which project above the wall..."

  • @edrachel6251
    @edrachel6251 Місяць тому

    Totally off-topic video production question: what lighting do you use in the background? Love them. Anyone is free to answer if you know. Thanks.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire Місяць тому

      The two lamps were from Amazon if that's what you're asking about. Updated mid-century modern futurist vibe.

    • @edrachel6251
      @edrachel6251 Місяць тому

      @@orderoffireThank you. My 23 year old son and I have been enjoying your videos. Thank you again for this important work.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire Місяць тому

      @@edrachel6251 Great to hear

  • @theghostcore
    @theghostcore Місяць тому

    I will say I agree with many assessments. 80% and your message. What I'd say though is there are merits to study of orient traditions in mystery schools. I agree with utu ra fire solar activity. I think there are neurological aspects that can be obtained through applied study of these things. I don't think you don't value this as you use the illiterations and images of these ideas(what you could say). (Oh and the section 4 beginning music is fire 🔥 😉😁). I think stripped down gnosicism also could be a benefit like meditation and mind over matter or subtle energy exercises could be cool giving structure. For instance? I think many men feel this now? Is that environmental or some inner spirit tied to the Aten or father or fire spirit? Things you've probably thought about but I'd not neglect to mention.

  • @theghostcore
    @theghostcore Місяць тому

    I enjoy your cantor. I also enjoyed that you kept down to earth and didn't go too new agey with it.

  • @gustavderkits8433
    @gustavderkits8433 Місяць тому

    Why have any rules at all? Or how about, “ Bach or bive but on alternate Tuesdays it’s pronounced differently, according to your mood, except when Tuesdays falls on a feast day or when the bishop farted. “

  • @anfyro8059
    @anfyro8059 2 місяці тому

    Your tshirt says "Rit" what does it mean?

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire Місяць тому

      Ṛta in Sanskrit. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B9%9Ata Cosmic order.

  • @123bcjnv
    @123bcjnv 2 місяці тому

    One of the best compilation. Out of the box, simple yet meaningful .

  • @adityarana5808
    @adityarana5808 2 місяці тому

    Whose trident is it? Poseidon? Shiva? Satan?

  • @garyunwin1469
    @garyunwin1469 2 місяці тому

    Love the energy from your community, bro shiva is present in the veda just in a more primordial form of rudra and sada shiva which too potrays an infinite column of fire the masculine essence Also make a video on the valor of the sun god

  • @AkshaySingh-zs1xt
    @AkshaySingh-zs1xt 2 місяці тому

    When I saw the thumbnail, I thought valorant got a new agent dawg.

  • @sonsofyngve
    @sonsofyngve 2 місяці тому

    I am loving this. I would love to know your guys' opinions on the works of Julius Evola.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire 2 місяці тому

      I have never been a fan of Evola, honestly. His "world of Tradition" is an occultist's fantasy that became a driving fantasy of the "alt-right" in the early 2010s and has basically become a persistent memetic theme in that world -- for plebs who fancy themselves aristocrats of the soul living in a doomed age. On the left, he is believed to be a primary source of all RW thought and I've had my own thoughts attributed to him in academic papers, which is irritating, given my low opinion of his work. I enjoyed his book on mountain climbing. - JD

  • @jnapier32
    @jnapier32 2 місяці тому

    Interesting conversation thank you for sharing it, I'd be curious to hear this same kind of discussion on truth. It seems incongruent that solar culture would not hold to absolute ideals of goodness (in reference to what is said at 8:50) just because the sun is such an obvious symbol of the Absolute, whether that's truth, goodness, power etc. other wise there would be a greater light in the sky above it that we could look to (there is nothing higher than the sun, at least symbolically and therefore inherently it's absolute). if you think about it in relation to light the sun is the origin of all light and is thus white (contrary to popular belief the sun is not yellow but white) as it is the absolute point of origin and synthesis of all colors, and as it moves down to earth it differentiates into the spectrum of color. and then as it descends further colors become once again undifferentiated into blackness (look up ostwalds color chart). Typing this out it seems like what the Order of Fire is proposing is that is each man becomes his own star, that there is no one absolute Source like the sun, but billions of stars all valid in their own time in place coming in and out of existence. So it's not so much solar idealism but stellar idealism, that we can each find our own star to reach for rather than all reaching for the same one.

  • @godpunisher
    @godpunisher 2 місяці тому

    Myth is a very disrespectful word for Vedas & Puranas. They are called itihasa or history. The existence of Agni or fire is not a myth.

    • @JackDonovan
      @JackDonovan 2 місяці тому

      You're right, fire is not a myth.

    • @edhamann9147
      @edhamann9147 2 місяці тому

      Really, Vedas are śruti and puranas are smriti. It is Mahabharata and Ramayana that are itihasas.

  • @nickwestendorf1448
    @nickwestendorf1448 2 місяці тому

    Jacks "Huh huh...ya Know".... love it.

  • @redteck
    @redteck 2 місяці тому

    Thanks guys, I'm enjoying these a lot! I'd love to catch you live, but you're on a little late for this old East coaster.

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire 2 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching and letting us know.

  • @दिव्यांशः
    @दिव्यांशः 2 місяці тому

    As a Hindu I really appreciate your work, keep it up!

  • @alexbenzing5993
    @alexbenzing5993 2 місяці тому

    I just found your work a couple days ago! Reading your book Fire in the Dark now.. I’m beyond grateful for your work! Everything you say and have put together sits with me very well!! I have 4 young boys, and I wanted to raise them in a way that has a life affirming attitude, I’ve been studying all the old myths, religions, archetype, gods, hero’s, evolution, ancient cultures, spiritual practices, modern psychology, and philosophy, science, biology, and I’ve been seeing the connections of it all in hope in finding a path for raising my family, especially since I have 4 boys who will one day become men.

  • @rameshdevasi6720
    @rameshdevasi6720 2 місяці тому

    i hope you also talk about gods hidden esoteric meanings and etymology

    • @orderoffire
      @orderoffire 2 місяці тому

      What does "hidden esoteric meaning" actually mean? Usually, it means a particular guru or cult leader's idiosyncratic interpretation, which they try to convince people is the "true, ancient, or secret," meaning that they actually cannot possibly know.

  • @sahilsingh6048
    @sahilsingh6048 2 місяці тому

    Dyaus pitr next