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Steve Jobs @ 1st NeXTWorld Expo
I believe this was the first expo sponsored by NeXTWorld Magazine. In it Steve Jobs demos building an application with NeXTStep - the foundation of Macintosh OS-X operating system.
Had an old video tape of it so tossing it out for the web to enjoy.
Had an old video tape of it so tossing it out for the web to enjoy.
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NeXT vs Sun
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In 1991 Steve Jobs' company commissioned an head-to-head programming competition to show how much faster and easier it was to program a NeXT computer vs a Sun workstation. The NeXT operating system went on to be the foundation for Apple's Macintosh OS-X about a decade later.
Both companies defunct.
Except for the one that was bought by Apple and whose technology now at the foundation of over a billion devices.
@@paulraphaelThey were both bought. Oracle bought Sun. NeXT was based on Mach, as you probably know.
@@RBLevin Mach and lots of BSD and lots of home-grown parts. Good point about Sun being bought. Maybe we can say they both failed at hardware, but kicked some ass at software.
@@paulraphael I would say they both failed at marketing. Sun far less so than NeXT. 😄
Nobody could foresee that in the Next 15 to 20 years software would get 20 times harder to run while doing basically the exact same things. 😅
oop in 90s...wow
the Sun guy seemed so friendly lol
This fucking blows goats raw. Is it any coincidence that at this same time, MacIntosh was LIGHT YEARS ahead of this NeXT crap? Apple was in its Golden Age when Steve Slobs wasn't around to fuck it up. Not only did the Macs of the time have vastly superior OS, they were......gasp.......actually programmer friendly and you could do useful stuff simply, and build up the complexity at your discretion. There were tons of great developer tools for it -- everything from Borland stuff to CodeWarrior. With this NeXT or sun crap, you are stuck jumping through the shitty designers hoops just to do the first step. On to the second step, which is double the number of hoops to jump through. Third step is double that number of hoops, but everything contradicts the rules in the previous step, and so on. Object oriented (or any) crapware "frame works" are nothing but post-modernist (anti-structure and anti-logic) hindrances to getting actual work done. That's the tragedy of modern crapware "development" -- it's nothing but hipster sophism intended as an anti-tool in order to sell the next anti-tool as a "solution".
This is one of the more peculiar historical revisions I've read (and I've read quite a few). Apple at the time was flirting with going out of business. Stock was cratering to an all-time low. They had lost money 3 years in a row. Industry pundits were telling them to liquidate and just give the last few dollars back to the shareholders. They believed they needed an all-new, modern OS in order to stay competitive, and after many expensive years of development, their internal projects and their collaborative efforts had failed. So they went shopping for a new OS. They looked at several, debating buying BeOS or licensing Solaris, but finally decided to buy Next. A big part of that decision was the APIs and development kit. They considered this important because they needed to woo software companies to get them to gamble resources developing for a new OS and company that everyone had lost faith in. Did it work? $3 Trillion in market cap later, I'd argue yes.
I remember surfing the internets on a NeXT computer back in the days.
Did you get there riding a dinosaur.. 🦖 ..😂
I know NeXT was superior, I mean I own a Mac, but Sun's DE was a-we-so-me!
These are "application users"..like Microsoft Office ..LOL hehehe :-)
Epic fight!
I love how entertaining, true, and shady this is. It's premium Steve Jobs.
2:55 Was it John Carmack? You know Doom, Quake
I'd like to see Sun's version of this 'unbiased' presentation. I don't doubt that IB w/Objective-C along with the NeXT AppKit was the better development environment but to call this an 'objective' (no pun) viewpoint- I don't think so. I'm surprised they didn't have the Sun guy wearing a pocket protector.
Fascinating. I'd still prefer the Sun. But fascinating.
There was a saying at the time, "Who's down with OOP?"
I feel it for the poor Sun guy, dealing with fields in 'C', too painful
'All without writing a single line of code', pleeeease, that's a lie. I worked with those NeXT workstations and yes they were spectacular, but 0 code, that's sales talking.
For those particular functions. Adding icons to the buttons, and talking about built in functions already present in the built in email client that weren't part of this app at all. (eg recording voice messages)
only a year or so later, could have made the application in powerbuilder within time of the video
a two best system are same built on top of Unix
I just watched my first nerd-off.
