Funny interpretation of the genius 3 act development of a theme , to diminished/augmented chords. You might as well say it is just 7 notes of music okay .but where the miracle erupts ? Where an Architect is designing the Structure !
There seems to be an ever present sort of deficiency-complex in the host of this program whereby every achievement, accolade or innovation of Wagner is bluntly diminished and displayed as if any casual connoisseur of music could have achieved the same.
26. JULY 1882 Bayreuth Premiere of Parzival,directed by Herman Levy, a Jew and preferred by Richard Wagner. Your Video is typical for anglo envy and Ressentiments...the real reason for Ww1 ,,Versailles and followings until Putin today ( Sykes picot for example and Lend and Lease,also today ) We are sick beeing blamed for all, and as to the Jew Situation that time and later Look how Theodor Herzl described his own people as Bad and hunting for profit...he wrote to Baron de Hirsch...Sie sind verkommen... Progroms in Russia, 100.000 refugees from Russia in London and your beloved Minster for Munition, Chaim Weizmann from Russia studied in Germany over Switzerland to England,Balfour Declaration and later 1. Prime Of Israel claiming later and blaming England to broke the promis and their word...Palestine for Jews. Yes dear England in order to get Middle East (oil )😊 you wrote history. SYKES PICOT Was an important Start The nazis ( National Sozialisten ) have been an reaction of the Bolsheviks ( International Socialists ) The rule to be or not to be created first by the bolsheviks long before the Nazis appeared. The evil Propaganda ever.. mainly created by 2 jews in US Creel Commission 1917/18 Bernays and Lippmann Output.. Germans are blooddrinking Huns and a lot more...Hitler learned from this ( read his book if you are able) Hitler was born in Versailles ( he considered England as a brother Land ) and now the final result of Versailles is Putin Red China etc, today., By the way I m glad and thankful that Hitler was defeated..but it could be done much earlier. Eugen Gerstenmaier ( german resistance ) claimed ..now I understand why we didnt got Support.. The real goal was not Hitler or to Support the Jews...to goal was Germany.( ecconomy ).thats true until today. Hans
It is not true that the distinction between 'high art' and 'low art', in this case: elevated serious music, and simple entertainment music, was invented by Wagner. He merely developed the idea as initiated during Beethoven's time, when B's symphonic works and chamber music set standards of depth and seriousness. Which, by the way, did not exclude the element of 'entertainment', only brought to a much higher artistic level than before, as his late string quartets with the remarkable lighthearted 'intermezzi' bear witness. Also it is not true that Wagner was more or less responsible for the virulent type of antisemitism that led the nazi's to their absurd crimes, they did not need him for that. Wagner considered 'Jewishness' as a world view, and his antisemitism was a cultural critique, clothed in racist terms. This does not diminish the foolishness of his unethical elaborations, but makes understadable his mistaken conclusions of in themselves correct observations of capitalism and industrialisation. When read carefully, it is obvious that in his notorious 'Judenthum' pamflet he meant with 'annihilation' (Untergang) not the murder of all Jews, but the dissolution of what he thought was a creation of Jewish thought: industrialisation and capitalism. That he let Kundry die at the end of Parsifal had also a plot reason: he could not think of something useful to do for her now that she was redeemed, i.e. 'redeemed from Jewishness', and death has always been the most dramatic gesture on the opera stage which was used everywhere at the time when a strong emotional effect was needed. What else could he have done with her? Marry parsifal? Becoming the Grail Club's secretary? As a female among all the men? That would have caused infinite emotional turmoil on all sides and not produce some sort of neutral, content ending. So much has been projected into Wagner's operas of things he only had vague and distorted notions of. johnborstlap.com/was-wagner-a-bad-person/
Richard Wagner was the only major German composer who was deeply influenced by Hindu philosophical thoughts like most German intellectuals of 19th century. Wagner has written about Indian civilization extensively in his prose works which he considers the oldest from where the European civilization originates. He has interpreted the Indian philosophical thoughts in his operas such as Lohengrin, Tristan, Parsifal and his epic opera The Ring Cycle. I would put him in the same category of German Indologists besides he also learnt a great deal from his brother in law who was a well known professor of Sanskrit at Leipzig University at the time.
