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didnt agree with most of it, but good video :)

Has Blizzard done any meaningful content that is class specific since class order halls in Legion? I haven't seen much, and that's a shame.

spider land had so much potential but was not fleshed out, the rumors and the factions were grinded out in 8 weeks.

I swear, the Suramar questline/completing all the quests in that freaking zone was longer than the combined four questlines of each zone in the TWW!

Legion fucking sucked

I don't think Ash Kahet (or whatever it's called) is bad, it was pretty decent in my opinion

I would just sit in Shal'Aran for hours and listen to the music. Suramar had one of the best soundtracks in the entirety of modern WoW and was an absolute masterpiece all around. I'll never forget the first time stepping into this zone after being the realm first level 110 character doing the questline in an area so serene, fascinating, beautiful and completely devoid of other players. That zone is a one-of-a-kind experience.

Here’s how you know TWW is better than SL, reason number 539: I missed Withered Army Training during SL. I’d have taken that over Yet Another Torghast Run or Yet Another Maw Assault any day. Nothing I am regularly doing in TWW makes me long for the bad old days of making sure I didn’t lose a single withered or else my entire run was in vain because I couldn’t open that chest.

20:44 nope I tuned you out after you said this crazy shit.

Forget Suramar, there will never be another Legion. ...at least until Legion Classic of course.

2:31 the stock footage of the girl fiddlnig with a joystick and slamming the button of a claw machine that is clearly not moving is crazy

it was a zone with lots of effort and layers. blizz cant do it n have the done anything good since legion?

An ilussion... What are you hiding?

In my opinion Legion was the best expansion by far and I played since Vanilla.

The big problem with Anima was it felt like you had to get SOOOO much of it compared to azerite or artifact power. And then the maw being a no mount zone, I didn’t want to fly but atleast let me used ground mount, come on. I quit just after patch 9.1, having played since eu release in 2005, sole because that grind started to feel like a japanese mmo..

Really excited for Midnight and Playet Housing. I do like Azj Kahat though !

Grew to love this zone's story after having to go through it for the Nightborne allied race quest (I initially avoided this zone simply because of the ancient mana grind, which I now find rather satisfying), really loved that you covered it! :D

"Suramar was lightning in a bottle" bro it was just chores relax

Well after much time has passed with now have dracthyr who's visage form looks like an elf and soon humans and kul tirans will have a half elf ear customization so even MORE elves.

I literally had no issue with grinding AP, it honestly barely made a difference, in end game, a few levels were about 1-2% power difference, which I see as totally fine (equivalent to grinding dungeons for preferred loot); but it felt like you were doing something. And the real issue with Azj-Kahet is that you have probably already finished the raid by the time they narrative of the zone is even ramping up. The leveling up you do in like no time, and then they just sprinkle some random short quests that you do on a seemingly random order and cadence with the characters there so the pace and order of the narrative is all messed up, like wtf? Makes no sense. Same with dungeons, we can do a bunch of dungeons from the start that do not fit in the current narrative whatsoever. Why are not exploring what it means to the average nerubian to get ruled over by a Queen that is basically forcing them into the void, a thing they denied for generations. The evolution they go through with the blood infusions? Are we really not digging deep into what it means to have you or people close to you be transformed into these things? Even unwillingly! And I don't even yet understand why are we even in this zones... Why do we care about these people? We are... trying to follow the visions? Stop Xal? What are we exactly doing? Why is the assault on the Nerub Palace even neccesary? In the nighthold we were literally preventing the fallen titan to get awakened in a new all powerfull avatar. But here? I guess we just want to prevent spider dudes to get even more voidy cause we don't like that. Kinda of a weak argument, and with due respect, it's not like I care about the nerubian people down here much, so I don't really get why I am helping them. At least in legion it was full stated that the nightborne were powerfull people, with a very strategic point on the war against the legion, so taking it for them to our side would be crucial. Doesn't feel like that with the current plot, Xal discards the nerubians like nothing, like we all were expecting. We barely touch any character development whatsoever nor here, nor in Shadowlands, yet we least get to know the personality and whereabouts of people in suramar on a somewhat consistent pace. Having not one but TWO raids totally unrelated to the one of their zone beforehand was totally a win for them and the overarching narrative.

Legion gameplay was worst than BfA and SL. Legion was THE expansion that saved the game. You just started playing again after WoD disaster but not the very first day, and THEN you got your habits back. People who lived, like, a normal life, and player BfA and SL at their own pace never got any issue. Also you absolutely can't question the writing, it was peaking. While WoD and Dragonflight were almost as bad as... WotLK. If I'm shocking you right now, oh gosh you should play Warcraft 3 for real. No really, DF, World Sould Saga part 1, was a freaking shame of a story. It has been so majorly dumb and offensive to so many things I would keep crying over it if I was not putting myself in therapy by being immersed in BfA and SL instead. Those here harder to understand, but actually had explanations for things people saw as nonsenses... Now they're not even trying to hide the fact they're plagiarizing their own old content with very little consistency, and everyone is happy?! Not gonna lie they have always dona that. Suramar itself was a total retelling of Cataclysm Nightbornes (while totally antagonizing them with other night elves for some reason). But Dragonflight, and even War Within because of course... It's really hard to take it seriously (at least the latter is not actively trying to turn itself into a literal joke every two quests). Also, a decade ? World Soul Saga will likely end in 2029.

