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Please explain what makes you say that

yes it is a pain and actually this is a redo cause the other one was over an hour long because I explained shit too many times.

Ill try to be more concise next time...no promises

@@Azzakye no worries, i like your stuff, thats why i am here ist just allways the question shall i skip 20 secs or do missout on something important🤔😂

Strange cause the kriegs should be more than capable of dealing 6k with back attack since they also can get a base damage in the 4k. This also highlights the need to focus on both Damage and fire rate for DPS but unfortunately its not complete if we dont know accuracy or even the damage drop off at range.

with the changes shields are effective again and yes cannon fodder would work wonders

That's the literal definition of a glass cannon, which has been around forever. It's not impossible to balance around. It's a high risk high reward unit, much like the Zykalians.

@@AFranco527 It's impossible to balance this unit. This unit is either first pick or ban, or never see the light of day (simply because there are better units that are cheaper and faster if they are not wiping blobs in 1-2 shots since that's all they can fire in 1 fight before being jumped by heroes or killed off by LB).

pretty much

Unfortunately since I mirrored the official stream I would have had other commentators talking.

@@Azzakye Ahhh okay okay! All good anyway! :)

apparently its not meant to work against siege...

I did fail english

anything within like 80m just straight up die or becomes ineffective and yeah.

Probably

Tanks

@@Azzakye well, modern equivalent of great bombard is more like a howitzer high explosive shell.

yeah mostly the same only saw like 3 changes. Two of the Shortbow ones got changed.

Silahdars are stronger so go for them. Orochi are not worth it in the current META strictly speaking they are still sleepers like Onna Musha but like them they lack tankiness to truly shine, also damage wise its actually a bit delayed so their overall burst is weaker than most units general DPS.

Reiters is german which they use for the unit.

@@Azzakye I see

I am Lebanese and didn't get that

I think you need a doctor mate

When you are getting surrounded and are terrified it tends to end up in shambles. There are also just a lack of units that are resilient to cavalry while not being dedicated anti cavalry.

honestly if this is on discord the highest is Max and I dont know if even he has the time to help.

@@Azzakye no, it’s in the game. Thanks man

Target ai can always be like that I mean just recently it got really bad with units trying to attack units on the other side of the wall with units literally right infront of them.

thats the same with any unit but the potential is there problem is I dont like doctrines being used as a balance point.

I don't think range spam is a good arguement. Just because a type of unit is strong or "spam" is not really a good justification for others to not be balanced correctly.

@@Azzakye I mean yeah but longbows was already good enough, It had a role and exceled at it, you get off 1 volley of LBs on golden range and they already paid themselves off

@@雷伊貝 I think the counter role is silly as Longbows are only effective against other range units and is inferior against everything else. Its not like other range units arent good at killing other range and Longbows arent particularly effective at it either. So my arguement comes down to the fact that Longbows are strictly too conditional for marginal cost effectiveness while being inferior by all other standards.

@@Azzakye Other ranged units arnt bad, but longbows are devastating, they basically take out 1/3 of a unit, out range and have a pretty good targeting vs ranged and do enough vs unshielded

@@雷伊貝 Yeah this is just subjective arguement. Personally I don't see it that way as Longbows are severely underpowered compared to the mastery version of the other T4 units and it would be insane to think they are only marginally better than T3 options this is not even considering they cost about 50% more, of course you also have Rattan marksmen. In context to their 40% damage against range with top veterancy they are quite literally only cost effective right now. Granted Longbows have a range and accuracy edge but its doesnt account for much when they are underperforming so hard in other areas that even their specialty is only cost effective. Like right now there is no reason to bring Longbows over Imp Archers.

I do not condone griefing.

Lets be honest Sipahis attacks would need to be redone for that to happen.

Range is completely one note and generally do not have interesting gameplay. I would say good usage is rewarded just from the fact that positioning and timing is key still but I get it. Overwatch auto aim makes it too easy to make use of their long range so its a super high usability as the unit does the work for you which is good if that allows the hero to do other stuff but range units are so weak that you have to guard them from lone heroes or flankers at all times so your hero is literally a guard dog.

I wouldn't say that yet cause its hard to say what 30% fire rate increase and 60% damage increase net but in theory they should be matching Imp archers but they dont have block break so there is that.

They'll only be able to get the 60% if they can hit the same enemy multiple times in a row. It's not gonna give the same burst damage and they will still fire slower than imperial archerVolley. precision volley. Also imperial archers hit higher armored enemies for a ton while longbowmens damage drops much more significantly so I doubt they'll be near as useful for enemy melee infantry. It might though make them somewhat viable for melee fights.

@@stefanteal1075 I think you are underestimating the 30% fire rate increase considering for all intent and purpose they fire slightly faster than Imp archers. the 60% would be less than Imp archers bodkin against heavily armoured targets but truthfully its hard to tell without some testing.

@@Azzakye Longbowmen in their current state fired 8 volleys so 16 seconds (fully upgraded in honor tree) averaging 1 shot every 2 seconds. Imperial archers with precision volley average 11 in that span of time. With 30% increase, longbowmen should be firing 10.4 shots every 16 seconds putting them right behind imperial archers for rate of fire. So they will be very comparable but longbowmen will need a warmup phase to get to the 60% increase damage not including hitting a different target or the enemy moving out of sight making the 60% probably more of a 120-140% in practicality. Just some thoughts. We'll see what they end up being like or how fast they get to that 60% increase in the ptr.

I think you don't have to be so rigid and let range do more than deal damage. IMO they need to fix the fire rate to damage though, when your arqebus is literally shooting faster than your crossbows and archers something weird is going on.

immo, this longbow mastery is weak. basicly you ussing longbows backside and aiming to targets, but now they be stronger only with cover fire so its means you have to fight in 1 front, its means you must survive front, in nowdays? when units 1 shooting you.. idk its not strong at all

That could be for many reasons but its usually due to the fact there aren't enough teams/players to truly differentiate from just causal siege. Adding to that we do not focus much on individual skill and more to do with teams as a whole so its more difficult to see the skill of the players.

So how does a grapeshot walk, then? Based on your comment at 34:44