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Suomi on ruotsissa virallinen vähemmistökieli…

@@Uralicchannel Se ei riitä. Pitää olla sama asema kuin ruotsilla Suomessa. No, tai sitten ruotsi Suomessa alueelliseksi vähemmistökieleksi.

@@Schlageter88 Ruotsi on suomessa toinen virallinen kieli enemmän historiallisista syistä. Suomi on ollut pitkään osana ruotsia. Vaikka ruotsin väkiluvusta 15% puhuisi suomea, en uskoisi että siitä tulisi pakollinen kouluissa, koska historia on aivan eri.

@@Uralicchannel Pitäskö samoista syistä alkaa bamlaa brysselii nytte vai?

eikös meidän käskyt tullu eka ruottista ja sitten venäjältä ja nyt jostain muualta. Kenen leipää syöt, sen lauluja laulat tai jotakin siihen suuntaan..

Finnish is an official minority in Sweden bro

Also you clearly haven’t read the history of this. Meänkieli people themselves supported the status. Sweden at one point tried to teach standard Finnish to Meänkieli speakers, but it failed because standard Finnish it too different from Meänkieli and the children got demotivated to learn it. Finns understand Meänkieli better than vice versa, since Meänkieli has so many Swedish loans we Finns know from our mandatory Swedish classes.

... and that minority langusge status was askel by the People Who speak that dialect. "Divide and empera": the first made by the people, not by the emperor.

@@Uralicchannel The problem is not what language they are taught but the fact that they arent taught in their own language. Small good it does them to have one lesson about their own dialect a week when everything else is taught in swedish and sweden has even been taken to human rights court over punishing finnish children for speaking finnish to each other during school.

@@araincs That problem was not institutionalized attack on Finns, but individual teachers doing it. There is no law in Sweden that children cannot speak Finnish in school. Sweden has created whole television shows in Meänkieli among other media, I’d argue that Sweden is much better with Uralic languages than Russia is.

Yes

They are mutually integible especially because Finns learn Swedish in school, which then makes the loanwords easy to know.

@@Uralicchannel ohhh ok makes sense

Many Swedish origin loan words used by Meän kieli are used also in many other Finnish Western dialects. Meän kieli makes its own language in Sweden, but in Finnland there has been hard debate wether Meän kieli is really a language or just a dialect. There are many same type of on going debates about sevelar dialects. There has bern many ongoig debates about sevelar dialects, specially in Karelia.

​@@UralicchannelThat enforced swedish doesn't work. No one likes to study it

Meänkieli has its own literary language, and is treated as a separate language by the authorities. Even Finnish academia nowdays generally distinguishes the two. There is no reason to call it a dialect

@@Uralicchannel "is treated as a separate language by the authorities" so they can avoid granting finnish people language rights in sweden. As for finnish academia its full of subversive communists who love creating these artificial seperations because they consider any kind of finnish territorial revanchism as fascism.

@@araincs territorial revanchism is an unrealistic dream. It will never happen.

​​​@@Uralicchannel Where is the line between a language and a dialect continuum? Now that's a complex question to which you can't give an outright correct answer. The fact that meänkieli is considered another language is ofc partly a political agreement. But from a pure linguistic pov, when you look at how similar it is to Finnish, it could without a doubt be considered just a dialect. Especially when the almost exact same thing is spoken on the Finnish side of the border between Sweden and Finland and it is considered a Finnish dialect there.

@@t0msula it’s not 1:1 exact same on both sides, as the one in Sweden has way more Swedish loans and less influence from the standard Finnish language, however what distinguishes them is that Meänkieli has a standard literary language which is used in official documents.

Augghh, I ment Meän kieli reminds sevelar West-Finnish dialects. That's why it has been hard to except it as a language. In East-Finnland there has been same type of debates.

This was a comparison of written language, the modern comparison was also written, not spoken

except on ɣ, ð and θ gh = ɣ dh = ð tz = θ