What you say about patches release is not true, because, the main probem i think with azj'kahet, which could be modified in a later expac, is that the leveling was too short, and threre is barely any high lvl content, azj'kahet is thought as a leveling zone, not a high lvl zone unlike suramar, and because it was thought that way, it makes it be done well after you hit the max lvl. It is clearly possible to have made Azj'kahet like Suramar if they had done 2 major things : 1 - Have a high level campaign, with actual quest chains you unlock wth the repuation (like suramar) 2 - Not have its conclusion on the frist patch but later, imagine if Neru'bar was not the 1st raid but the .1 raid, again, like suramar, both these things can still be done in the future, so yes, there can be a new Suramar, but for this, blizz have to stop thinking their zones as only leveling zone.

What is the big point you forget in your video is....that Suramar is just the Blood elves storyline from tbc....yup even suramar was not that unique.

really well edited, great insight, great video, handsome player characters

So to sum it up, Suramar did it first meaning all of the elements of it that became a issue in later expansions, grinding the same resource over and over again, slowly opening up a zone until we could raid it, etc etc where novel, new and unique. The they just copy pasted Legions homework with slight tweaks but at that point people are tired of it and want something new. When people say "we want you to redo Suramar" what they are really wanting is that new and unique feeling that Suramar gave them because it was new and unique at the time. They don't want a rehash of what they already did and honestly I'm willing to bet if we do get Legion Classic, people won't enjoy Suramar the 2nd time nearly as much as they did the first.

Anary Lunastre appears at the Nighthold after the death of Gul'dan and Elisande. 12:50

me that start shadowlands, only for go to the Maw ahah, idk i like that place, also cause I want to try to see what happens when you reach the full level of the jailer's eye, with all the hunters looking for you. I can't stand the jailer's blocks/trials though. They're boring :)

that's why i can say kul tiras lore, it's similar to suramar, it's cool, you explore, discover secrets and mysteries, the boralus city is full of incredible details, every house is different, it seems very real. they are not empty houses all the same as in dragonflight, they are alive. The missions are not all a: kill kill and that's it, there is an incredible story underneath

I hope they will never do an expansion like Legion or Shadowlands ever again. 2 of the most toxic and annoying expansions they ever made, the game was unenjoyable unless you lives 24/7 on it and that's a old-fashioned concept for a GaaS.

My brother and I (warrior and rogue) would sneak around suranar and randomly attack guards for hours acting like freedom fights. Idk why it was so fun lmao

I don't disagree that the greater context matters, but it's also true that Blizzard decides what the content of the game is. Azj-Kahet stands out like a Jedi in a fantasy novel because it's designed like it's supposed to be a Suramar but it's placed into the wrong context (and without any notable adaptations to make that work). As the authors of the game, Blizzard didn't have to do things this way so it's worthwhile to ask why they did.

Surumar was a major part of what I didn't like about Legion. I really think it embodied most of the things wrong with that expansion. Once Surumar became obsolete content Legion started to get much better.

No one liked Suramar during its time either. This is just rose colored glasses from an audience desperate to grasp on to a past that never existed.

Suramar was also a pleasure to be in. Really beautiful.

I though Suramar was boring as f*ck, legion was lackluster. Just a expansion filled with endless daily quests and the need to get legendary world drops, totally random in how and when they dropped. 3/10.

Couldn't you argue that Arthuas is the first time of this trope? Also she was literally undermined. 😂

Suramar was so peak

Until we get revamp silvermoon

Legion fucking sucked. Worse than WoD

i love the stock footage of the girl playing the arcade crane game so animatedly while absolutely nothing is happening inside the case.

Suramar was a fantastic zone

I feel like Suramar being inspired by Venice helped a lot too. Easily recognizeable. Reminiscent of Assassins Creed in a way. The new iterations of the Suramar idea are a mish-mash of different things, the layouts of the cities pale in comparison and overall they all seem a bit half-baked. The identity of these cities falls flat imo. One other city that nails this energy is Boralus. At least in my experience. There is so much space thats taken up by buildings that we will never really go to, BUT! It makes the city feel real. I love exploring Boralus bcs it feels authentic. I will have no use of most of these areas - but the fact they are implemented makes the city feel vast and real. Comparing Boralus and Suramar to Azj-Kahet makes the latter feel extremely condensed. Theres barely any nooks and crannies to snoop around in. It just doesnt feel like an actual occupied city.

With the worldsoul saga they could even make a city that lasts twice as suramar did

I did Suramar for the first time in BFA, when I came back to the game after an 8 year absence. Let me tell you, doing it at max level in BFA was Awful!!!! 181. That how many LOOOOOOONNNNGGGG quests there are. 181 quests to completion in Suramar.

