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That’s an interesting take I mean what defines “dead” you know? The tournaments have a healthy amount of people, I’m able to consistently find games with various players in both ranked and casuals. I play locally with friends and have a good time. The irony is that I think the negativity comes from a place of love. Players LOVED roa1 so they want it to stay the same but I will say, it’s not a coincidence that it had a much much lower playerbase. Besides, social media is negative biased because people who have fun with the game aren’t gonna post about it. They’ll just keep playing the game yknow?

Yeah of course! I mean hey you’re doing good work! Having a resource to preview skins is great since the game doesn’t have anything yet. (Also I was kicked out of the creator program LOL 😅😅😅 oh well, ~650 subs to go 😤😤)

Here’s the thing, I DID apply. And I got in! But they accidentally auto accepted a bunch of creators. Including me. So they kicked me out 😔😔😔

I haven't played very much rivals 1 but honestly I can see this

I wouldn’t go that far. Rivals 1 had something special for sure, but it simply could not have the mass appeal that rivals 2 could have. Does it suck that to get more mass appeal you kinda have to simplify mechanics? Maybe. But that’s the push and pull of fighting games. It’s a side grade At least.

Yeaaaah the silhouettes on the icons aren’t the most distinct. I feel like they can add a simple mask to clairen or something like that help differentiate

Let’s go baby, that’s what I’m talking about!

@ wooo. I had the game wishlisted. I was just holding off because I was trying to save money and I still had other games to finish. Then the sale happened and I was like “might as well, I wanted it anyway” Great game so far. Looking forward to more characters being added and I’m gonna try to get my friends to play.

Going as far as to say “I have never seen or touched a character as awful as Etalus in any platform fighter ever.“

yeaaaaah i saw that... That's crazy. The switchup in a matter of a couple days is wild

Glad you like the variety! Truth be told, i'm not sure if I should make the reddit section a different video because it just DOUBLES the length of the video. But seems like people don't mind lmao

100% I agree. It's like, i understand why the devs want to do this for balance, but you're totally right that it's unintuitive for new players. Like you can always wavedash after jump EXCEPT for this specific case. Or parries are frame 6 EXCEPT for projectiles which then it becomes frame 3, EXCEPT during the shield release state. etc etc. In the long run i think it's probably fine. Like Rivals have alwys had character specific stuff so this isn't anything new. But my gut reaction is also that i'm not a fan.

​@@BothPlayersGG I know what you mean about character specific stuff but i do think there is a difference. Imagine a mercedes benz convertible, it specifically having a neck warmer may have be a surprise, but that it will have luxury features is expected, and a neck warmer in a convertible does make sense. We do expect characters to have unique stuff, but usually in a way that is consistent with their character. If your 100K mercedes was actually a piece of trash car with a bunch of gold bars inside, that would be a surprise too, but not an intuitive one at all. Also those gold bars would really be an admission that the product itself didn't really cut it. That's kind of like Etalus wave dash lockout for me. Not trying to be dramatic though, I'm very confident the devs are fully aware of all this. It may be a case that they aren't fully satisfied either but just felt backed into a wall with money/time constraints or something. Also sorry about the extensive analogy lol, I don't know the more technical and concise language that game devs would use to talk about these concepts.

I appreciate that! I mean i've only been making videos since the launch of the game so not that long at all ahaha

LMAO hey cut them some slack, the nuances of movement IS important! But etalus is probably more fun for new roa players tbh tbh

I think that would be so funny, but POSSIBLY broken LMAO

@@BothPlayersGG Just like Loxodont's side B

That's SO funny Maybe Etalus is bottom 1 after all

yeaaaah, I can see why the devs might think that this is busted, he gets a suuuper long and fast burst ranged grab, but as a big bodied heavy with a terrible recovery, it mightve been too much to take it away. Only time will tell. I think if its obvious etalus is bottom tier within the next couple months, we'll definitely be seeing some buffs

And what other character has a jump cancel grab out of dash attack?

AHAHAH you know what, that's fair

Only on hit cuz they want his neutral to suck

Amazing! I hadn’t had the time to truly dig into the character so I appreciate you doing a write up for the things I missed!

@@BothPlayersGGElatus also regains his upspecial if he lands an up air Which I question the usefulness of but it is a mechanic he has

Glad to hear you like roa2 etalus! Truth be told I hadn’t had time to play with him a lot but he seems fun!

Okay I thought I was the only one LOL His render looks a little toooo goofy? Or like smooth? Idk I can’t put my finger on it but the difference between the in game model and the css portrait art is crazy

Oh! That’s good to know! I’m unfortunately not the most familiar with the rivals 1 competitive scene so I had no idea bagel was the best etalus! But it totally makes sense he has this opinion then. Yeah I mean I mention it in the video as well but I think since ROA1 was so beloved for its movement and character tech, removing and changing things feel particularly bad. (I played Kragg and Olympia in ROA1 and now I play Lox so I have not felt the burn like the other ROA1 players)

@ I have a distinct memory of finally getting my hands on rivals 2 for the first time after being a kickstarter backer and only being able to watch gameplay for so long just to release an audible gasp almost instantly after I got into training mode. I have my gripes even if I understand why the decisions that were made happened. Another notabile example is soulrifle (number 1 maypul and number 2 in the world on the same ranking) only playing forsburn (at least from what I saw) in the last tournament he attended. It sucks a little to have character specialists who just don’t like the the character they specialize in anymore.

