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its a great game, but a mediocre fallout. the shoehorned in settlement system felt like it took away from environmental storytelling with a soulless "DIY" mentality. it didnt replace it i know, but i feel like the settlement building is how we got those god-awful generic POIs in starfield. its a natural logical conclusion, replacing handmade storytelling with lazy generated slop

Man - I agree with you so much on this that it's hard to not right a novel of a comment here. Just a few notes - tenhats has mods for new settlements, as does Ragoda (his Fairline Hill is a must have in my book), LarannKiar gives you new settlers to recruit (Jenny, Trader Rylee, Kat and Gus, Charlie and Clinton, Shelly Tiller, the wounded dog -- even a mod that makes it possible to recruit the survivors of the Institute - enough to fill an entire settlement) Orphans of the Commonwealth gives you kids, other mods get you furniture kids can actually use, let you set up a school - the works). For settlement building, the best Creation Club items to get are the Coffee and Donuts (Slocums Joe), Modern Furniture, Christmas pack, and Arcade Cabinets - you get new walls (scrap wall height, not barn and warehouse) with INTACT windows, floors, ceilings (one pre-lighted) and furniture, Arcade Cabinets (obviously), Working Fireplaces, and lots of decorations. Captain Cosmos gives 2 new power armor sets WITH jet packs... Darn, I did it again.....

I was pretty much the same. I first played FO4 on a console initially and the building was really janky at the time. This was back when the game had pretty much just came out so the game was fairly janky, lol. I played through on the X-box and got pissed about Father. Finished it because I was almost done, then went on a killing spree after taking out the institute and was absolutely done, lol. Years later I picked it up on PC and fell in love with the settlement system and the Minutemen. Funny thing... I have not played through to the end even once on PC. I literally just don't care. I'll think this play through I might as well finish the main quest, but then I get half way there and am have those stupid vertibirds from the brotherhood flying around killing my targets and being annoying as heck and I loose interest. I already know the story and I don't like it... so I gave up and now I just enjoy all the other content and try not to bring the stupid brotherhood in until I absolutely have too. I've tried doing a Brotherhood play through... yeah no. I can see the appeal for some, but I'm not a fan of the FO4 Brotherhood.

Josh, you weren't completely wrong. FO4 is such a different animal from what came before, and it feels sparse at first on the RPG side. It's a mash-up of Action-RPG, adventure, crafting, survival, and 4X...and especially in the beginning, it doesn't always work. But it pays off, in buckets, if you let it. There are still things about 4 that piss me off, but at close to 400 hours, it's the Fallout game I've committed the most blood, sweat, and tears to. And since we're post-election in the US and UK (and both were crap), "Keep Calm and Carry On!"

Let me guess you used to be a Democrat in 2020 and now you're a Republican in 2024. Who doesn't like Fallout 4? But a Democrat

Im 44. I played the OGs when they were new. Fallout 4 is my favorite. Absolute peak environmental story telling. Being older, the hate rhat got dumped on it seemed like a fad. So glad people realize what a great game it is.

I enjoyed my very first playthrough but enjoyed it even more with mods. As far as my playthroughs go now the game is boring without mods, hence the reason I play on PC. When it comes to power armor this is the feature I dislike. I don't like wearing it so I don't, it takes away the immersion in my opinion, playing in survival mode with PANC and Leveled NPC mods, the more the challenge the better. I use Combat Armor, Ballistic Weave and with the right perks I found that Power Armor is not needed and lets not leave out that I use Cross personal jetpack mod, that comes in handy. After playing Starfield I found myself back on FO4.

Like you mentioned, the trailer pointed out things that they didn't do before. The settlement system was a bold direction for the game. It was dramatically different from the other games. The cool part was, you didn't really have to do it, you can choose to build or choose to not build up settlements. When I started playing Fallout 4, I kept an open mind about it myself, wasn't real crazy with the settlement building at first but it grew on me. There was that challenge to build things up. Lets face it, games fill the hours in a day and when you get to crafting, settlement building and then exploring, those hours disappear quickly.

I think a lot of the initial reaction was nerd rage. I am a new fallout player coming to FO4 after the Tv show and I am just amazed at what passes for “disappointing” in the world of FO nerds.

Welcome to the fold! Have you done Nuka World yet?

Bethesda didn’t talk about Fallout 76 at E3 2015?

I was wrong about Fallout 4... Yes, yes you were ...and at the time we all knew it.

There is so many interesting locations to explore, is a great game imo.