So I will give my opinion because you dont mention this specifically but, I was decided not to play this expansion but when i saw nerubians as a plot I knew i would end up giving in, I love Nerubians I love anything with them scarabs I even find Anub'Arak kinda sexy to be honest but aside that, I like the Nerubians for what they are, how agressive and monstrous they act, how their conviction was indomitable, how mysterious and scary their origins seemed, so I was hooked in - before saying my point I will talk about Suramar and the nightborne When I started to know the nightborne as a player, they seemed so grounded to the reality of WoW, they reacted like people in need and they threw their pride away asking for help, their addiction and issues felt raw and I could actually feel icky aswell as empathy for their cause, THAT was the part that sparkled interest in me, appart from doing the daily quests, I was thinking about them, I was thinking about the surreal world they live in and how I had to grab mana from this MASSIVE and GORGEOUS city so I could bring it to this miserable cave and the wretched people inside, it didn't feel like a chore I was truly invested because of it was made with a purpose aside from "people enjoyed this content we got to bring it back", the aesthetic of it too, it was just so - grounded - because I dont know a better word to describe it.... OKAY so NOW the point you didnt mention because it probably is not nice to say, but it's true WoW direction has been more.. "endearing" leaning, THOSE NERUBIANS are NOT my nerubians, they're not real, this zone made me EYEROLL to the sight of them, their story seems cheap and unorganized, the supposed NERUBIAN ARCHITECTURE is not it, I saw human-like beds in their INNs, the entire palace seems crafted as for humanoids exclusively, I just can't believe that the City of Threads is a Nerubian zone no matter how much webs and tangle you place around, the stores are lame and predictable, they are 8 or more legged creatures (ignoring the boring-plot-driven ascendance forms that they didnt had time to adapt the entire city for those alone) They SHOULDN'T be sleeping in human beds, they should have many more holes paths to crawl in, their city should be 100% more oppressive to look at, you did mention flying messed things up there and I agree on that too, the entire story and content surrounding nerubians seem forced like no one wanted to really work on the plot, that's just cheap stuff they had to pull up to start the expansion. And one of the parts I hated the most is how cordial and cutesy they talk to the player, "little critter..." "delicious bite", so unserious, the way they ask for help is poorly written, too trustworthy from the go, their hub is not even hiding from the enemy with no repercussions at all, all happens way too fast, they BEHAVE like they are used to having outsiders as customers and that is just not it that is not nerubians and that is not grounded I couldnt give a single fffuk about their struggles and their motives, their villain is cheap the plot is cheap once again, even xal'atath didnt expect Ansurek to achieve anything its just uninteresting and sad....... Then look at the Nightborne, they never treated the player like this was a joke or a game, they were legit junk-ies crawling on the floor not knowing what to do and thalyssra the voice of reason helped patching up all together, i cant remember a single Nerubian from what im playing now because not a single one of them is interesting, the nightborne in our side werent half as cordial as the nerubians we have now, if so I remember they treating you just like comrades and enjoying just the simple things they could afford while being in that horrible spot, they were in constant dread too, the nerubians are just chilling, Im repeating myself but overall all surrounding them feels lazy and unwanted......

really well done video! My unsolicited constructive criticism is to practice the voice over more bc i noticed words were getting slurred occasionally making it harder to understand the commentary. Keep up the good work tho!

I dont get how people dont notice how wow stories are literally the same ones repeating over and over and over again like imagine how tired we (the ones who realize) are

I didn't even realize how good suramar was until I watched this, really an amazing video with a lot of details and work put into it that should be admired. Keep it up.

I hope we get more expansive and well planned out cities like Boralus and Suramar. Oribus and Valdrakken were big disappointments.

I feel like the conclusion of this video was rushed. Blizzard is failing to understand why Suramar (or Legion) was a success. It's not grinds or no grinds, it's a confluence of so many variables. You can change the release schedule and still give an arc like this time to grow, if you stretch it back to the length it needs and overlap... the start of the next arc perhaps with the middle of the first arc. It's only changing one variable. (Blizzard really needs a boss who takes the time to figure out what the issues are, and inevitably convince them at least within a couple expansions that they need to get in line or risk continued self-sabotage.) We're seeing their memory loss of lessons learned only 2 expansions ago (This timing is crucial, because they can't IMPLEMENT changes for expansions they've been working on for 2 years WHILE the previous expansion is released), that they've EXPLICITLY admitted, with Zovaal being "too rushed", they vowed to establish lore over a longer period of time. Apparently they don't realize this applied to anything more than the A-plot villain?? Or it meshes perfectly with Metzen's explanation of existing employees fears and his reassuring them that he wouldn't force them to stop doing their own thing. I've been tired of their crap, and at this rate I'll never get any rest. Wake me along with Azeroth when it's all over. IC_Sindragosa_Death01.ogg ("Freee! At laaaaaast!")