@@hesho24 I get that those things suck as a character specialist myself but people have to understand that rivals 2 isnt rivals 1. It just isnt the same game. If it was, it wouldnt be a sequel

Zetter feels a lot worse in Rivals 2 compared with rivals 1 but I eventually got used to it and learned to play him again

I feel like this comes from rivals 2 toning EVERYONE down a bit. So a lot of rivals 1 players feel like their character sucks now because they can’t do the same stuff.

Yeah it seems like if you played ROA1 etalus you’re disappointed but if you haven’t, he’s fun as hell. Hard to balance that as the devs I have to imagine.

​@@BothPlayersGG I mean, I feel like giving him back his old movement wouldn't make those people who are enjoying him now enjoy him less. So they should trust the veteran sentiments first and adjust from there.

I mean as long as he’s fun! We need more fun bad characters! I feel like making a heavy a top tier is ridiculous anyway (ignore kragg, why’d they make him so good LMAO)

​​@@BothPlayersGG I think having all characters be fun AND good is the objective. And no character should be bad solely because of their archetype.

@@BothPlayersGG Why would you want a character to be bad?

Bait used to be believable

@@HiddenBAH LMAO idk if its just me but bottom tiers are hella fun to play BECAUSE i feel like i'm doubly outplaying people. Like the satisfaction I get from beating people as ganon in smash ultimate even outweighs beating people as my main LMAO I just don't think its a bad thing that a character is clearly "bad" as long as they're still fun to play. (I can admit I may be the freak here though)

Oh that's right! I totally forgot to mention Wisely's video in my video. I'll put it in the description! And yeah totally agree with your point about the hitbox criticisms. I also feel that generally speaking, the tools that the cast has are all very general and would like them to be more situational. Toolbox full of multitools is a great metaphor. But yeah, adjusting hitbox sizes is probably not the best move for making the attacks feel good either. Honestly not sure what the move is here. Maybe adjusting hitbox location and timing? Definitely don't envy the job the devs have for balancing ahaha

Yeah I believe it! Etalus was a menace in Rivals 1 too. The heavies go crazy in this game

step 1, find a player like cake haha

ice ice baby

As a 1050 gold Orcane. I lost my first Etalus match because I didn't know what he did, but won the next 20, many of them three stock. Orcane can abuse their recovery real bad. I game where most of the cast has beyond broken recovery, Etalus is going to suffer.

I didn't like him in the first, that could be because I played casually and sucked, but in 2, I love this bear!!!

@@patrickedenton9440 Oh dang! I love to hear that! Interesting to know that there are people who prefer the rivals 2 version of etalus!

As a new player he feels broken. Compared to other characters. He’s fast, big hit boxes, the ice armour mechanic and he can just throw you into the blast zone. Edit: he is cool and I don’t dislike him but he feels like the noob killer. And I come up against one in 3/5 matches.

I played Etalus as one of my casual mains in Rivals 1, and I think he got translated super well into this game from the level I played him at. I think he's super fun to play as, and has a super unique move set, but there is definitely an adjustment period to his movement. He relies a ton on momentum, and I've fought some great Etalus's since release that absolutely clobber me, and others that struggle to get the ball rolling (likely just trying him out). His biggest weakness follows him into this game, which is his super linear recovery that is super frustrating against characters with less committal edge guards (Kragg and Fleet are the biggest problems here), since they can chump his recoveries over and over again with near zero risk. Overall, he's a blast, and that's what matters most to me

From what they've said before, it is unlikely we will get the console release in 2025. So 2026 at the EARLIEST but sometime after for sure.

yep! you can taunt in the air to force yourself into tumble

Porting console versions of games is actually more complicated than you’d think. But also, from what I understand, they want the console version to be more complete version of the game, which should be coming later.

I could be entirely wrong here but I do not believe they had a console version purchasable during the kickstarter. I remember them being very clear that the console version would be available much much later. Regardless, from what I can tell, the console version IS something they are currently working on in tandem with the other features so hopefully it comes out soon.

@ yeah I could definitely be misremembering I just hope they release it soon

IDEALLY, you're totally right. But from what I can see, the team HAD to launch when they did because they needed money to keep developing the parts the more casual fans would like. So they banked on the hope that the base game was good enough for the core gamers to play and enjoy, to buy them more time to develop the other features. It did not launch in its most ideal state but hopefully when the console version is out, the game is better for the casual gamer.

@@BothPlayersGG Yeah it seems like a necessary sacrifice I guess. They need to do like a big relaunch with PVE and bring in those casual players and lore finders.

ISN'T THIS JUST BRAWLHALLA????? That may be the CRAZIEST one yet! wow!