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Noone killed C'thun before nerf

@@arnau7773 my bad! After the hot fix got in place, the guild "scorned" doomhammer

A guild beating c'thun in vanilla were sweaty nerds. Casuals would be stuck in the lower tiers until the expansion released. Curse was on the level of a guild like method today.

If only you knew....

@@NightpireVideosMy guild best C‘thun in September 2006 way before the expansion release date was even announced with all of 2 nights of raiding per week. We certainly weren’t sweaty neckbeards. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Lmao no. You had to be a sweaty nerd to have a chance against C'Thun.

how naive you are, who told you that stories?

It was far more team based during Vanilla and TBC. In expansions after that you had so many individual skills to make any teammate mistakes much more forgiving. So maybe it was a snooze fest from an individual POV or spectator POV but I thought it was a lot more fun than that shit nowadays. Also getting like a hundred testruns on 3 different piss easy modes before you do heroic makes the encounters so much easier.

@@gilian2554 the fact that you mention heroic says it all

​@@axelwedelin92 I also play all the way since vanilla and I have to say that he's right. The bosses were just tuned so dramatically hard back then, that one death person made you worry A LOT.. It was so much more fun to do actually hard encounters and blizzard just shittin on the whining youngsters

If you look at the time stamps in his chat you can see that it took them roughly 17 minutes.

Simpler times..

Old times:)

Mechanic wise the fights today are pretty hard. But for these fights you had to be extra resourceful, also threat tables were different, plus keeping track of 40 people is hard enough itself. If a few people fuck up bad it could be a wipe. Not to mention the low fps rates at the time. Sure you have mythic on retail but you can still be satisfied completing the raid on normal. Back then the raids themselves were already hard as hell without an easier version. There was just something more special about it.

People forget when having this debate. Our rigs sucked. Keyboard/mouse awful. Overhealing was a thing. It would get you kicked. Threat for Horde was tougher to maintain. C'thun was a very punishing fight. One or two mistakes was a wipe.

Kids nowadays with their fancy mouses and keyboards 90% of us were on a $20 logitech wireless mouse and keyboard.

He was soulstoned because you couldn't afford to lose any DPS or the tentacle spawns would slowly overwhelm the raid. Almost no need for tanks in this fight and you could get away with losing healers just as long as you didn't fail to kill all of the tentacle spawns on time. Looks like he was the best geared mage as well so it makes sense to soulstone your biggest damage dealers.

Vanilla is to abused due consum n world buffs. U see 30 min mc runs now but do u see a 30 min bt run or stuff no. Tbc n + is still nice to raid.

This was back when the max level was 60, this raid was redicuous back then to do which is why it's 'AQ40' by some players :)) at level 70, even as a disc priest current legion it's easy. My friend and I went on our level 70s and duo'd it

Don't feed the trolls!

Swooosh'

+Daniel Hendrickson 4 horsemen and Kel'thuzad were harder imo, c'thun was actually fairly easy when you understood the mechanics and positioned correctly. Same with 4 horsemen. Kel'thuzad on the other hand.. it was just a clusterfuck haha..

+50kent h1z1 yeah kel'thuzad was really a clusterfuck. 4 horsemen was the most difficult fight in my opinion. c'thun took a lot of practice and was way more fun than those other two though. killing cthun for the server first was absolutely epic though, I'll never forget it

+Navi DnB Yeah man, four horsemen.. God all the swapping all the switching and rotations.. 40 people.. 8 tanks. Fucking NIGHTMARE.

DreadSlayer 67 yep, people who didn't play in vanilla will never understand how difficult getting 40 people online at the same time and all on the same page was. Someone d/c? 39 other people waiting for them to come back.. vanilla was awesome in a lot of ways, and 40 man raids were EPIC but damn I don't really miss needing 40 people.

You playing classic era now?

+Jeremiah Brandenstein You can press the mute button on the video if you don't like the music.

