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The 401K Dilemma: Should You Max Out?
In this conversation, Chad discusses who should and who shouldn't max out their 401k/403b plans. He identifies three groups of people who should max out their retirement plans: those who are behind on their retirement savings, those who believe tax rates will be low in retirement, and those who are planning for required minimum distributions (RMDs). On the other hand, he also identifies groups of people who shouldn't max out their retirement plans: those with a bad 401k plan, those with high-interest debt, those not funding (or maxing) their Roth/HSA, those who believe tax rates will be higher in retirement, and those who need liquidity. Chad emphasizes the importance of tax diversification and having a diversified portfolio of pre-tax assets, Roth assets, and taxable accounts.
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Key Insights 💡
• Three groups of people who should max out their retirement plans: those who are behind on their retirement savings, those who believe tax rates will be lower in retirement, and those who are planning for required minimum distributions (RMDs)
• Five groups of people who shouldn't max out their retirement plans: those with a bad 401k plan, those with high-interest debt, those not funding (or maxing) their Roth/HSA, those who believe tax rates will be higher in retirement, and those who need liquidity.
• Tax diversification is important to have a diversified portfolio of pre-tax assets, Roth assets, and taxable accounts
• Consider employer matches and take advantage of them even if you fall into the “shouldn't” group
• Liquidity is a downside of maxing out retirement plans, as the money is tied up until retirement.
Highlights 🕒
00:00 Introduction
00:50 Who Should Max Out Their Retirement Plans?
06:34 Who Shouldn't Max Out Their Retirement Plans?
14:05 The Importance of Tax Diversification
14:30 Conclusion
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  • @chrisbalderas1252
    @chrisbalderas1252 5 днів тому

    Great job!

  • @PratapShinde
    @PratapShinde 5 днів тому

    Can physicians get the loan based on Signed contract that's effective 10 months in future

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 днів тому

      Depends on the provider and their underwriting, but you should be able to use that signed contract.

    • @PratapShinde
      @PratapShinde 5 днів тому

      @@WealthKeel Thank you. Just now came off the phone with one of the lender and they said they can do only if it's out 120 days. Do you know any lenders whom I can use in this scenario

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel День тому

      @@PratapShinde Give this link a try based on your state, and reach out to a few of the leaders in your state. www.whitecoatinvestor.com/personal-finance/the-doctor-mortgage-loan/

  • @chad3859
    @chad3859 8 днів тому

    If I transfer a 529 plan from Vanguard to Fidelity, does it reset the 15 year rule or does it go off the origination date at Vanguard?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 днів тому

      Unfortunately, there is no official guidance on this still from the IRS. The 529 industry submitted a letter to the IRS in September 2023 seeking guidance on this issue. It is unclear if or when the IRS will provide the requested guidance. Personally, I feel like this one would hold up, but with this being the first year, we don't have a good answer yet.

  • @swttingbelize
    @swttingbelize 12 днів тому

    You briefly talked about cash jobs such as babysitting and mowing lawns and keeping documentation, Are they able to use this income for funding their ROTH?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 12 днів тому

      Yep! As long as you report that income on their taxes, you would be good to invest in a Roth IRA.

  • @cmil8191
    @cmil8191 15 днів тому

    QUESTION: Thank you for taking the time to do this video. I have a pre tax 401K through my work. Can I then open a Fidelity traditional IRA and a ROTH IRA then contribute 6,500 after tax moeny (or whatever the max for Roth) in the traditional IRA and move all of the 6,500 to the Roth IRA??? Would this be considered as the backdoor Roth??? And I will NOT be subject to the pro-rate rule??? I am not touching my 401K it just stays there. Then in my tax return, I will fill out the form 8606. Thank you for your time in advance.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 14 днів тому

      Thank you! 😊 Yes, your outline looks good for a BD Roth. Your 401k will not have an effect on the pro-rata rule. You are safe there.