00=nut spo-key-en 2erms..!!
Gotta love the FM Synthesis music as a background. Thanks to NeXT- I do development work that sometimes replicates InterfaceBuilder :)
The most unscientific experiment ever....
While this is clearly an ad, it's worth mentioning that NeXT and SUN had rather different use scenarios/user cases in real life, and this comparison, biased or not (I suspect not) is pointless at its core. Database-related processing tasks were always the strongest card with the SUN, no matter how hard NeXT tried to outcompete them.
So they joined them!
I remember seeing NeXT systems for sale in the UCLA bookstore but it was too expensive for most students. This Ad was about the time that NeXT started pivoting to Wall Street and other corporate clients.
Nice
When you realize that the video was made by NeXT and the results are obviously gonna favor the NeXT machine, lol
Wow, the origin of Visual Basic.
I've always loved the styling of the NeXT computers. Even the Paul Rand designed NeXT logo is super cool. If Sun and Apple had merged their best technologies, the result probably would have been the ultimate computer, combining RISC processors and industrial-strength multiprocessing OS with multithreaded compiler w/ libraries and OpenGL 3D hardware paired with best graphical interface and object oriented programming tool chain. SGI was the only other company that had industrial design comparable to NeXT.
NeXT is cool and all, but am I the only who is thinking Sun's looks better as DE? Sometimes to me less is better, but I think that's are opinion... for example I like DE such as Gnome or Unity.
Yes like jobs are going to pay for a "competition" and the result could be that it was faster developing on sun's :P
Hate how they had to zoom into the poor guy's bald spot when it was time to beat up on Sum.
Where are all the Indians? Didn’t they invent Silicon Valley?
Fast-forward to 2021: have someone from 2005 build a website vs someone from 2021. The latter one will spend 3-4 hours picking a JS framework and configuring the build system. :)
I hate when this kid types really slow on a mechanical keyboard
Yes, deving in Sun was tedious but not that much. And yes; NextStep was a step ahead because the tools
There is one basic flaw, coding is 7% of the software development and QA is 40-60% depending on how mission critical the software is. And for the ad : Sun workstation guy looks like a Wall-street guy a.k.a Michael Douglas (representing the boring and bureaucracy a.k.a enterprise ) and the Next guy is hip and cool kid on the block using new and cool things. The same concept is used in Mac vs PC ads. And I'm pretty sure that the same concept is used with the new technologies for more than 30 years after this ad. And 80% of software developers fall for this trick for 30 years
Next interface seems better than microsoft visual studio and QT LOL
Thank you for uploading this piece of history ;)
Jacob
Or you could have done this in HyperCard in 15 minutes
it's incredibly weird to see a video from 1991 mentioning all this stuff that is still in xcode
I got my first cube in 2000 or so, and was amazed at the similarities between OpenStep and the Mac OS X Developer Preview - with the pretty aqua of course. Interface Builder was functionally the same! (Wait was IB provided with the DP MacOS X?)
Yep. In a way your watch is a tiny NeXT computer :)
what you think this stuff was just developed overnight? you probably think that women don’t shit either do you? 🤨
There are parts of unix that we still use that date back to the 70s. If it ain't broke...
Then VB came out, so anyone with a $1000 PC could rapid prototype and hire from the large BASIC developer pool.
But wasn't VB extremely limited when it first arrived?
a pity that apple has always needed a Unix underlying OS on their systems.. :)
This was really high-end in 1991. Thats why the world adopted PC clones. They were much cheaper.
Top os
Boy, oh boy, the neXt boys were so desperate.
As a computer science student i find out building Next OS , according to this video , is easy as a piece of cake 🤣 - but in reality, I almost did non GUI at school and face with ugly error message and long long terminal cmd to finish the final look
GUI Gallery toastytech.com/guis/index.html
a race between a ferrari and a ham sandwich, why ?
its not programmig its a desing like apple learning programming language much more easy
"Industry standard TIFF format..." How'd that work out?
Pretty well as it's still used to this day in millions of fax machines.
@@rztrzt And scanners / document management platforms.
@@TheyRiseBand correct
Look it up on wikipedia. Still a very valid image format, especially for lossless compression of documents.