For a filthy little anti Semite, he wrote some pretty good tunes. But- he would've sent Mendelssohn to the gas chamber if he could've, so I'm not going to validate him by watching his biography.
Bach was writing specific and very identifiable themes into his work (such as the chorale preludes for organ, “Puer Natus in Bethlehem,” where the pedal plays a rocking motion throughout to signify a baby being rocked in a cradle), and he used an extremely 20th century chromaticism toward the end of his life, especially in “Die Kunst der Fuge.” I can listen to Bach’s music all the time, but Wagner’s is so bombastic, derivative, and in your face so relentlessly that 40 years ago, I called it the original head banging music. Then, of course, there is Wagner’s horribly sick antiSemitism, which he trumpeted so proudly, such a freak, a stealer, a loser, a narcissistic sociopath used by Hitler to spread his ghastly antisemitism.
Wagner seems to me, to be the most self promoting and self aggrandising composer; his music reveals this character flaw quite well. I’ve never been a fan, his music is too dark and demonic in nature. It depresses my spirit as opposed to inspiring it…a form of evil Wagner is promoting.
It is an odd paradox that in an opera like Parsifal, Wagner went out of his way to denounce and vilify Jewish influence, yet the foundational background of Parsifal is the Jewish story of Jesus's crucifixion, which is portrayed in the opera as sacrosanct and most holy. Indeed, it is impossible to explain Wagner without reference to the intense Judaïzation of Germany that had been taking place for centuries before Wagner ever showed up. In fact, in his arrogant, egocentric behavior, his addiction to showmanship, and his all-consuming ambitiousness, Wagner comes across as much more of a Jew than as a pure German of the type of primitive, warlike savage portrayed by Caesar, despite Wagner's strident and hysterical condemnation of Jewish characteristics in his writings. There was surely more than a drop of Jewish blood in Wagner's veins, and he brings to mind the statement of Hitler that "If you shake a family tree in Germany long enough, a Jew will fall out of it."
Hmm. There are many ways of interpreting chords. Coming from a jazz background, and by using enharmonic spellings, I could interpret the Tristan chord as a half diminished, or a minor 7th flat 5. If the Tristan chord is thought of as a four note chord, and the somewhat smug chap in the video calls it a "diminished", is he calling it a diminshed 7th chord? If he is, he's wrong; the D# note would have move down to a D natural for it to be a diminished 7th chord. I stopped watching this video after a few minutes; I found the fellow insufferable.
This is a clip from a BBC documentary series about the history of western music by Howard Goodall. It is a bit misleading to present only this clip because at one point at the end of this episode Goodall goes off an unhinged rant about Wagner, the Nazis and the Holocaust. From memory, I think I remember him saying something incredibly stupid along the lines of "No-one would even remember Wagner today apart from a few musical historians, if it hadn't been for Hitler. Wagner never produced any memorable music and the few hum-able ditties that he did manage were stolen from Liszt". He concluded his show by stating that Wagner's music should be eradicated from the playlists of all civilized nations and never played again. Interestingly, the BBC haven't repeated this programme since it was first broadcast as I think that even they were embarrassed by the Goodall's conceited virtue signalling. Anyone with a scintilla of humanity abhors the antisemitism that was widespread across the globe for centuries but to belittle Wagner's music because the man himself was one of the many misguided antisemitic bigots in the world during his lifetime is just silly.
Where is Berlioz in this discussion. You can't omit him from any discussion of Wagner influences, and even Chopin may have used the Tristan Chord before any of them.
Why Richard Wagner hated the Jews? Is there a study on this hatred deep in Wgnerd mind? Is it any trauma in his childhood or intense jealousy in his adult later life or simply it was a trendy fashion to hate the Jews like the Hindus hate the Indian Muslims?
Pretty much everybody who came into contact with them started to hate them. It comes from experience. Of course today we have all sorts of hangups about guarding against this "hatred", but back then people weren't being actively indoctrinating into ignoring their own experiences regarding certain ethnic groups.
Bad. The Tristan chord is not simply a diminished triad. It is enharmonic with a half-diminished 7th chord but it is not spelled as such and does not resolve as such. With all of the study devoted to this chord by experts in their field (music theory) do you really think you can demystify this chord with a few words?