  • @SMOKERcs
    @SMOKERcs 20 днів тому

    Ur rock. Speak about side hustle

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 14 днів тому

      Thank you! 🙏 I will plan to add a video on side-gigs in the near future. I appreciate the topic suggestion (one of my favorite topics)!

  • @TheAndreasJones
    @TheAndreasJones 20 днів тому

    Thank you for this video

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 20 днів тому

      Thank you for the note! 🙏

  • @SamuelOjewale-pc8ru
    @SamuelOjewale-pc8ru 22 дні тому

    Hi, I understand that you pay employment tax if you have a S-Corp. Do you also pay federal income tax as well? if so, what portion of the income do you pay federal income tax on?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 22 дні тому

      Hey 👋 Two main income streams from an S-Corp are Salary and Draws. They are both subject to Federal taxes, but only the salary is subject to FICA taxes. They key is finding the correct salary to keep the IRS happy.

  • @jeremewright6962
    @jeremewright6962 24 дні тому

    First, thanks a bunch for this video. The nuances of this have been tricky to follow but this is the best video I've seen to clear up some of these issues/and avoid them. However, I do have a question which you touched on in the 8606 section of the video. Like you mentioned, before I performed my 1st Roth Conversion about a month ago, I made sure I had $0 in my Traditional IRA (I'd rolled it into my 401k a couple of years ago), so I'm good there as I started with $0 in my traditional IRA before performing the Traditional --> Roth conversion. However, I ran into the "pennies" issue and I have a clarifying question to ask you. On 8/20, I contributed $7K to my traditional IRA to max my 2024 IRA contribution. The contribution cleared on 8/21, at which time I converted the entire balance of $7K from my Traditional IRA to my Roth IRA. However, after looking at my Fidelity account this morning, I noticed I have $0.95 of interest earned in the money market fund the $7K was in for 1 day (8/20 to 8/21). So, now my Traditional IRA has a balance of $0.95 and will obviously continue to pay interest as $0.95 sits in the account. So here's my question - instead of converting the $0.95 from the TIRA to Roth, could I just transfer the $0.95 to my company 401k (into the traditional - pre tax - portion of my 401k account) to keep the 8606/1099-R clean and not create additional taxable income? I'm less concerned about paying the marginal tax rate on $0.95 and more so just trying to keep the tax forms clean. Not to mention, the in-plan conversion from my Traditional IRA to my Roth IRA is super simple, so an extra form really is no sweat to keep it simple. I assume the $0.95 would be the portion for which I owe marginal taxes.

  • @TheReviewPigeon
    @TheReviewPigeon Місяць тому

    very informative video. I recently this past year started contributing to my 457b and the more im learning about it the more thankful I am to have it over some other options ive had in the past

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel Місяць тому

      Thank you! 🙏 Happy to hear you are taking advantage of this additional savings bucket. Great job! 👊

  • @TheAndreasJones
    @TheAndreasJones Місяць тому

    Great video. Thank you

  • @larissarodrigues3089
    @larissarodrigues3089 Місяць тому

    So nice !!!

  • @samdang8271
    @samdang8271 2 місяці тому

    Do Physician Assistants (PA) qualify?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 2 місяці тому

      Yes, but it varies by lender. Flagstar and Regions are two that come to mind for PAs in particular, but I know there are others.

  • @ghassanayyad
    @ghassanayyad 2 місяці тому

    Do Pharmacists qualify?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 2 місяці тому

      Yes, it can vary by lender, but many programs do allow pharmacists to qualify 🎉

  • @robertoramos3949
    @robertoramos3949 2 місяці тому

    Hi thanks for the video, it’s very informative! Quick question, early this year I contributed $7000 to traditional IRA, which so far has made about $900 in gains, so my total balance is $7900. When I do the backdoor conversion to Roth IRA, can I just simply convert the full $7900 and pay taxes on the $900 gains at time of conversion? Also when I complete form 8606, on line 1 would the total nondeductible contribution for year be the original $7000 or the $7900 which includes its gains?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 2 місяці тому

