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@@jrcDigitalImaging grateful to hear it was helpful to you!

@@Jesus_Christ_Conquers love the info, thanks for sharing! Have you read Crisis of Conscience?

@@jwjim I'm going to restrict my convo with you to our original comment thread so as to not to be be pulling each other in different directions at once. Please also feel free to reach out to me directly: dustin@nametheunknown.com

Firstborn is actually used quite a few times referring to the rights that one has when they are not the literal firstborn. They have the rights/authority/heir as IF they were firstborn, but were actually born after another brother, and yet scripture calls them firstborn to establish said title/rights. It wouldn’t be too crazy to apply this logic to Jesus. Especially since the whole context of Colossians 1 is literally exact that. Also, even in your world view, the term firstborn, taken in its most literal sense, is odd seeing he hadn’t created anything to be born from yet. But it’s not meant to be taken that literally. It’s about his preeminence as Colossians explains.

Paul explains clearly that it is his being firstborn of all creation, firstborn from the dead and the head of the congregation that qualifies him to be preeminent (vs 17,18)

@@jwjim so how many were involved in creating the world?

Jehovah, the Father out of whom all things (the world included) came. Jesus the Son, through whom all things (the world included) came. (1 Corinthians 8:6)

@@jwjim but Jehovah says he is the "God of gods…who alone does great wonders…who by understanding made the heavens (Psalm 136:2-5)" and "My glory I will not give to another…I am he; I am the first, and I am the last. My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call them, they stand forth together (Isa 48:11-13).” How can you hold that our dear Father Jehovah shares the glory of his marvelous act of creation with another being? Is that not the height of paganism, friend?

@@mr.d.c.1914.1 do you mind telling me, what do you think of Roman Catholics' veneration of Mary? If you approve or disapprove would you mind explaining why?

@@nametheunknown_ Catholics made Mary as Mother of GOD. SHe is actually Mother of the SON OF GOD. And it is still wrong to intercede with God using Mary as the only WAY to the Father is Jesus. Mary did not intend to steal that role from Jesus

@@mr.d.c.1914.1 why do you believe it is wrong for Mary to intercede on man's behalf to God? Do you think it is wrong that they venerate and give her religious service?

@@nametheunknown_ The ONLY MEDIATOR is Jesus Christ and NOT Mary 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

@@mr.d.c.1914.1 maybe she's not a mediator, then. Anything wrong with giving her religious veneration and service? Lighting candles to her, singing hymns about her, asking God things in her name, etc?

@@kitimmel3626 it was PACKED FULL! So worth it.

@@eprohoda it was indeed. Thanks, you too!

@@christinarobleto1786 is it your religious tradition that we must be united and that He's coming back? Why don't you have to drop yours, but I have to drop mine?

Amen!

I know. 😞 Unfortunately I do not have the equipment or set up for better sound at this time.

All the info presented in this video is also presented in written format here: nametheunknown.com/2024/04/23/the-son-of-god-the-uncreated-creator-pt-3/

@@nametheunknown_ Thank you.

Right?! Such a cool experience. I want to see this for every book of the Bible. 😭

Lol what?

If the Son is the way, truth, life, and the power and wisdom of God...a good question is: was there a point in time when these things did not exist then?

Man, all this from the video that only goes over all the verses in the JWs' favor? We haven't even gotten to the rest of the study reviewing all the other relevant verses! Thank you for contributing to the discussion, though.

@@nametheunknown_ If you are unaware who Mr.DC3 is, he is a JW keyboard warrior-troll. He cuts and pastes the SAME thing all over the channels that are tyring to help JWs out fo this cult. Engaging him is pointless, as he doesn't ever listen to anything said. You can find his graffiti all over the real Chrisitan Apologist channels that offer critical thinking about this evil cult. The people aren't necessarily evil, becuae the avedrage JW is clueless as to the facts about their organization. It's the leadership that is pure evil. The funny part is, if they knew he was positng all over youtube, he would most likely get repromanded.