Alternating tonality - the Tristan chord is in Eb and resolves as such as the climax of the prelude. Wagner describes it in his program notes. If more than one PHD thesis is written on a topic, no one has any idea what is going on. they need to be flunked.
An idiot must have made this documentary. Probably hates Wagner as well. There is not much truth here at all.
"Wagner worshipers" 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
I like C major better. Wagner was just an old pagan in thrall to odin.
Wagner rated up most in the pantheon of music, perhaps at tops. A true synthesis of beauty, passion and vengeance.
The first name Richard should be pronounced "REE-card," not "Richard" as in the longer version of the name "Rich."
Hi, do you have the other episodes of this?
They will always tell you that Wagner was an antisemite, but they will never tell you why.
He felt that an emerging German culture was being held back by anything he perceived as non - German. He was also anti French and anti-Catholic.
@@Tolstoy111 sounds like he hit the nail on the head didn't he?
@@bannedagain1483 Well it didn't hurt the existing German culture before him.
@Tolstoy111 your obvious anti-german sentiments wouldn't be coloring your historical analysis would it? I'm thinking it is.
@@bannedagain1483 I love German culture
Sorry but you can analyse it all you like but the fact remains - Wagner was a genius and in a league of his own.
Funny interpretation of the genius 3 act development of a theme , to diminished/augmented chords. You might as well say it is just 7 notes of music okay .but where the miracle erupts ? Where an Architect is designing the Structure !
Great music ❤
The “angry diminished chords” is um, right out of the Beethoven playbook thank you very much; Wagnet himself would admit it.
❤ Richard Wagner Masterful 🎶 Music
Wagner was a massive influence on everything from Impressionism to Schoenberg. He does not owe his rep to the Nazis.
You left a whole lot out and it sounds at times like "Gubedidu".
There seems to be an ever present sort of deficiency-complex in the host of this program whereby every achievement, accolade or innovation of Wagner is bluntly diminished and displayed as if any casual connoisseur of music could have achieved the same.
Wagner's music inspired Adolf Hitlers political career.
26. JULY 1882 Bayreuth Premiere of Parzival,directed by Herman Levy, a Jew and preferred by Richard Wagner. Your Video is typical for anglo envy and Ressentiments...the real reason for Ww1 ,,Versailles and followings until Putin today ( Sykes picot for example and Lend and Lease,also today ) We are sick beeing blamed for all, and as to the Jew Situation that time and later Look how Theodor Herzl described his own people as Bad and hunting for profit...he wrote to Baron de Hirsch...Sie sind verkommen... Progroms in Russia, 100.000 refugees from Russia in London and your beloved Minster for Munition, Chaim Weizmann from Russia studied in Germany over Switzerland to England,Balfour Declaration and later 1. Prime Of Israel claiming later and blaming England to broke the promis and their word...Palestine for Jews. Yes dear England in order to get Middle East (oil )😊 you wrote history. SYKES PICOT Was an important Start The nazis ( National Sozialisten ) have been an reaction of the Bolsheviks ( International Socialists ) The rule to be or not to be created first by the bolsheviks long before the Nazis appeared. The evil Propaganda ever.. mainly created by 2 jews in US Creel Commission 1917/18 Bernays and Lippmann Output.. Germans are blooddrinking Huns and a lot more...Hitler learned from this ( read his book if you are able) Hitler was born in Versailles ( he considered England as a brother Land ) and now the final result of Versailles is Putin Red China etc, today., By the way I m glad and thankful that Hitler was defeated..but it could be done much earlier. Eugen Gerstenmaier ( german resistance ) claimed ..now I understand why we didnt got Support.. The real goal was not Hitler or to Support the Jews...to goal was Germany.( ecconomy ).thats true until today. Hans
Calm down. Just listen to the music.