      Thank you! 🙏 Yes, correct. If you made a $7k non-deductible contribution in 2024, but it grows to $7,900 at the time of the conversion, the $900 would be taxable. In terms of completing the 8606 correctly, you should work with your accountant, but your notes match up to what we like to see. Line 1 in nondeductible contributions for that given tax year should be listed there ($7k in your example). Part II, Line 18 is usually where you would see the taxable amount reported ($900 in your example). I am using the 2023 8606 since 2024 is not out yet, so the lines/form wording may not be the same in 2024, so just watch for that.

  • @lotushealingsanctuary
    @lotushealingsanctuary 2 місяці тому

    What's the difference between a backdoor & a conversion?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 2 місяці тому

      Backdoor Roths are tax-neutral and usually used during your working years, since we are being forced to use a work around due to higher income limits not allowing you to save directly to a Roth IRA. Roth Conversion are more or less a specific move in order to "fill up" lower tax brackets while income is lower (usually between retirement and RMDs). This should also help lower your future "forced" tax bill caused by RMDs. These will increase your tax bill, but purposely. Great question. It is complicated, so that is a very short version. I also saw your other note and I will work on a future video for this topic. Thank you!

  • @flacohernandez2741
    @flacohernandez2741 2 місяці тому

    ❤ gracias el Flaco flakito Hernandez mi cor Azul es el cielo el ahigre k nos mantiene vivos agua por eso no contaminar el planeta

  • @HenryJust-r8o
    @HenryJust-r8o 2 місяці тому

    My name is Henry

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 2 місяці тому

      In your case, you should not stop being you. Be you, Henry. 😉

  • @arunkumarsomasundaram7349
    @arunkumarsomasundaram7349 2 місяці тому

    This is super helpful and is on top of my mind.Instead of doing a Roth conversion between retirement age and RMD age, do you have a suggestion to pivot to Roth 401k instead of 401k during working years. This is not easy since we are leaving tax dollars and its earnings. Thoughts ?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 2 місяці тому

      Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed it! It is complicated, but for most of our clients (high income households) we are not leaving any pre-tax dollars on the table until those tax brackets come down. One thing you can do to start to build up some Roth assets while not leaving any pre-tax dollars behind is Backdoor Roth IRA contributions. It is a very personal question with a lot of moving parts. Sorry to leave it open-ended.

  • @simonmacdonald888
    @simonmacdonald888 2 місяці тому

    First 7-7-2024 in a blah blah newspaper

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 2 місяці тому

      Not sure I follow this, but thanks for the comment!

  • @HB-yq8gy
    @HB-yq8gy 3 місяці тому

    We hate killing our wealth for stupid vehicles. Our vehicles will last way until our seventies 60 y/o now.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Get from point A to point B (safely 😉) and that is all you need! 🙌

  • @Chrisbuildsstuff247
    @Chrisbuildsstuff247 3 місяці тому

    Maybe if kids my age other than me actually new how to fix and properly take care of a vehicle they could buy used and have a half decent vehicle with little to no car payment

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Love this! I think the issue for many (probably myself included), we are intimidated by the “fix” part. However, I will say with UA-cam, I feel like many of us can fix things we never imagined. Most importantly, good work Chris! 👊

  • @70ixlr86
    @70ixlr86 3 місяці тому

    Cant afford to maintain a car that's used anymore?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Everything is expensive these days 😔

  • @BooYaGrandpa12
    @BooYaGrandpa12 3 місяці тому

    And CRNA’s

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Yes, this is true but CRNAs will vary from bank to bank. Not all will approve CRNAs.