@Mr.DC3.1914 Ephisians 4:6 Is saying the Father is above all. This is not teaching that Jesus is not equal to the father. examples... John 5:18 NWT "This is why the the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God." and then again later in verse 23 "so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father." Phillipians 2:5-7 NWT explains this well I think. "Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus. who although he was existing in God's form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slaves form, and became human." Jesus claimed to be equal to the Father, we see that in John's gospel. That's why the Jews wanted to kill him. But, we also read that he emptied himself to become human, so as not to be equal to the Father. He had to do this in order to be a human, and become the perfect sacrifice for our sins. He had to become lower than the Father and in submission to him for a time. Acts 2:36 NWT Says that God "made" him both Lord and Savior. This is not a statement about him creating Jesus. If I say I "made" someone a chef by hiring them at my restaurant in that position, I am in no way saying I created them. Provers 8 was talked about thoroughly in this video if you would like to watch it in its entirety! Some very good points about wisdom literature and its literary style/intent. John 5:26 Looks like The Father and the Son have the same life then. Hebrews 1:5 Has always made me feel like for certain that Jesus couldn't possibly have been Michael the Arch Angel "For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: " I will become his father and he will become my son?" This whole chapter spends a whole lot of time making it pretty clear that Jesus is far superior than ANY angel. It seems to be a rhetorical question when he says "To which of the angels has he ever said...." notice it never got answered with "he said it to Michael, the Arch Angel." Isaiah 9:6 does Indeed, quite literally call Jesus Mighty God. (el gibor to be exact) and funny enough Jehovah is referred to as mighty God (el gibor) in the very next chapter. verse 21. Matthew 21:42 is saying that the stone that the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. My interlinear has the word ginomai for both this verse and the John 1:3 you referenced, but either way, this is saying the stone that the builders rejected is becoming the cornerstone, it's not teaching about Jesus' creation. He's trying to tell the religious leaders that he is the corner stone, the most important piece. Isaiah 9:6 and Daniel 12:1 The greek word "sar" means prince, leader, Ruler of leaders, and even Patron-Angel. But that doesn't mean all of those definitions are to be applied every time the word is being used. Some things I noticed are that, in Daniel, Michael is called the great prince. Lower case p. in Isaiah Jesus is referred to as The Prince of Peace. Those are different titles, and the capitol vs lower case says a lot as well. Just how in the NWT John 1:1 the word is referred to as a god. Lower case g. I'll note however, in Isaiah 9:6, even in the NWT, he's referred to as Mighty God, capitol G. I've always found that odd. And again, next chapter over we see Jehovah being referred to as Mighty God. I say all this with love Sir, not to argue. Just some things I thought and felt lead to share with you, as I was looking at your comment. I hope you have a blessed day.

@@Quartzknee wow thanks for contributing so much thought to this discussion! I can't get to them all in as much detail as is deserved. I appreciate greatly the teamwork! Keep drinking up the Word and sharing what you know. 🙌

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." [Ephesians 2:10]

​@@nametheunknown_Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's???????

Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's????????

Amen! I certainly don't preach to them, but there have been many testimonies of ex-JWs who say that things Christians have pointed out either about the truth of the Bible or the lies of the Watchtower stuck with them and helped them get out. But you're right, ultimately it's up to the Lord and we ought to petition Him on our JW neighbors' behalf.

@@nametheunknown_ yes. I mean you can try to preach to them but they will twist everything. I personally cannot preach to them because of being brainwashed as a child and I cannot refute them without getting confused so I don't try. They only mix me up

@@dianewuchevich6208 sounds like good discernment on your part!

@@nametheunknown_ Thank you. If you would like to pray for my father who is Boyd Wuchevich that he should be freed from the JW oppressive brainwashing I'd be very grateful. He will be 82 in July and I hope he doesn't have to go to hell. Thank you very much. God bless you!

This was certainly not a scholarly video based on research (as many of my other videos are), but was a reaction based on an experience. If you happened to have somewhere you could point me to show that it is more than the 144k who hope to be with Christ after death, I'd be interested in getting that clarified.

I don't know any Christians who think eternity will be a "new type of existence". We believe in bodily resurrection and a restored Earth.