+Meandroid Or we could abolish dance/club/techno music. I vote for my idea. Let's stop this nazi loving music and remove it once and for all!!

+Jeremiah Brandenstein While I do agree, this video is very old, and this music was all the rage back then.

+Jeremiah Brandenstein It's cause stoners like to listen to techno while raiding. There's two types of people who play wow. Stoners & autistics.

+William Gallant I just don't get it. The music isn't even good to listen to. It's just random noise, much like today's pop music, yet some how it is popular. My dad would disowned me if I listened to this shit

+Johan Gronnigan At the time of this video SnD didn't provide good enough returns on using the combo points at least to me. I was a 21/30 Combat - Assassination build using swords at the time.

@@Meandroid lol this is how bad people were back then

i raided as arms sucessfully back in the day

yes arms and fury were both incredible in late vanilla, lookup Curse vs Patchwerk for Zaeta's POV (fury warrior with thunderfury) and there was another video where a thunderfury fury warrior was doing nefarian and pulling nearly 4k dps which was unheard of in vanilla days lol

+Pompomatic because of his lazer eye

+Chris Connor actually, the raids were made easier than they are today because with a 40 people raid, it would be a real clusterfuck if it was any harder. The mechanics were easy but the damage numbers overtuned. Take Naxx as an example. If you compare Naxx 40 with Naxx 10/25 the only real difference was that the damage numbers had only been tuned up a little in Wrath, little as in a few hundred damage on some DoTs for example. Molten Core was about has hard as raid finder is now, but the players back then had no real knowledge of the game as were, to be honest, shit. The game was new, the players sucked. Some specs weren't even playable at all, they were utterly useless and a game like that would never be played by today's standards. People who look back at vanilla and think that those were the times of real skill are mostly just nostalgic and don't think of the fact that they were actually really bad at the game, but being bad back then was normal, being an okay or decent player was good. People in vanilla weren't good at the game as people can say that they are now. If we take affliction warlocks, all they really did was apply DoTs and save as much mana as possible. You weren't even supposed to spec the last talent in any talent tree no matter what spec you chose, there were almost no advancements. There definitely was some good stuff tho, the leveling experience was great and class specific quests and weapons? Yes please, love that and miss it too.

+Albin Asp 100% correct. Still. We faced other types of fun. Our addons sucked. We played on terrible rigs. Gaming "gear" ie keyboards ,mice, headphones, etc SUCKED. Ventrillo(top tier communication app lulz) was buggy and constantly disconnected people. Mat farming for pots and resist gear. Constant guild drama. Much more attributes stacking than current raiding. Aggro actually was hard to keep. Even for the best of tanks. (more so for horde because no Pallies :( ) I played a Restro Druid and our HoT's didn't stack intill around pre patch for Naxx. So if I didn't have the highest +healing in our raid I had spam healing touch. The other druids HoT would take over mine and it was a waste of mana. Over healing was actually really critiqued back then. Not even sure if that's tracked now. Made 60 WoW a great learning curve that's for sure.

Shatamx Yeah, that's true.

@@albinasp7426 you are a total clown. WoW became ezmode after WotLK. The same people who clear all the mythic in BoF in 1 month took 6 months to do this shit, moron

Victor Machado You can't JUST look at days alive though. People are much more dedicated nowadays and some even treat raiding as a job. Look at this video and tell me that many people weren't (very) slow to react. There's a lot of downtime inbetween casting sometimes, hell even time for random bandaging. There aren't many bosses from WotlK onwards where you could just stand still and bandage for 10 seconds. There are so many boss mechanics that have to be dealt with absolutely perfectly or the entire raid wipes. In the past it was just you that would die, not all the others. So yes the game did become much more difficult, but people also got a lot better and dedicated toward it. By the way, it took one reset for high end guilds to even get to Archimonde, and two more resets to kill him.

Mark Kooiman iwhen i say "harder" i wasn't talking about game mechanics, you know that is not what was hard on vanilla...