  • @missmakeithappen3145
    @missmakeithappen3145 3 місяці тому

    I need to know more sir

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Full blog post here: wealthkeel.com/blog/7-tips-for-hiring-your-nanny/ Full UA-cam video here: ua-cam.com/video/wJRL7W29R4Q/v-deo.html Thanks for asking! 🙌

  • @gabeartful
    @gabeartful 3 місяці тому

    Awesome video

  • @doggydogdaily
    @doggydogdaily 3 місяці тому

    1)Meal Delivery 2)Car Wash 3)Massage 4)Mobile Grooming for the Dog

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      I assume #4 is your favorite 🐶

  • @Sharpshooter649
    @Sharpshooter649 3 місяці тому

    Does that mean they charge you 8% interest for not paying enough taxes?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Correct, that’s the interest rate they charge on underpayment penalties

    • @Sharpshooter649
      @Sharpshooter649 3 місяці тому

      @@WealthKeel can first time penalty abatement be used on that?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      ​@Sharpshooter649 This is a solid question, but it is likely better for your accountant or an accountant. I was under the impression that was usually used for failure to file, pay, or deposit.

  • @cherylking8974
    @cherylking8974 3 місяці тому

    Maybe seft rogers being threatenen,

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Not sure I follow…

  • @flyingCoconut.
    @flyingCoconut. 3 місяці тому

    It's important for domestic workers to vet families as well. As a retired career nanny, it's a common misconception that hurts the workers and industry. Nannies and domestic workers vet your families! This is not a one sided relationship. The practice of vetting the family will protect you from hurt, pain, abuse, and uncaptured wages and benefits. You deserve a great employer and workplace culture!

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      Yes! Very good point!

  • @krzzzy19
    @krzzzy19 4 місяці тому

    Does your flat fee count as a leak? $3k setup fee and $1200 a month is a little ridiculous.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 4 місяці тому

      It is a fair question, and I am not going to sugarcoat our $1,200/m fee. However, the reality is that for you to hit that number, you have an annual income of $500k-$1m and a net worth of $1m-$3m. We are finding much larger "leaks" for our clients in that income and net worth range year in and year out. Our current waitlist is now for May 2025, so we could argue that we need to increase those fees soon to slow demand (we don’t plan too 😉).

  • @Felishad11
    @Felishad11 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for this explanation. So, the tax bracket doesn’t have to be lowered through donations (DAF) to receive a tax deduction? Does this apply to federal taxes as well?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 4 місяці тому

      Not sure if I follow your comment exactly, but, with a DAF contribution if it allows you to get over the standard deduction it would help lower your federal tax bill in that year.

    • @Felishad11
      @Felishad11 4 місяці тому

      @@WealthKeel The tax bracket doesn’t have to be lowered from 37% to 24% in order to receive a deduction from charitable contributions correct?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 4 місяці тому

      @@Felishad11 That's Correct. There is no rule that would require lowering a tax bracket(s) to use a DAF.

    • @glammav14344
      @glammav14344 2 місяці тому

      What we usually do is take out some amount from RMD to charitable 501c to church. How will this DAF work with QCD? Thanks!

  • @mikena3565
    @mikena3565 4 місяці тому

    Is tsp considered protected against the pro rata rule and not an obstacle for a back door Roth.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 4 місяці тому

      Yes, all clear. TSP is not included in the pro rata calculations. 👍

  • @randomguy23448
    @randomguy23448 4 місяці тому

    Nice but video starts at 0:44

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 4 місяці тому

      Well, technically, the videos starts at 00:01 and chapter 1 starts at 00:44 😉

  • @shellyf7990
    @shellyf7990 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for the info. My son is done with college and meets all the rules to transfer his remaining money from the 529 plan. I cannot seem to find out how to ACTUALLY DO the transfer. I know it's new but cannot find any info about how to go about it. Any thoughts?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 місяців тому

      Hi Shelly! Contact your 529 plan provider and they should have a form ready to go for you. For example, we use Utah's 529 plan for our kids, and they have a form called "Roth IRA Rollover Request." It is a three page PDF to move the funds to the Roth IRA from the 529.

