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Quest hubs are not bad, they usually also make sense from a lore perspective, I dont mind it. What I mind is the obvious gamification like somehow all 7 quests from this area lead you to the damn exact same location every single time without any kind of exception, and that is the case since cata.

You are right, but the developer does 100% also have the responsability to understand what requests made by the players are good and which ones are bad. The players dont always know what they want, but if you want to make a good game and you are a good creator you will understand the diffrence. But sometimes the devs do not understand and sometimes blizzard does not care anyway because stuff like boosts and p2w is profitable.

u got it. blizzard gave gear for free no daily grinds no nothing, just log in and play. oh what a surprise, people are still unhappy and still not playing after literally getting everything what they asked for.

I did not get into it because at the end of the day who gives a fuck anymore? What are they gonna do? Ruin the economy? We already have wow tokens and the economy is still busted since garisons were a thing in WOD. The situations is so bad in retail that bots are not even important anymore

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 I do not agree as i lost quite a few people to complains regarding bots and how they ruin the game preventing actual players from farming zones etc.

It is. They even removed gender and you pick "body type" in character creation. Dystopian stuff

How come?

Yep

You can get very good gear by using gold what the hell you mean, I know a guy who works for a site that sells mythic raid runs, you pay them in gold they give you loot, how are people not understanding this. Its not about a game being grindy, its about pay 2 win. Also "the only MMO that constantly remains relevant is wow" are u sure about that? Not only are there many other MMOs who are relevant and have been for years and years too, some older than WOW like Runescape, but lets not kid ourselves and imagine that WoW's situation would be the same if back in BFA and Shadowlands days there would have been no classic that boosted the sub counts to insane numbers

@ivanthespacebiker5390 this has nothing to do with the game itself. It doesn't mean the game is pay to win by no means. It's even against the ToS. Also, you can pay for carries in literally any game.

@@erickfuga what. bro go play the damn game for at leas 20 minutes then come and comment stuff here. How is buying wow tokens with your own real money and using it to buy carries that give you the best loot in the game not pay to win? And yes, payed carries - gdkp's are not the problem, I mentioned in the video that I love them as a concept, it helps make gold a relevant resource and relevant for progression, but it all goes down the shitter when said gold can be bought for real life money, it makes it pay to win. Its quite easy to understand, you pay real cash you get in game loot, can you really not comprehend it or are you trolling? The game is filled with people advertising carries, you either dont play the game or u trolling. Not even sure if it is against ToS, it sure is not in classic and Cataclysm I would be amazed if it was here, and it for sure checks out since the game is filled with it

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 I've been playing this game for a decade, buddy. I was there when they introduced the token, I was there 3000 years ago. I've paid my subs with the token countless times. The token is legal, but gold in WoW doesn't do much. It serves mostly for consumables and cosmetic purposes. Paying for carries is in a shady area, where several practices are against ToS. Also, getting tokens in exchange for a carry must be one of the most inefficient ways to get gear. Even if you're motivated enough, the raids are locked for 1 drop/difficulty/boss, and boss drops are limited. Gear is not shareable across all classes and specs, and drops are random. That means that even if you get a mythic raid carry, there is NO guarantee that gear will drop for you. Keep in mind that at the beginning of the season, no one will be selling Mythic carries, as the few groups that have the skills for that, are still progressing and getting gear for themselves. Higher levels of Mythic+ are also hard to carry. It's not as simple as simple "pay to win". You'll have to pay, but also be around all the time - as account sharing is against ToS. Now let's say you really have the money to pay for all possible carries, and you manage to get pretty decent gear in a month. You now have a set that's mostly only decent for PvE, and PvE groups usually pick their players very carefully, regardless of gear. So the carried player would most likely end up with a gear that serves no purpose, as he doesn't know how to play the game. If he attempts PvP, he'll lose to any skilled player, and even if he manages to get endgame PvE groups via group finder, he'll be removed in the first stupid death. WoW is not p2w in any sense, because again, even if you manage to get top-tier gear, you won't win anything without the skills. And usually, skilled players won't be paying for someone else to play on their behalf. I've said it and I'll say it again: today's MMORPG market is completely different from what it was when WoW debuted. There are no relevant competitive paid games out there. WoW is the only one that manages to do it. I agree with you in the sense that most of WoW's player base is from old players, but for most of those, even the ones that didn't play the last expansions, WoW is back. I mean, that's what being back means, right? How can it be "back" for someone who never played it? And by the way, I've tried to play vanilla WoW back in the day, it it was nowhere near being "noob-friendly". It's way easier to play the game nowadays.