@@nametheunknown_ Maybe they or you define it differently, yet I see it as an existence that is so different from the physical existence and limits we have now with eventual death and human control over humans being an inescapable reality, that it will be like being reborn, even if only to a world where the rules have changed.

@@nametheunknown_ Also good to note that some do believe they will go to a "heaven" without a body and be able to see God directly. You certainly represent a percentage of belief, but not the whole spectrum. I have talked calmly and honestly with many people and some who honestly believe they will be given a spiritual body whereas the rest of use will get physical ones.

@@kjnoah whatever eternity will look like, of course, the question is: how do we stand before a holy and perfect God in His righteous judgement on that Day?

Jesus was resurrected bodily. But JWs don't believe that. We also get a new body. But JWs can't comprehend that.

JWs' position is actually that Jesus ceased to exist at his death and was re-created as a disembodied spirit from the memory of Jehovah.

@@nametheunknown_ That would have been a real sacrifice though? I never got why his death was that big a sacrifice if it was only for 3 days and then he came back to life but as the resurrected white robbed version. From what I read of the JW booklets they send me Jesus returned to Earth in 1918 and then received his crown, so he's still around as king of the Earth but he's just invisible for now. Jesus being an angel is kind of a secret thing you're not really supposed to know.

Thank you, yes, I agree with all you've said. I don't plan on joining JWs. I will continue to meet with my friend praying that he turns to the biblical Christ until he gets sick of me or I become convinced my time is best spent otherwise.

Amen

Your first sentence is simply factually incorrect. Totally. I'm not a JW and I think it's a lousy religion (as are most) but that's simply untrue. Your last sentence is also ridiculous - I refrain from saying it's a lie because you might actually believe what you're saying - if so, you are deluded and I hope you wake up. Discussing spiritual matters on the Internet seems to be as depressingly dishonest and combative as discussing anything else.

They do believe Jesus is Christ. The problem is that they don't believe Jesus God. They believe he's Michael archangel.

@@clivespendlove5993 just respond calmly in kindness and most of the time others will follow suit. It is difficult to read emotions and intentions through a comments section, but I typically am able to avoid any major blow ups and have often gotten grumps to be cordial and respectful just by example.

@@nametheunknown_ In response to that commentator, I did my best not to attack them but nonetheless to speak plainly - the strongest word I used was 'ridiculous' but I could have equally said 'absurd' or 'ignorant', both of which are no more and no less accurate.

Good question, friend. "For we know that our old personality was nailed to the stake along with him in order for our sinful body to be made powerless, so that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin. For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin. Moreover, if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him." (Romans 6:6-8) "But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code." (Romans 7:6) "Therefore, those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation. For the law of the spirit that gives life in union with Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death." (Romans 8:1-2) "If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you." (Romans 8:11)

@@nametheunknown_ I don’t think those verses mean that we died when Jesus died. Jesus died for our sins. Those verses show that if we decide to serve God, we die or shed our old way of living. Totally different premises.

@@555chan I certainly wasn't implying I died physically when I accepted Christ.

Paul says it over and over. Read Paul's Epistles and you'll see. But don't use the watchtower publications. Use just your Bible

Jews and gentiles

Non Jews are the great crowd. ONLY Jews make up the 144,000. There is no such thing as a spiritual Jew. The Little flock are Jews who are not necessarily the 144,000.

It makes perfect sense that Jesus was referring to the Jews and Gentiles. Concerning the other sheep Jesus said: "They too will *listen to my voice,* and there shall be *one flock* and one shepherd." This was fulfilled when the gospel was preached to the Gentiles by Paul. The Gentiles "listened" to the gospel: “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and *they will listen!”* (Acts 28:28) And Jews and Gentiles became one flock: "For he himself is our peace, *who has made the two groups one* and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to *create in himself one new man out of the two,* thus making peace, and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility." (Ephesians 2:14-16)

Did you attend as a Christian or JW?

@@nametheunknown_ as a believer in Christ. I'm a lousy follower. Yes, as a Christian. This was maybe 5 or 6 years ago.