    • @shellyf7990
      @shellyf7990 5 місяців тому

      @@WealthKeel thank you! 😊

    • @MayaR-gk3oq
      @MayaR-gk3oq 3 місяці тому

      The owner of the 529 can also be the recipient of the plan. Therefore it can also be used to backfill the Roth IRA for those that maybe planned to go back to school but did not end up doing so. It is especially helpful if you are someone that started contributing to a Roth IRA later in life. It's could be looked at as an additional way to catch up on contributions. Am I adding this up correctly so far?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 3 місяці тому

      ​@@MayaR-gk3oq I am a little lost in your note. Are you saying you funded a 529 plan for yourself to go back to school and then didn't use those funds, and now the goal is to move those to your Roth IRA? Are you the owner and beneficiary?

    • @MayaR-gk3oq
      @MayaR-gk3oq 3 місяці тому

      @@WealthKeel yep

  • @danielleon5074
    @danielleon5074 5 місяців тому

    If you’re a high income earner you should own a cash balanced defined benefit plan to drastically reduce income taxes and then redivert the net tax savings produced by your pension plan into institutionally priced corporate variable life where you’ll have an unlimited tax deferred investment gain grow to create a 0% tax bucket for future tax free income distributions.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 місяців тому

      😂 You sounded legitimate until you said variable life. Take that permanent insurance non-sense to another channel. Not the place here. If you are reading this as a high-income earner, for 99.9% you will never need permeant life insurance.

    • @danielleon5074
      @danielleon5074 5 місяців тому

      @@WealthKeel You’ve got a lot to learn brother, best of luck to you.

    • @danielleon5074
      @danielleon5074 5 місяців тому

      @WealthKeel Did you get a chance to read the Forbes article on institutional life insurance and how Fortune 100 execs use this to defer their excess w2 income after they get capped out on low limit ERISA 401(k) plans to better meet their income replacement goals ?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 місяців тому

      @@danielleon5074 You mean the one written by the guy that sells life insurance for a living but paid Forbes to write an article? 🤣

    • @danielleon5074
      @danielleon5074 5 місяців тому

      @@WealthKeel you’re a professional pretender, pick up a book lol

  • @Btmaster8
    @Btmaster8 5 місяців тому

    As a general rule of thumb, at what interest rate would you prioritize paying off car debt early over investing disposable income? Thanks!

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 місяців тому

      Great question. It would vary from person to person, but I would say the moment the car loan is more than you can earn at the bank (HY Savings) or even the stock market; so call it somewhere around 4.5%+, it could be a conversation. I would say north of 8%+, I would direct at least a little extra to it each month. It depends on a lot of other factors, but that should be a fair range to consider.

    • @Btmaster8
      @Btmaster8 5 місяців тому

      @@WealthKeel Awesome, thanks! Appreciate all your content.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 місяців тому

      @@Btmaster8 Thank you! 🙏

  • @TheLucasFamily4
    @TheLucasFamily4 5 місяців тому

    I feel like the title of this video should have been "You Should Not Have a [Traditional] IRA as a High-Income Earner!" unless it was meant to be misleading. Maybe this is standard industry lingo, but it's not the way most of us are presented with information in our retirement accounts or TurboTax.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 5 місяців тому

      Fair point. Usually (industry jargon tilt too) only the Traditional IRA is called an “IRA,” while the others will get their titles before, like the Roth IRA, SEP IRA, and SIMPLE IRA. So while I do love a good click bait title, that was not the goal on this one.