Gear used to be the real end game, its not anymore sure. Getting a high ilvl set right now is not even close to the feeling you would get by dropping a really good and rare weapons back in vanilla and to a lesser extenet tbc and wotlk. As about carries being in the game, of course they were and some were also done using botted gold, but 1 - not all of it was, there were a lot of people who went into GDKPs with their own gold and 2 - RMT gold was way less present because it could get you ban

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 The development team have essentially told their base that gear is just a never-ending mouse wheel. Gear is so meaningless now that it's basically trash, and it does literally become vendor trash in a couple of months. The mindset has changed. The gameplay is still fun though imo.

Never played GW2 man, its up there with some really popular MMOs I must try

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 the main reason i mentioned it, is because you said in the video you like grinding gold in games. That’s one of the reasons i fell in love with the game. If you love grinding the open world for gold (like i do) then GW2 is really good. It will take some time to get use to the game, if you’re new to it, because it is quite different from wow with its vertical progression and kinda sandboxy do-what-you-want endgame.

Where the hell did u get these facts mate? You could just check it yourself really fast looking into the data itself, but if you dont want to do that just go for a quick click on Bellular's channel and see that M+ is in an awful place right now. And even if it was in a great place, as it was in Dragonflight season 2, so what? The point is exactly that the game is made to appeal to the existing player base and while that is not bad, they can do what the heck they want, you cannot deny that there is a much larger of people who do not play the game because of these decisions.

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 it's more popular than dragonflight season 1, and it's competing with delves for that player participation.

​@@ivanthespacebiker5390 Bellular hasn't done a video on the numbers for several weeks unless he does it on a different channel. You can look up the data yourself all the way from SL. It's obvious that TWW has good player retention. The usual drop from week 1 to week 8 is at least 50%. SL S1 had a 66% drop. TWW only has a 36% drop. Looking at the data from DF: for week 7, there were 1.91M keys done in DF S1, a 40,7% drop from week 1; 2.03M key done in DF S3, a 31% drop; 1.62M in TWW S1, a 36.3% drop; 672k keys in DF S4, a 48% drop, no data for S2 week 7 but the numbers were almost the same as S4 for the 3 weeks before, so the drop was the same. TWW week 8 has exactly as many keys done as there were in week 7, 1.55M. It's been very constant for 3 weeks now. In SL, the drop between week 1 and 8 was always around 50% or more. TWW has therefore, according to data, very good player retention. Also, since many people were pushed out of M+ by the key level squish in TWW, we would expect a decent drop in keys per week. The drop turned out to be very minimal, even with the people pushed out. Either they skilled up really fast, or more people are pushing keys.

100% valid reason

The thing is, even if the stories themselves would be on paper the most brutal stuff u ever heard (they are extremely far from that) it would still feel Disney because of the presentation. Visually everything is so soft, the voice acting is so soft, the artstyle and visual design is so soft. Presentation matters. You can tell the lore of something like Warhammer 40k using a deep dark voice or using Dora the explorer, and even tho the stories would be the damn same, the end product would be so diffrent. And all of this is of course assuming that the story itself is not a Disney fiesta, and it is

​@@ivanthespacebiker5390I wonder if rebooting the universe , with WoW Awakening rumor with High Elves and Orges, new area in vanilla world would bring WoW back to its golden years?

​@@ivanthespacebiker5390old school wow reminds me of "Dragon Ball and Dragon Z" and retail more like DB super, super good but not as iconic as Z

Ye. Sometimes the stories in classic are amazing sometimes they are shit, at least you are not forced into 4-5 hour long campaigns that are basic and empty

What is that supposed to mean? Progression built on in-game challenges instead of time spent? I mean, classes aren't really problematic by themselves, they serve the fantasy of the world after all. What do you mean by these exactly?