It is not true that the distinction between 'high art' and 'low art', in this case: elevated serious music, and simple entertainment music, was invented by Wagner. He merely developed the idea as initiated during Beethoven's time, when B's symphonic works and chamber music set standards of depth and seriousness. Which, by the way, did not exclude the element of 'entertainment', only brought to a much higher artistic level than before, as his late string quartets with the remarkable lighthearted 'intermezzi' bear witness. Also it is not true that Wagner was more or less responsible for the virulent type of antisemitism that led the nazi's to their absurd crimes, they did not need him for that. Wagner considered 'Jewishness' as a world view, and his antisemitism was a cultural critique, clothed in racist terms. This does not diminish the foolishness of his unethical elaborations, but makes understadable his mistaken conclusions of in themselves correct observations of capitalism and industrialisation. When read carefully, it is obvious that in his notorious 'Judenthum' pamflet he meant with 'annihilation' (Untergang) not the murder of all Jews, but the dissolution of what he thought was a creation of Jewish thought: industrialisation and capitalism. That he let Kundry die at the end of Parsifal had also a plot reason: he could not think of something useful to do for her now that she was redeemed, i.e. 'redeemed from Jewishness', and death has always been the most dramatic gesture on the opera stage which was used everywhere at the time when a strong emotional effect was needed. What else could he have done with her? Marry parsifal? Becoming the Grail Club's secretary? As a female among all the men? That would have caused infinite emotional turmoil on all sides and not produce some sort of neutral, content ending. So much has been projected into Wagner's operas of things he only had vague and distorted notions of. johnborstlap.com/was-wagner-a-bad-person/
Wagner was a genius, F the Juden BBC
Richard Wagner was the only major German composer who was deeply influenced by Hindu philosophical thoughts like most German intellectuals of 19th century. Wagner has written about Indian civilization extensively in his prose works which he considers the oldest from where the European civilization originates. He has interpreted the Indian philosophical thoughts in his operas such as Lohengrin, Tristan, Parsifal and his epic opera The Ring Cycle. I would put him in the same category of German Indologists besides he also learnt a great deal from his brother in law who was a well known professor of Sanskrit at Leipzig University at the time.
I wonder why this ended with a most revolting and insipid analysis of Wagner and Nazism?
Because it's made by the BBC, I knew they were gonna mention nazism even before I watched this video 🙄
People say Wagner was influenced by pretty much all other composers! 😂 how about adding Hans Zimmer to his list of Wagner's influencers too? 🤣
This POMPUS LIMEY BS MERCHANT IS BUT A POSE WHO THE HELL DOES HE OR THE BUNGLING ENGLISH KNOW ABOUT HIGHER MUSIC
For a filthy little anti Semite, he wrote some pretty good tunes. But- he would've sent Mendelssohn to the gas chamber if he could've, so I'm not going to validate him by watching his biography.
I'm sure he really cares about your validation, Greg 🙄
Als Deutschland wusste, wie man einen verdienten Traum vom Ruhm hat, und dann von den Siegern in Blut und Lügen ertränkt wurde
Other composers may have continued as before after Wagner, but it feels dated. Like watching Inspector Morse.
Bach was writing specific and very identifiable themes into his work (such as the chorale preludes for organ, “Puer Natus in Bethlehem,” where the pedal plays a rocking motion throughout to signify a baby being rocked in a cradle), and he used an extremely 20th century chromaticism toward the end of his life, especially in “Die Kunst der Fuge.” I can listen to Bach’s music all the time, but Wagner’s is so bombastic, derivative, and in your face so relentlessly that 40 years ago, I called it the original head banging music. Then, of course, there is Wagner’s horribly sick antiSemitism, which he trumpeted so proudly, such a freak, a stealer, a loser, a narcissistic sociopath used by Hitler to spread his ghastly antisemitism.
it's great: he find his on sound, that's making sound's of new color, and he has new ton in orchestra too, he belongs in family of great composers.
Mark Twain once wrote, "Wagner's music is much better than it sounds".
Twain on the prelude of Parsifal "It was exquisite; it was delicious".
Focusing on single chords within the vast integration of Wagner’s work suggests an alternative purpose to analysis. The purpose of the envious?
It's like criticizing TS Eliot's The Waste Land as unoriginal because it doesn't contain any words that didn't exist before.
This video is just the tribe coping and seething.
Nonsense. His huge influence is all about his music. Period. Nobody can diminish it, even BBC
This guy looks like Wagner.
I'm guessing this is where nietzsche departed ways.
Wagner seems to me, to be the most self promoting and self aggrandising composer; his music reveals this character flaw quite well. I’ve never been a fan, his music is too dark and demonic in nature. It depresses my spirit as opposed to inspiring it…a form of evil Wagner is promoting.