  • @rajatamilarasan7250
    @rajatamilarasan7250 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for the details. Is a rollover IRA considered to be among the account's that shouldnt have a balance. I have a balance in a rollover IRA from my previous employers 401k and i also converted $6500 for 2023.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 6 місяців тому

      Yes, unfortunately, that would also be included. 👎

    • @rajatamilarasan7250
      @rajatamilarasan7250 6 місяців тому

      @WealthKeel thank you for the response. Given that we are within the tax filing deadline, do I have the option to submit for an IRA excess removal and move the funds towards 2024 ROTH IRA contributions ?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 6 місяців тому

      @@rajatamilarasan7250 You will surely want to get that fixed. Moving it to 2024 may not help you, though, unless you are able to move the Rollover IRA somewhere (like a current 401k). If not, you will be in the same predicament in 2024.

    • @rajatamilarasan7250
      @rajatamilarasan7250 6 місяців тому

      @@WealthKeel yes, I have the option to move the rollover IRA to my current employers 401k and I am working on that right now. My IRA Excess removal with moving the funds to 2024 ROTH IRA was successful however I am trying to determine if that is considered a contribution (or) conversion. The original $6500 was indeed convereted from an traditional IRA so hoping that conversion applies to 2024 as well (though the funds were moved as being an excess from 2023 to 2024)

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 6 місяців тому

      @@rajatamilarasan7250 The conversion year does not matter. The year you made the IRA contribution is the only thing that matters in terms of the BD Roth.

  • @daniellekernan2052
    @daniellekernan2052 6 місяців тому

    Pay and bonuses are similar to larger health networks in Pittsburgh at least. Very little room for bonus and base pay for a PCP is usually around 200,000.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 6 місяців тому

      Thank you for the added context!

    • @WildMidwest1
      @WildMidwest1 5 місяців тому

      That number is highly regional. You specified Pittsburgh, but other regions throughout the Midwest and nation vary widely. Other factors include +/- obstetrics, inpatient vs outpatient-only (ambulist), etc. One of the biggest physician gripes I hear about the VA is its antiquated EMR, which I last used twenty-some years ago. Nothing about it changed since then… just a huge time waster, notwithstanding the dissatisfaction my colleagues have with so-called “modern” EMRs.

  • @marcbrunet9976
    @marcbrunet9976 6 місяців тому

    Hello and Thank you very much for the very informative presentation. I am now subscribed to your channel and I hope to learn even more. I was wondering whether I could re-characterize a quantity that I’d previously ré-characterize? I mistakenly did the first in an attempt to convert a Traditional IRA into a Roth IRA. The custodian is telling me I cannot do so but however I’m not seeing any IRS guidance saying that. I see guidelines stating that reversing a conversion is prohibited but nothing stating a re-characterization isn’t reversible. I’m attempting to do this before the tax window closes. Any help greatly appreciated!

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 6 місяців тому

      Thanks for the kind words and for subscribing! I am a little lost with notes here, but I'll take a swing. If you already recharacterized out of a Roth IRA back to an IRA, then what else would you need to recharacterize? At this point, you would have a clean slate to just proceed with your original goal (which I assume was a Backdoor Roth).

    • @marcbrunet9976
      @marcbrunet9976 6 місяців тому

      Good morning. Sorry for confusion. I did recharacterize from a TRAD IRA to a ROTH IRA. I would like to ‘undo’ this by recharacterize back to TRAD IRA but trustee is refusing to do so stating IRS guidelines. It’s my understanding that as long as timing is respected, recharacterize action can be executed limitlessly.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 6 місяців тому

      Unfortunately, I don’t have a good answer. This is not a situation I have encountered in the past, so I am not exactly sure how this would play out. I would ask your custodian to send you the IRS guideline that they are referencing to add clarity.

  • @mlm6267
    @mlm6267 6 місяців тому

    Excellent, concise advice for physician 1099 workers.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 6 місяців тому

      Thanks mlm6267! 🙏

  • @fulljuggaloalbumz2691
    @fulljuggaloalbumz2691 7 місяців тому

    Keep up the good work

  • @drestes32
    @drestes32 7 місяців тому

    Is it advisable to do the backdoor roth conversion for 2023 and 2024 at the same time? I'm planning to make contributions in my wife's name to a nondeductible IRA for 2023 and 2024 now (February 2024). I can't do the backdoor Roth myself since I have a large balance in a SEP IRA. Can I make both year's contributions for her today and then convert the entire balance at once after the cash settles? Thanks!