Amen 💯😊

Thanks for your thoughts. If God has not spoken, then yes the Scriptures are fallible. But I (and my intended audience of those who claim to be Bible-believers including Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, and Christians) believe God has spoken and he has used fallible humans to communicate truth through the Scriptures they wrote. God having thoughts he has spoken being the case, we ought always to go with him and tell man-made institutions to kick rocks when they contradict him. ✌️

Agreed! If you call yourself a Christian but are willing to disagree with Christ, you have taken his name but not his Lordship.

If Christ told you to denounce God, would you disagree?

Or if christ told you to own slaves or kill your family, would you disagree? I feel like Christians don't think these statements through.

@@Yoksoup hypothetical questions are limited in their usefulness. You have essentially asked "what if Christianity isn't true?" Indeed, what if? And what if it is? And what if we're both meatballs on a plate of spaghetti? I understand your being weirded out by the concept of Lordship but perhaps you could just state your concerns or arguments against the actual Christ instead of using hypotheticals?

That was the same question asked in the video, except she had an answer. Most Christians do not have an answer, so no worries. Either you follow a Christian lifestyle or you blindly follow a chritian belief. In your case I guess you don't follow anything I guess. Should try to answer the same question sometime, you will find solid belief in that manner. Or you can just try to misquote pastors like these that do have strong beliefs and do answer questions. 😆🙏 everyone lives differently..

You're the guy who comments on all my videos who thinks he's God, right?

@@nametheunknown_ I'm just here to discuss the literature. You remind me of the religious characters in the story that wanted Jesus crucified

To what are you referring? Who's charging money for what?

@@nametheunknown_ the lady speaking said she had a degree in Divinity so I assumed that she is a professor at a college teaching Christian classes. If I was wrong on that then I apologize.

@@nametheunknown_ monetary tithing is a huge lie and charging for the gospel in any way is not only evil but it is killing people with covid. Almost every fake Minister around the world knows the answer to and covid is for them to return the money. Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8 is telling all the thieving ministers and anyone that ever sold the gospel to return the money they were never supposed to take to END covid. I am Elijah of Malachi 45-6, the 4Runner to the return of jesus. Jesus was transgender and will return as a woman. Reincarnation is real. Matthew 17:10 says Elijah must come and restore all things before the return of Jesus and that means my job is to restore truth to scripture. Matthew 19:12 says God prefers same-sex relationships for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven.

@@tonyaakaelijahdieker2543 I don't think she teaches Christian classes. She's an associate pastor.

@@nametheunknown_ then that means she charges for the gospel and that is wrong. It is so wrong that it is causing covid. Malachi too proves Malachi 3:8 is telling all the thieving ministers to return all the tithes and offerings they were never supposed to take to and covid. First off, monetary tithing is a huge lie. Charging for the gospel is called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Remember Malachi 3:8 is talking to the thieving ministers and telling anyone that ever sold the gospel to return the money to and covid. That means anyone attending the fake churches must repent for supporting evil murderers and never go back or they will remain in the Great Tribulation with them.

Oh OK. For the sake of honoring your time and mine with this conversation, allow me to be blunt: you are a false prophet speaking craziness on the internet and contradicting scripture. If you don't mind a little unsolicited admonition, get off the internet, repent, and crack opem your Bible bringing nothing to it but a rent heart. God bless you.

Who has the authority to declare what is holy tradition and what is scripture?

@@nametheunknown_ How did canon came about?

@@AbetTorontoAdventure the canon is the stuff God said.

@@nametheunknown_ It's a list of books. Right?

@@nametheunknown_ Which church can be traced back to the apostles?

Thanks for your encouragement! The glory is God's, He provided for this and if there's any good that comes of the work, it's by His grace. I pray He grants courage to all those who walk in truth...it seems we're going to need it.

We could use all the help we can get! The biggest immediate help right now I think is sharing the videos. Here's my email address: dustin@nametheunknown.com. Shoot me an email and we can stay in touch!

@@nametheunknown_ you can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

@@dansaber4427 I think this is a bot. He has made this identical comment on other videos of mine and other channels I've seen too.

@@nametheunknown_ that wouldn't make what I say any less true.

@@dansaber4427 you're real! Color me surprised. Why is it so important to you to share your belief that you can be LGBT and Christian?