Victor Machado You have to think of the bugs that were in play in Vanilla also the general skill of the player base. Also as Mark Kooiman cleverly pointed out. They wern't as dedicated back then. C'thun was impossible to kill for a long time. You also had to take into the fact that most classes had only one spell to cast, 2 at best. Tho i agree it was very hard back then, comparing kill time to Mists just isn't fair. Also correctly coordination 40 people is a lot harder den coordination 25.

Victor Machado Yes, raid bosses became much more difficult.

+Victor Machado Yes. What made these bosses hard is that the raid size was insane and thus there were more drama. Farming for consumables took ages and other things like that. The actual battles were much much simpler.

mee091000 if you want to play vanilla you still can. i suggest The Rebirth, as from all the ones i tried (feenix, nostalrius, kronos, rebirth) rebirth was the best scriptwise, although a little underpopulated. You can fix that :)

ByteKnight Cool! How do I do it?

mee091000 therebirth.net/getstarted.html hope you roll horde ;P

ByteKnight Thanks

mee091000 www.reddit.com/r/rebirthwow/wiki/index i think this might help you even more, as it has actual links to get the client if you don't already have it

장태준 Nostalrius Begins, new incredibly popular vanilla server with over 10k active players.

장태준 Nostalrius Begins, new incredibly popular vanilla server with over 10k active players.

+장태준 Yeah Nostalrius begins, just picked it up a month ago and cant stop playing, great servers and community

i still play nostalrius its called elysium now and i have my first c'thun raid soon

Oh baby we are going back where we came from 🤗

MrNomanisa Yep and being horde it was AWFUL. Cat herding at its finest.

+Shatamx why is it worse for hordes?

Holdin McGroin Pally buffs blew away totems. Especially in mobile boss fights. Also Dwarf priest had fear ward.

Shatamx Oh right, i thought you were referring to Horde players being too stupid (with cat herding and all). Pally raiding sucked hard though. 5 minute blessings were absolutely horrendous, and paladins were inferior to priests and druids as a healing class.

Holdin McGroin Agreed they were used for threat buff mostly haha. I split my time raiding back in vanilla as a human warrior and tauren Druid. BWL was a tough grind on horde. While my Ally guild finished in a decent time span. I don't miss buying acorns and thorns by the bundle come raid night. Sure it was worse for Pally's.

***** Explain the difficulty you dumbfuck

you've clearly never played wow vanilla so there's no point in explaining how diffictult this encounter was cause you would not understand

too many wrath babies around nowadays, that's what really ruined this game

Private servers blew through naxx like it was a fucking face roll. Anyone who defends these bosses as being difficult, are doing so for the wrong reasons. Each boss, in classic, had a *MAXIMUM* three mechanics. 40 people in a raid, not knowing anything about their class with heavy restrictions on those classes, is what made classic "hard." Its a false sense of difficulty and social nostalgia that gives classic players those rose-tinted glasses.

Rollin GraNolan True but then again the private servers have people who know exactly what is best in slot, talent trees that are simcrafted to perfection, a database that has been created by players over the years, and an evolving internet that has allowed for better forums and ways to discuss strats and how to down the boss. Yes, these bosses are a cake walk compared to today's standard of boss mechanics however what really was hard about this fight was the DPS and healing checks. People did understand and even mastered mechanics of bosses but C'thun had so much raid coordination and dedication to the game that it seemed impossible at first until the first guild did it. 40 man raiding has also been described as cat-herding, which is more accurate than I can describe in a single sentence. Yes, I agree with you that it was a somewhat false sense of difficulty however it was difficulty nonetheless that was a hurdle to beat the boss. People forget that everyone was a noob in vanilla and even the top end raiders of the day could probably look back and think how stupid everything was they did as there are probably easier ways. Also one last thing, DBM is one of the main reasons why they couldn't down a boss with 3 mechanics vs ours with 10 and a pony.