Wow. You are a crying baby.
It is an odd paradox that in an opera like Parsifal, Wagner went out of his way to denounce and vilify Jewish influence, yet the foundational background of Parsifal is the Jewish story of Jesus's crucifixion, which is portrayed in the opera as sacrosanct and most holy. Indeed, it is impossible to explain Wagner without reference to the intense Judaïzation of Germany that had been taking place for centuries before Wagner ever showed up. In fact, in his arrogant, egocentric behavior, his addiction to showmanship, and his all-consuming ambitiousness, Wagner comes across as much more of a Jew than as a pure German of the type of primitive, warlike savage portrayed by Caesar, despite Wagner's strident and hysterical condemnation of Jewish characteristics in his writings. There was surely more than a drop of Jewish blood in Wagner's veins, and he brings to mind the statement of Hitler that "If you shake a family tree in Germany long enough, a Jew will fall out of it."
Wagner is a genius....Bbc a bunch of 🤡s Shame on you, speak about Music not with Politic prejudice
Hmm. There are many ways of interpreting chords. Coming from a jazz background, and by using enharmonic spellings, I could interpret the Tristan chord as a half diminished, or a minor 7th flat 5. If the Tristan chord is thought of as a four note chord, and the somewhat smug chap in the video calls it a "diminished", is he calling it a diminshed 7th chord? If he is, he's wrong; the D# note would have move down to a D natural for it to be a diminished 7th chord. I stopped watching this video after a few minutes; I found the fellow insufferable.
This is a clip from a BBC documentary series about the history of western music by Howard Goodall. It is a bit misleading to present only this clip because at one point at the end of this episode Goodall goes off an unhinged rant about Wagner, the Nazis and the Holocaust. From memory, I think I remember him saying something incredibly stupid along the lines of "No-one would even remember Wagner today apart from a few musical historians, if it hadn't been for Hitler. Wagner never produced any memorable music and the few hum-able ditties that he did manage were stolen from Liszt". He concluded his show by stating that Wagner's music should be eradicated from the playlists of all civilized nations and never played again. Interestingly, the BBC haven't repeated this programme since it was first broadcast as I think that even they were embarrassed by the Goodall's conceited virtue signalling. Anyone with a scintilla of humanity abhors the antisemitism that was widespread across the globe for centuries but to belittle Wagner's music because the man himself was one of the many misguided antisemitic bigots in the world during his lifetime is just silly.
Well yes and no. Yes, Goodall is a slimy parasite. And no, Wagner wasn't misguided at all--merely bombastic in his thinking.
I.dont like the English after listening to this. Stuffy and over analytical condescending. Ugh. Oh for more balanced american music historian
Wagner also owes Beethoven, Weber, Meyerbeer and Berlioz a great deal.
I don't think he would agree with this statement. He hated Meyerbeer.
Where is Berlioz in this discussion. You can't omit him from any discussion of Wagner influences, and even Chopin may have used the Tristan Chord before any of them.
There's a passage in Mann's Dr. Faustus in which he claims Chopin predates Wagner in some progressive techniques.
Genius ✅
Why Richard Wagner hated the Jews? Is there a study on this hatred deep in Wgnerd mind? Is it any trauma in his childhood or intense jealousy in his adult later life or simply it was a trendy fashion to hate the Jews like the Hindus hate the Indian Muslims?
Pretty much everybody who came into contact with them started to hate them. It comes from experience. Of course today we have all sorts of hangups about guarding against this "hatred", but back then people weren't being actively indoctrinating into ignoring their own experiences regarding certain ethnic groups.
Awesome!!!
The music is nice, the guy should stop talking. He is clueless.
Wagner a genuis
This is only a BBC doc - what do you expect?
my next dog I will name Wagner.
Bad. The Tristan chord is not simply a diminished triad. It is enharmonic with a half-diminished 7th chord but it is not spelled as such and does not resolve as such. With all of the study devoted to this chord by experts in their field (music theory) do you really think you can demystify this chord with a few words?
Alternating tonality - the Tristan chord is in Eb and resolves as such as the climax of the prelude. Wagner describes it in his program notes. If more than one PHD thesis is written on a topic, no one has any idea what is going on. they need to be flunked.
What kind of organ is that one.