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 7 місяців тому

      Yea, that is all good. Just make sure the IRA contributions are two separate events, aka $6,500 for 2023 and then the $7,000 for 2024. The conversion can be one event. If you are working with an accountant (or self prepare) just make sure they are aware of the BD Roth for 2023 and add the form 8606. Most importantly, great job! 👊 I don't know your situation, but you could look to move your SEP IRA over to a Solo-K and then you would also be able to start BD Roths.

  • @giveitagowithdave1970
    @giveitagowithdave1970 7 місяців тому

    When is the best month to starting the back door Roth process?

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 7 місяців тому

      We usually aim for January with the primary goal of an extra year of compounding growth. However, we have some clients who will complete it right before they file their past year's tax return. In short, "it depends," but just getting it done is a win. 🙌

  • @thegannondaynes
    @thegannondaynes 7 місяців тому

    Love the content and edits, should be getting way more views with this quality! Subscribed! I get the grind coming from a smaller channel! Would love to connect further!

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 7 місяців тому

      Thank you! Appreciate that! 👊

  • @TheSingingDoctor325
    @TheSingingDoctor325 8 місяців тому

    I'm curious to get your perspective on doing a backdoor Roth (BDR) vs taking that money to pay the taxes on a Roth conversion (assuming you have an IRA and are avoiding BDR to avoid the pro-rata mess). Here's my take: Doing the BDR you can get ~7K into a Roth/yr however, you if you convert 17.5K/yr and pay 7K out of pocket to cover the taxes (@35% Fed +5% State rate) you now have 10K more. Either way, you've paid 7K out of pocket.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 8 місяців тому

      For the BDR, you are not out $7k, you invested $7k. For the Roth conversion, you are out $7k from the taxes. While I see where you are coming from, this is more of an apples-to-oranges comparison as the IRA is forcing you to do conversions because of pro-rata rule in your example.

    • @TheSingingDoctor325
      @TheSingingDoctor325 8 місяців тому

      @@WealthKeel I appreciate your replay and the chance to test out my thinking. I'm a big fan of BDR, however, I recently left and employer and started thinking about different options for my old 403b. I've heard some people say that .when you leave an employer and have the opportunity to roll over a 403b/401k to an IRA, don't do it b/c it messes up your opportunity to do a clean BDR. . Maybe it would be more accurate to say that in each scenario, I' would have moved $7K from my checking acct to help me increase my Roth IRA balance. In the BDR scenario I've added 7K into a Roth IRA and the conversion scenario, I've added 17.5K into a Roth IRA. Am I missing something? Thanks again.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 8 місяців тому

      @PhillipSniderMusic If you are forced to do conversions, as you seem to be, sure, your Roth balance will be higher based on $17.5k vs. $7k, but no matter who you cut it, you paid $7k in taxes at a 40% rate when a BDR was $0 in taxes. This is why we favor BDR during working years, and then Roth conversions between retirement and RMDs.

  • @TheSingingDoctor325
    @TheSingingDoctor325 8 місяців тому

    Well-balanced video.

  • @san101R
    @san101R 8 місяців тому

    I deposited 6k into traditional ira and by the time I transfer to Roth it had gained interest of $12. So I left the the $12 in my traditional IRA and converted 6k to my Roth. Is there gonna be issue when I file taxes. Please help.

    • @WealthKeel
      @WealthKeel 8 місяців тому

      It is okay to convert the $12. It would be taxable, but it will keep everything cleaner. This will be more common now that there are decent rates on cash. Moral of the story, it will not be an issue as long as the $12 was the only IRA funds on 12/31. You can get that all cleaned up when you file your taxes.