@@JohnRengo-h4w Nothing wrong with classes but it's when you get locked into a class.. Have you ever learned a skill in real life? It's the same thing.. You train at it and you get better at the skill whether it's a type of martial art or trade.. You don't need any other systems in place.. Things like abilities and talents could be unlocked with whatever skill you decide to use and gain skill points in, it's used based progression.. WoW should have never gotten rid of their weapon skill system from Classic WoW, they should have gotten rid of character leveling instead and improved on it.. When I was working on a private server it was something I intended to eliminate, I converted all the classes into various skills and ended up with about 50 skills and when you raise a skill you get abilities/talents to go with it and you sort of stack them up, players were given a hard cap of 700.0 points which worked out perfectly, it means they could max 7 skills at 100.0 points each.. Unlocking the final talents/abilities at 100.0.. Stats also were governed by skills and professions became apart of the same skill system.. You could essentially have a crafter with 700.0 points dumped into crafting abilities only and no combat skills, it essentially made "crafters" a class.. Your character attributes would raise along with your skills, casting spells and raising your magery would gain you intelligence, using a stealth ability would gain you in a stealth skill and agility, using a two handed mace you'd gain strength, go out mining and you gain stamina, you could also set skills to lower/raise if you wanted to change your build.. Gear would have been restricted to what your attributes were but I never got that far. I found that it was easier to have skills go from 0.1 - 25.0 and for every 25.0 points is when the skill improved and the character would unlock new abilities and talents. Here is a example Tactics was one of the skills I added Tactics (Warrior) 0 0-25: Battle Shout, Commanding Shout 26-50: Demoralizing Shout, Shield Bash 51-75: Disarm, Tactical Mastery 76-100: Mocking Blow, Warbringer Tactics (Warrior) Tier 1 (0-25) Improved Shout: Increases the duration of shouts by 5%. Battle Shout: Increases attack power by 5%. Tier 2 (26-50) Commanding Shout: Increases stamina by 10%. Demoralizing Shout: Reduces enemy attack power by 10%. Tier 3 (51-75) Shield Bash: Reduces the cooldown of Shield Bash by 10%. Disarm: Increases the duration of Disarm by 10%. Tier 4 (76-100) Tactical Mastery: Increases overall tactical effectiveness by 15%. Warbringer: Reduces cooldown of charge abilities by 10%.

Cant say I agree. MMOs should not focus on progressing through skill alone, its an RPG. You should be able to progress by playing a role and that is more than just your class. Being a blacksmith, being a rich dude, being a carry etc etc. Plus, if the progression would be through player skill, who decides where the line of player skill is? You would literally have to use a bar that says "this is an average player so it has average gear" and then well, u get in a ton of issues - first one from the top of my mind its a lack of perfect balance, classes would still not be equal so people with equal skill could have huge diffrences in their progression. There are of course a ton of other problems with that

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 the most balanced games I have played have been MMOs where skill is the main form of progression, Ultima Online, Darkfall, Mortal Online, and a bunch of others, what they do is dial back on the gear progression so that the power creep isn’t as high, your skills outweigh what you wear.. Depending on what skills you work typically determines your class. use based skill systems are also more fun. UO came out almost a decade before WoW in 1997 and came with a skill progression system.. It’s still there and you can still play it, Outlands is a lot of fun.. It is very balanced, grindy and fun.. But it’s also a sandbox.

@@Eyrothath I mean, as I said I did not mention all the problems, I think there is a huge ammount of them - too much to cover into a comment section (but I have to agree is an interesting topic mate, might make it into a video and put the deserved ammount of effort into responding). But what I can say, and its not a diss on those MMOs you mentioned, but I am saying, the fact that I only heard of Ultima Online says something about them. Something is up with them since they are far from really successful, not sure what but if that is the progression system present there I would say that might be a big reason

Nah man, the game was really well recieved by a ton of people, the people who played for the last few expansions and did not quit love this stuff

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 They do love it thats for sure, but I can't say they are all hardcore WoW fans anymore. I mean, when the biggest WoW streamer who was there since TBC stops playing your game after SL, its a sign that many other players also did the same, likely even before him. I saw people say that DF's story was the best so far with amazing villains, but I doubt they actually knew the prior expansions at all. So if anything, they are making the game for the current playerbase, I think that is a more acceptable term to use.

@@notyourdaughter666 i mean it might resolve some of the community issues at best, but the game is still the same. Anything bad about the game outside of player action or interaction cannot be resolved by moonguard :(

@@catrinastars I think people not caring about the story is just another side effect of having a shit story, the people who used to care or who would care simply dont play. I was a high end mythic raider back in BFA so I was a gameplay first kind of guy I guess but I can definetly give myself as an example (as well as most my friends and family who played in the past) - the game fell of hard for me when the story got so god damn bad. I think an mmo does not need a good story to succeed it just needs one that is not the most basic bland disney and nonsensical bullshit of all time

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 i’d also like to point out you said you preferred games that did exactly that.