Story-wise, the game is kind of meh, but the gameplay itself is truly amazing. I recently got every achievement for the PlayStation 4 version and the hardest ones to get were the Benevolent Leader achievement for the main game and the Eyes on the Prize achievement for the Nuka Cola World DLC.

load 400 mods and see how stable it remains lol My game is so broken.

It's actually one of the most stable Fallouts to mod as well. If you do it correctly.

The problems in this game didn't have to do with the perk system (it had a lot of problems, there were a lot of useless perks, but it didn't really hurt the game) They also didn't have to do with the settlement system, well, actually in a way they did... I loved building "settlements", but they were used as substitutes for actual settlements in the game and that was a BIG problem. The game needed actual towns... with actual stories... that was the games main problem. This game was fun, I loved building settlements, and tinkering with gunz, and power armor and collecting shit, and killing stuff... the game is fun... The you get into the story... and of the stories, the main story, the side stories, ANY OF THE STORIES, and they are all FUCKING TERRIBLE. Your choices never matter, nothing happens without you... the writing in this game is abysmal... I love fallout 4, I really do, in many ways it's fun... It's also one of the worst written games I've ever played, the plots are terrible, the world building is terrible, the characters are terrible... The writing has no redeeming qualities... I love Fallout 4, but as a turn my brain off walk around and shoot stuff, so I can collect shit to mod a new gun kinda way, and that's not what I want from a fallout game. I liked the interesting stories of Fallout 1 and 2... We had Red Terrets raiders, and if you read their stuff a rival gang kidnapped her sister to force Terrets into giving them food from the National Guard depo, only they killed her sister... It's the start to what might have been an interesting little story, maybe we could join Terret's gang and figure out what happened to her sister, maybe punish the ones who killed her and reconcile the gangs and then civilize them, turn them away from raiding... Wouldn't that have been more interesting than just going in and murdering all of them... It was the writing that fell on its face here. Emil Pagliarulo talks about in his infamous interview writing the "Great American Novel" and players ripping out the pages and making paper airplanes, and we do, cuz his "Great American Novel" was worse than reading Cosmo... The gameplay here was so good that the writing couldn't ruin it, but it changed this game from a compelling RPG to a brainless shooter. This isn't fallout anymore... When I want to just zone out and not think I love Fallout 4, but Every time I talk to an NPC I am reminded of just how bad this games narrative is... I'm torn, I hate what Bethesda has done to Fallout, I hate that they have ripped out all the RPG, all the depth, all the stories, the very tone that made Fallout what it used to be... I loved the original Fallout, but I also love Fallout 4... I guess the truth is that to me this isn't fallout anymore, its Skyrim with guns, and I like that. I wish Bethesda hadn't done this to Fallout, I wish it was still dark humor, intelligent writing, thoughtful stories, well-crafted worlds with well-realized characters, I miss what it used to be, and I hate what Fallout has become, but I don't hate Fallout 4...

Fallout 4 is def one of those games you have to ignore modern reviews to enjoy. Luckily, I experienced it before it got picked apart. I ignored the base building (just not for me) but I know others that enjoyed it. The dialogue system was crap but again, I didn’t care about the whole speech check thing until I started watching new Vegas reviews in like 2020. I was more interested in going from place to place, exploring new dungeons and finding loot to make my build better. The perk system imo does work. It isn’t as good as skills, but you can still make builds. I remember my first build was melee weapons and I was able to off a behemoth with one sneaky hit to the back. Now, I appreciate new Vegas the most with it being a true rpg. But 4 still holds some good memories.

Only survival ! Have Fun

There are a lot of things that I hate and find objective downgrades form previous fallouts or bethesda games for that matter....But still even then FO4 is a God damn good game.

I played Fallout before Last year i finished everything in Fallout 76 and somehow i was able to enjoy that Game despite its flaws i Loved the survival Aspect of 76 and building Camps and collecting Junk For crafting those Things Made me Fall in Love with Fallout again so much that i started a new Fallout 4 survival save with mods that adds stuff from Fallout 76 Like the Mutation system crafting a survival tent and so on Fallout 4 aint perfect either but damn im having a good time i would even Go as far and say im having more fun with fo4 than with newer Games👀

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Wow , I don't care what this guy thinks because why should I care what some rando thinks about a game I do like and replay alot. But I did give him two minutes and nine seconds of my life to explain but he failed. bye bye.

It really does give me hope tho that this comment section is split, maybe theres hope for fallout after all 😊

Nah they changed too much about Fallout. Fallout 4 is not a good fallout game and thats my opinion because they changed SOO MUCH. Anyone who enjoys this game and 76 i sincerally hope you guys stay away from the franchise because we dont need fans like this changing fallout forever.