@@catrinastars what?

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 nvm replied to the wrong video, sorry

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 i doubt you've mythic raided lol

Yea, RP is very personal, if you are into it its very hard to get spoiled by anything blizzard could do. I am not an RP person so i cant talk to much on it

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 I mostly solo RP on Moon Guard but every now and then I have random encounters with other players and then get caught up in their long-leggedy drama for a bit. The restrictions of the F2P account makes it a very interesting experience when I've played as a subbed player since Vanilla.

First of all, I actually trully believe they will nail that aspect for many diffrent reasons. But regarding the first point, I do really believe they are making it for existing players. I dont agree with their design and I think the game is fucked beyond belief and needs a reset but they do listen to their playerbase a lot and do what they really believe it would make them happy. That being said, yes, it comes with the big downside that they cater to a group of people that is so damn small compared to the number of people who dont play because the game is designed this way

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 I dont really think that it caters to a small group, rather that the group it does cater to doesn't embody the ideal(s) that make an mmo, an mmo. All the impetus is put on instanced content and not the game world as a whole. So all the world building aspects that would previously drive the game forward are now replaced with motionless short term seasonal pursuits. Essentially they have patched the "life" out of the game. You have no incentive to stick around or to grow attatched, since now the game is only as big as the top end of the current season.

it trends up after wod with the release of every expansion. Estimates right now are about 7 million subs.

@@bigmanejacksen639 its definetly lower than 7 mil and that numbers is also referring to classic players too - so retail + cata + sod + era + aniversary anyone who pays a sub

The Chinese servers were shut down years ago though because of a controversy, were they not? Or did they resolve the issue and opened servers again?

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 yeah man, im talking about subscriptions. didnt say there are 7m tww mythic raiders lol. the 7million figure comes from a GDC talk they gave this year. it was over 7m when SoD launched, and I dont imagine it slowed down after that with cata and tww coming out.

ur welcome mate <3

Yea, besides being super bad because of shit pay to win and microtransactions (the classic) its also breaking all the immersion.

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 man people buy gold like crazy in classic and era and spend it on gdkps. if you dont think that's the case you're out of your mind. there wouldnt be so many bots in classic if there wasnt a market for botted goods. you severely exaggerate the p2w in retail. very few people are paying for carries through mythic raids, and even going through the raid once wont get you the gear or crests to upgrade anything.

Imagine a really good open world RPG in the universe of wow placed somewhere in the timeline of warcraft 2 to the end of vanilla wow that has that brutal vibe of the old games. God damn that would be insane. I also cant imagine that not being a huge financial success, but the would as I said need to be really good

Same, its fun

You are definetly not alone and the devs learned a lot from how shit shadowlands and BFA were when it comes to respecting the player's time. As I said in the video, the problems WoW has are not linked to an expansion really, its about the fundamentals. TWW is not bad, on paper its 100% an above average expansion. Its just that an expansion would need to be extraordinarly good to bring back the gigantic number of players who gave up or to bring in a significant number of new players. But yea, for people who are into WOW right now the expansion is great

​@@ivanthespacebiker5390essentially they need to do a new legion...everyone...everyone, loved legion and TBC.

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 dude i think u just lost passion for wow in general. been playing since wrath and this expansion has been one of my favorites ever, got 2 new friends into the game and they're loving it.

​@@spots8060 pssst, it's cool to hate...

Yea ... thats why im pointing out that while Chris Metzen being more involved into the story of future expansions gives me some hope, its not that much because the entire team is a mess

Bro really said "DEI" and "woke" like people give a shit if there's a gay character in the game. People just want a good product. I agree with the greed though the 90 dollar mount is over the top

@@dr3armer oh, the people who "care" about that, either already left or are playing Classic atm. If you don't understand something as simple as that (which has been going on for a long while now) you clearly have no grasp of the situation at all lol.

you sound like the biggest most triggered snowflake in history. oh my god.

@@YUhave2Bawsome they left because they don't like the current game, not because of politics. Your typical gamer does not care or follow politics