How do you feel about the next gen "content"? IDK how many hours you had on XBOX but 60 hours on FO4 is light work.

The plot is terrible but I adore building and just running around.

You should try out America rising 2 mod you get to play with the enclave it’s really good

I'm super sad 76 isn't nearly as good as fall out 4

The only real and absolutely, undeniably bad thing about fallout 4 is creation club. Bethesda skimming off community made content is disgusting.

im gonna say that base game fallout 4 is just alright but if you add some mods it changes everything the game and building becomes a whole different kinda of game.

You give Bethesda too much credit; most aspects and mechanics of the game (including the economy) came from the very first Fallout game back in 1997.

How Guns Look like in fallout 4 is in my opinion the most worst looking all all games

My problem with FO4 is Preston Garvey

I also thought the base building and settlement creation was a gimmick but being a fallout fan i figured the wondering around and the fighting would still be pretty good. I quickly changed my mind. I love the base building just as much or more than fighting and even though i don't wear power armour i love finding them and creating them too. Fallout 4 has become my favorite Fallout4. Oh yeah i have 859 hours on this game on ps5

I liked the junk and crafting system right away. going into a location, looking for screws etc while doing your quest. I think that’s why I’m one of the few that actually plays fallout 76. All that busy work is something I enjoy, it’s relaxing.

What? I hated about it. Was You have to go online to get All the Extension Pack, I bought an entirely new game thinking. I was buying the expansion pack. No, you have to go online to get it. I am not online and I cannot get it. All the other games you bought a new game and the new game have the expansion pack. But no expansion pack for me.😢

Do us all a favor and stop making videos.

You got to try modding the game. It allows you to make the game what you want it to be. Me personally? I could not stand the firearms that were designed by people who had never actually held one, and the " Jetsons with a drug habit" cars. Most of the profiles I'm running have anywhere from 900 to 1100 mods. I've been playing the games steadily for about 7 years as a result

Some with the ability to revise their opinion and say they were wrong is getting to be a rare quality, unfortunately. So I salute you for it. I had reservations about Fallout 4 too but I love it wholeheartedly now, especially since I can mod it to suit me better. It's now my comfort game when I just want to play and forget things.

Then you discover modding the game. Different ENB, new clothes/armor/weapons, playing in Survival-mode were you’ll have to keep thirst and hunger plus sleep deprivation under control. Ohh, and you might contract disease that needs either a doctor, or you can craft the antibiotics by yourself. Hey, if the main story is getting to you, there’s _Fallout London,_ a mod released this year that’s an entire new game by itself!

I disagree about perk and skill progression. One disadvantage being that skill checks aren’t what they used to be with a boring tier 1-5 system, among other issues. Other than that I agree with all your gameplay praise. The junk economy felt like the natural progression of New Vegas’ crafting system. Ammo types being sorely missed. Settlements were the logical conclusion of the Hearthfire dlc, powered by the junk economy for bonus wasteland points. They went hard on verticality which was novel. My real criticism of 4 sits with the narrative, something I’m sure many can agree with. Also, whoever designed that assault rifle needs to be locked up.

It's the last good game they made. Nearly a decade and they haven't made another game worth playing. As someone that used to consider BGS the best studio out there it breaks my heart.

Fallout 4 - survival mode is a bloody masterpiece to play.

Do your self a favor and install Old Word Radio. Its has many times the content and is less annoying than the base game radio.

It's a 10 year old game basically, what's there left to be "wrong" or "right" about 🤦

Bro get in touch with me I have a mod list that’ll knock your socks off it’s the ultimate post apocalypse sim literally my game is like dayz mixed with tarkov and had some cod elements and a lot more but with an Xbox I only have 150 mods with a pc I know I’d be able to make the best game in existence

As a power armor user, I wish for the next fallout 5 installment, if they had only one or maybe up to three power armors, kinda like F3 or the prawn suit from Subnautica, the way you can upgrade your prawn suit and you can actually see it transform is mental. I have an issue with the power armor in fallout, looks different in the outside but as you jump in one, they all look the same, no difference in hud display of letters or information display, like a different airplane cockpits..hope they address this in the next fallout, cheers

I played all of 3. Never picked up 4. Started playing it 4 weeks ago. Single playthrough and just hit 200 hours. The games amazing. I had to add some mods. I added inventory hud and settlement workshop mods for easy building. The games amazing. Wish I didn't listen to people and just played it.

This is my first time playing fallout 4 without mods since they came out and man. I’m having a blast this game does have its flaws but if you can get past them it’s a good time. The dlcs are fun and interesting and you have a lot to do and many choices with the main story.